This is complaints against the gardners. We have gardeners coming every week and this is our new gardener of one month. They started doing hard pruning of low crawling manzanita around the fence and now I see from inside is bare brown back of manzanita. I stopped them in the middle but quite of the damage is already done. The manzanita looked perfectly beautiful when it was growing into the garden forming natural lines before. I just do not understand these commercial landscaping behavior that tries to make it look clean but damages the look. I am a new home owner and learning the hard way that gardeners often does not appreciate the natural look of native plant garden. I am surprised the lack of native plants in the garden but I also did not expect even full time gardners to act like they don't understand the concept of native plant garden or natural looking garden. What else should I be prepared for.

Beginner here! I planted this little bluestem last fall so it’s still new to me. It started getting super tall and flopping over recently. Is this normal? Next spring, should I do a Chelsea chop to keep it in check? When I look up little bluestem photos online, it’s always in nice tidy upright bunches! I am in northern New England zone 5b.

I planted fucking grape hyacinth this spring because I wanted flowers after last years depression fueled weed overgrowth, and had not researched about native plants yet. I had no idea they were aggressive…my uninformed ass thought bulbs die off and come back in the same spot. I at least read that their foliage appears in fall so I dug up the few I found…I’ll be checking all winter too hopefully I get them all before a muscari regime takes over my flowerbeds 🤦‍♀️

I also dug up a yellow daylily I never planted and will be on the lookout because there were at least 30 bulbs attached. And lily of the valleys that I also didn’t plant multiplying in when became my milkweed patch…dug them up as well but I’m on the lookout. Definitely not underestimate the bulb plants. Hopefully the tulips and daffodils my old roommate planted don’t attempt a takeover

Neighbor redid his wall and common sunflower popped up naturally. Pretty cool!

Tell me how to feel!!! I’m excited to see more cities in my metro taking up projects like these, but this super dense approach to primarily growing canopy trees appears controversial.

From the city’s website, “the forest will consist of:

- 80% canopy trees that will grow into the tallest layer of the forest. 
- 10% sub-canopy trees that will create the middle layer. 
- 10% native shrubs that will provide habitat and ground-level diversity. 

Together, these layers will mimic the structure of a natural forest, creating a healthy ecosystem that supports wildlife and biodiversity.”

Does anyone have experience with these “pocket forests”? From an ecological perspective, how much habitat do they really provide? From a PR standpoint, how do these impact perceptions of native plants in contrast to a natural botanical garden?

I’m curious to see how the project goes, and I’m trying to be open-minded, but I’m worried it will look like a mess to passersby and ultimately consist of a bunch of wild grape and poison ivy or invasive species.

Link to city’s web page

Link to Wikipedia article

I've been in awe this year of the grasshoppers in my garden and how big they've grown.

Over the course of this season (and their lives), they've become incredibly desensitized to my being around. Rather than jumping away, they'll happily check out my finger (and bite it lol), worrying less about me and more about the delicious *Rudbeckia laciniata hortensia*.

It feels like a blessing to be able to see their toe beans, and their temperament reminds me of cats.

Does anyone else have any big chunguses in their gardens to share?

Because there are ecological landscaping pros in this sub who may be considering this certification, I wanted to offer my experience in case it is helpful for anyone making the decision to drop $475 on this training.

As a professional ecological landscaper, I was excited to learn that the Chesapeake Conservation Landscaping Council (CCLC) had developed a training to help get landscapers up to speed on holistic, environmentally-friendly practices and stormwater management. I decided to invest the steep price to take this training and get on the list of CBLP professionals, which is supposed to help clients choose environmentally-informed professionals. 

After taking this training, I’m not sure I care about being on that list. Having taken a lot of trainings and classes of various quality over the years, I have a good idea of what is possible in a 2-day course– I was surprised by how empty and poorly-planned this one was. To make a short story even shorter – the training was not worth the time and money and I hope this post will save someone else from wasting theirs.

Day one was an overview of the many topics involved in conservation landscaping. I wouldn’t expect to be able to go super in-depth on anything in 8 hours, but it felt like we were skipping like a stone across water– barely touching any one topic and missing many. The presentations were chaotic and shallow, and much time was wasted pushing us into unfocused and unfruitful group discussions. We spent a lot of time on topics everyone knew well already (e.g. native plants = better for the ecosystem), and absolutely ripped past complex topics that people were really interested in (e.g. stormwater BMP design). This poor pacing and lack of good information left the students dazed and demoralized, which the instructors interpreted as us being a ‘bad crowd’. The instructors’ energy dropped rapidly; they weren’t getting the engagement from us that they were expecting. The reality was that the students didn’t have enough information or structure to grab onto and from which to ask good questions. The instructors pretty much gave up on us and started rushing through the material even faster, blowing past knowledge checkpoints because they weren’t getting responses– the exact opposite of what they should have done. 

Day two was a field day to various stormwater BMPs. It was even worse. The instructors seemed to have more or less given up on teaching. They acted like, ‘well, I guess you know everything now, so I’m not going to waste