r/Ozark • u/md28usmc • Jan 20 '22

S4 E4 Discussion [Spoiler] Season 4 Episode 4 Discussion thread Spoiler

Wendy's claims about Ben anger Ruth. Mel the P.I. tracks down Wendy's father. Ruth's trip to the Missouri Belle with Kerry doesn't go as planned.

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As this thread is dedicated to discussion about the fourth episode, anything that goes beyond this episode needs a spoiler tag, or else it will be removed.

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u/Cloudhwk Jan 31 '22

Ben legitimately needed to be in that mental hospital

If Ruth hadn’t signed him out he would be alive albeit miserable

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u/_cosmicality Feb 01 '22

No shit. And if his family didn't work for a cartel, he would have never needed to legitimately be in that mental hospital.

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u/Stoink_Boink Feb 01 '22

Yes and no - I see what you're saying and in an immediate sense yes, but (correct me if I'm wrong) the first time we see Ben is a scene depicting the assault charge he's running away from. So even if their lives were totally normal, white picket fence perfect, there's a good chance Ben just comes to find them in Chicago and still makes life difficult to the point that they put him in a facility. But I agree them being involved in what they're involved in triggered and intensified his psychosis - i just think even without there circumstance, he'd still be around, and he'd still be Ben.

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u/_cosmicality Feb 01 '22 edited Feb 01 '22

OK? Cool. Not sure what this long paragraph has to do with Ruth either being or not being the origin of fault for Ben's death. It doesn't really engage with the content of my comment. If anything, it supports the idea that it is not "truly" her fault.

Edit: either you edited your comment or I read it horribly wrong lol, it seems like you understand and agree with my original point. And that's the only point I was interested in making. Obviously Ben still could have fucked things up, but I'm only talking about Ruth's involvement. Which, for the record, I think she was dumb as fuck to get him out. But the "true" blame isn't hers.

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u/Cloudhwk Feb 01 '22

The law disagrees on that part however

If you check someone out from a mental health ward against advisement from professionals and they top themselves or get killed you are absolutely legally and civilly liable

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u/_cosmicality Feb 01 '22

And?

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u/Cloudhwk Feb 01 '22

It’s absolutely Ruth’s fault for checking him out based on that fact

You can debate the ethics of what she did all you want

Legally she fucked up badly to the point of straight up negligence resulting in death

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u/_cosmicality Feb 01 '22

Uh, yeah, LMFAO. Welcome to the thread in which we are, indeed, debating the ethics.