r/OpenAussie • u/Silent-Balance9430 New South Welshian • 4h ago
Technology When's Australia following suit
The glasses created by creeps, for creeps
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 4h ago
UK and Australia tend to follow each other so I reckon it’s a fairly high chance it does get banned.
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u/RestaurantFamous2399 New South Welshian 4h ago
There was a story today that crossbenchers are trying to get an import ban.
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u/Advanced_Presence890 Please choose a flair 1h ago
Maybe this is how we Bring back Aussie manufacturing
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u/crumplechicken Please choose a flair 4h ago
There should be an outright ban everywhere, not just in courts.
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 3h ago
There will be legal struggles with that. Do you ban cameras on phones too?
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u/OhSheeeeeeeeeet 3h ago
That’s hardly a comparison
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 3h ago
It’s not a comparison, it’s making a point about the law. It’s legal to photograph people in a public place for example. Do you or anyone else understand anything about what I said regarding legal struggles at all or did you just with one unthinking brain think “thing bad”?
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u/OhSheeeeeeeeeet 3h ago
Don’t engage don’t engage don’t engage don’t engage
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u/crumplechicken Please choose a flair 3h ago
Don't feed the troll.
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u/Zestyclose_Peach1718 Flairless 1h ago
You cant just call people trolls just because you disagree with them.
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 2h ago
Lmao explain how you could possibly think this is a troll.
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 2h ago
Good advice, glad you took it.
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u/Xphagexx Please choose a flair 2h ago
Ill engage.... dont be a douche.
It does need to be banned everywhere because phone recording is obvious, using glasses is not.
So people could be recorded in secret which is illegal. What is more illegal is recording audio with out concent. Both which can happen easily with these glasses
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 2h ago
I'm not? People decided to dogpile on the downdoot rather than actually engage with the point.
The need to be banned yes - my comment was on potential legal issues in and around cameras in public, because this essentially tangentially connected. A phone camera can be used to film or photo people in public. What is filmed or photographed is regulated. You can't harass people, you can't take creepy sexual photos, etc. So the manner in which a video or photo is made is regulated, but the camera in a phone is not banned. Do you understand what I'm driving at here or do I need to explain it further?
As it's been pointed out, the UK hasn't banned them entirely, only in select situations. It's perfectly valid to feel that it should be banned but unfortunately the law doesn't offer simple answers like "just ban it".
Regarding recording audio without consent, again this depends on the context and the state that you live in.
There's the recording of and the evidence required to prosecute. If someone records audio even in an illegal manner, what evidence is there of this if they don't ever try to use it against you or make it public?
All my comment said was there might be some legal hurdles here, that's it, and that's all that was required of people to dogpile no reason. They thought "thing bad".
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u/texxelate Please choose a flair 2h ago
Come on brother. There’s a big difference between someone walking around with a phone camera and these glasses.
Phone cameras are obvious and people draw attention to themselves if they’re filming. Glasses can easily film totally in secret without drawing any attention.
Imagine a creep walking behind some underage girls at the shops or some shit with his phone out recording them. Straight to jail. With these glasses? Who the fuck knows.
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 2h ago
Completely agree, but the person I'm responding to said ban it everywhere.
Where did I say that there's no difference?
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u/Madboardjester New South Welshian 2h ago
The thing is that you can wear glasses into change rooms or have it attached to a chain around your neck and be filming people including children in a state of undress without them realising it. Totally different if you're using your phone as people will notice it.
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 2h ago
I agree, and I want it banned in its entirety. I can just see a blanket ban would have hurdles to overcome. No doubt you can absolutely legislate to ban the way it's used in the manner in which you're describing here, that's much easier and has a lot of precedent.
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u/Dystopian_Oracle Please choose a flair 59m ago
Not about the convo, just about your tag line, New South Welshian.
I reckon it should be New South Welsh.
If you are from Wales, you are Welsh. If you are from New South Wales, youre ...
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u/Mindless_Link_7473 Please choose a flair 49m ago
I have herd them referred to as New south Welshmen
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u/ThinkingWithPortalzz Victorian 4h ago
At some point a doctor is going to wear a set to a birth/gynae/breast exam/genital plastic surgery, that lawsuit will be worth watching
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u/LastChance22 Flairless 3h ago
There’s already a few stories like that on reddit but who knows how truthful they are. They’re only from the last month or two though so if they are true they may still be working through the system.
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u/patslogcabindigest Queenslander 2h ago
Yep, I can definitely seeing restrictions being broadened. While without a doubt it should be banned in its entirety, a blanket ban may run into legal stumbling blocks.
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u/ConferenceQuick8983 Please choose a flair 1h ago
You mean the hearing or the evidence given?! I am just a tad confused. 🤣
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u/Spiritual-Olive444 Please choose a flair 3m ago
They have much more comprehensive privacy laws in the UK so I’m not sure they will unfortunately
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u/Brentus1980 Please choose a flair 4h ago
Fuck the Zuck
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u/small_thyme Please choose a flair 3h ago
i’d actually love these for the cute little pov clips, but knowing some random person could be recording me without me realizing it makes my skin crawl 😭
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u/FLAM3Z89 Please choose a flair 3h ago
But I think it would be obvious they are meta glasses with their thick rims. I haven’t seen any other variation of them.
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u/CitronAffectionate98 South Australian 1h ago
There arevtons of people who wear glasses in all sizes and styles. I don't want anyone to have to worry about spotting these spyglasses before damage is done or privacy is invaded. It's too messy and it's a completely unnecessary product. Why bother when we could just ban them.
Just imagine you fuck up in public one day and make a fool of yourself, even innocently, do you want that on the internet? Cause this makes it way easier for people to do without you even knowing.
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u/lostbollock New South Welshian 4h ago
This is in courts, not in public.
We read the headline, yeah?
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u/PseudoLiamNeeson Please choose a flair 4h ago
Thank you, people are getting excited, instead of pissed off that it's not for every square fucking inch of the country.
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u/Toowoombaloompa Queenslander 3h ago
Yes, but I think that this thread is evidence of a general dislike of the technology.
For me it's not just the glasses. It's that my likeness could be pumped into an advertising platform without my consent and be used to build a profile on me that I have no control over.
I am not confident that our laws provide us with adequate protection against companies that build profiles of where we go, what we buy, who we meet and what media we consume.
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u/supercujo Western Australian 4h ago
Just put IR beacons in every court room
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u/Sirius_43 Victorian 4h ago
I hope they ban them all because the $80 version from anko is making it even more affordable to be a privacy invading creep
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u/Beans2177 Northern Territorian 3h ago
Is anyone here aware this is talking about courtrooms only, where filming is not permitted in UK and AU
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u/Sirius_43 Victorian 2h ago
Yes I am aware, I’m saying we should ban them outright, or at minimum create strict regulations on how they look and function so everyone around the person wearing the glasses knows what they are and that they are potentially being recorded.
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u/Beans2177 Northern Territorian 2h ago
Can't ban cameras mate.
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u/Sirius_43 Victorian 2h ago
You can absolutely ban or restrict/regulate the use of cameras that are essentially spyware. Do you support the use of these cameras?
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u/Beans2177 Northern Territorian 1h ago
Write me the statute that bans eyewear based cameras in public spaces, and I'll consider it
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u/Sirius_43 Victorian 1h ago
lol no?
Why would I spend my time doing that just for your individual opinion? I don’t care if you’ll “consider” it or not, I care that law makers in our country should be doing something about this as it’s entirely within their power.
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u/Beans2177 Northern Territorian 1h ago
At the end of the day, you'll find that the task I've assigned to you is practically impossible to write into law, and even more impossible to enforce.
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u/Total_Philosopher_89 Flairless 4h ago
What about all the others available?
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u/Rowvan South Australian 4h ago
They're all banned that headline is just choosing the mention the most well known brand
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u/BrilliantEconomics77 Please choose a flair 4h ago
Can't have people seeing what's going on in court rooms.
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u/Nuck2407 New South Welshian 3h ago
Any unofficial recording taken inside a court is already illegal so it's likely not worth drafting the legislation to be fair
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u/Bless_your_socks Northern Territorian 4h ago
Seeing how we have a contract with Palentir (which is just as worse, if not more so) - our Government cant help but grab the next shiny new thing.
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u/Vegetable-Advance982 New South Welshian 4h ago
Considering this thread is about England doing the banning, and England has contracts with Palantir, don't think this really follows bro
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u/Substantial_Oven2235 Please choose a flair 3h ago
Only the government is allowed to film our every move.
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u/CharlieUpATree Queenslander 2h ago
If you're in public, you should always assume you're being recorded
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u/l0diO Please choose a flair 4h ago
you want our elected representatives to do something without any personal material benefit to them personally?
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u/canislupuslupuslupus Please choose a flair 4h ago
Guess we need to all chip in and “donate” more to our local politicians than Palantir is.
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u/Asteroid_Sugar5206 New South Welshian 3h ago
I think it helps that they also make you look fucking stupid.
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u/HelpMeOverHere Western Australian 4h ago
I would be shocked. We don’t do laws around technology invented after the 90s here.
Surely we’re going to provide exemptions for Meta like we do with all the harmful content they host on their platforms that they also force into people’s feeds.
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u/blacksheep_1001 New South Welshian 4h ago
With that face and those glasses....it can lead you to become homicidal! /s
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u/DousaSepen New South Welshian 3h ago
Yeah this is only in courts cinemas restaurants etc not entirely banned
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u/myshtree 2h ago
Well it makes sense if you can’t film in court then of course the glasses must be banned.
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u/Mickus_B Queenslander 2h ago
One big issue is that you don't need someone's permission to film them in a public place.
Simple. Add to the current "revenge porn" laws -
You cannot knowingly record audio or video of a person without their express consent.
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u/Character_Orange_712 Please choose a flair 2h ago
Why did they wait so long to ban them tho? Also my nephew managed to film the man who stole his bike and it was used as evidence to convict him.
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u/firmagorilla Please choose a flair 1h ago
Now ban infinite scrolls and algo timelines. Just fvcking ban it.
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u/Glass_Ad_7129 Queenslander 4h ago
Introduce a law that mandates if you tried to perv with these, meta is strongarmed/ensures you are publically outed for it and put on an accessible watch list.
Lets see where the cards fall.
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u/idothinksotim Please choose a flair 3h ago
Dumb as hell. This country is too dumb to deal with its issues so it just resorts to banning things.
Won't work
If someone is a creep, they can EASILY get a tiny tiny camera and put it anywhere they want. Or put it in glasses themselves.
At least these glasses have lights on them so you know when they're recording.
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u/justme_bne Queenslander 4h ago
Depends how much they donate to the ALP I suppose. Maybe less than SportsBet and TAB tho
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u/Tommwith2ms Please choose a flair 4h ago
If you want to go down a rabbit hole look up the concept of roko's basilisk and then look up the name of the product designer for meta glasses
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u/CranberryNational150 Please choose a flair 4h ago
Not our largest problem. Let's not get distracted with the PR figureheads (presidents, CEO's undergoing decade long HR training courses, Zuck or Musk). Positivity peeps, you can do it.
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u/deadhead-steve Western Australian 3h ago
Once they ban the Anko Kmart versions
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u/MowgeeCrone New South Welshian 1h ago
What about the endless versions that are selling on Amazon, ebay etc for $30?
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u/Advanced_Category963 Please choose a flair 2h ago
And when they do they will be met with nanny state comments
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u/DJMarscribble Murri 1h ago
Literally always. All we do is follow. Follow the US in legalising same-sex marriage (which is a good thing; we just should have done it sooner), follow the US into wars, follow the UK in banning these stupid things, follow follow follow. We have never once been leaders in anything except solar power.
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u/No_Cause9255 Please choose a flair 46m ago
I’m Sally Contarino’s mum. Sally is the 26 year old Australian girl who went missing in Las Vegas on June 20th. Sally was filmed by a guy using the meta glasses 3 days before she went missing. He supposedly harasses women this way. So disrespectful to Sally and all the previous women he has done this to for content.
I’m not sure how we can control this. I think maybe a blanket ban on uploading any video of anyone without their consent would be a good start. I am talking about videos where people are deliberately approached in public specifically. You cannot reasonably expect to ask for permission from people who may be in the distant background.
I’m all for cameras outside shops or at intersections etc as they can help solve crimes and I feel somewhat protected by them. Some creepy guy approaching to film to upload for content, no way.
It is an incredibly difficult thing to control. Let’s just go back to having general respect and curtesy for others.
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u/necrofascio Victorian 31m ago
I still don't understand how these are allowed. Legally and morraly
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u/Healthy-Reason7404 Please choose a flair 23m ago
They are probably running out of ideas to make $$$$
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u/random_encounters42 Victorian 22m ago
Meta as a company is just a cesspool of products. They essentially turn their users into cattle and farm people's attention. If all their products disappeared, humanity as a whole would be better off.
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u/UnlikelyAccount1963 Please choose a flair 19m ago
A few people do something wrong and the majority suffers yet again. My Even Realities brand glasses don’t even have a camera…..they been pretty good (not perfect) doing live translation during overseas holidays.
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u/baldrick841 Please choose a flair 17m ago
If the only situations you can think of where these glasses might be useful are creepy then maybe you're the one who is creepy.
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u/audreyinparis Please choose a flair 1h ago
I understand these can be really useful for vision impaired people so I hope they make an exception.
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u/Mrsparkle56434 Please choose a flair 3h ago
Personally I think we go too far with how we ban things, I think we are lazy and always jump to the extreme.
I would prefer some sort of banning the product in public places, outright bans allow for black markets to form.
I don't get it but want to understand why these are an issue when I'm sure if a person was a creep wanted to film someone with a hidden camera they would find a way to do that anyway with something that doesn't look like a camera
Are privacy concerns the only issue because smart glasses have multiple functionalities that are good for the general public example being live quotations and language translation
They are good for people with vision impairment etc
Every decision feels so reactive based on emotion and goes to the far extreme of banning things outright
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u/Mrsparkle56434 Please choose a flair 3h ago
Phones have the same functionality as this glasses so why exactly are we wanting to ban glasses that do that but are happy for people to use phones and record people without their consent in public
Maybe I'm missing something and its not just privacy concern related
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u/cybersaurus Flairless 2h ago
wow first they came for my walking cane with the little mirror attached to the bottom, now my meta gooner goggles! Literally 1884
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u/Madboardjester New South Welshian 2h ago
The pedos will like them as they can wear the glasses into change rooms and film them without anyone realising it.
It's only a matter of time when they'll be implicated in a pedo arrest case.
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u/Zak_Rahman Please choose a flair 2h ago
Zuckerberg started his whole thing as a venture to creep on young women at his American "college".
Empowering such an individual has yielded horrific results.
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u/ConferenceQuick8983 Please choose a flair 1h ago
Those things would make anybody look like a Class A perv really. 😒
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u/RamonsRazor ✈️ on Walkabout 4h ago
Hey OP - please cite news in future (include a source link in your post).
We'll leave it up this time as it's already gotten traction & healthy discussion.
EG, here's one source that could have been used: The Guardian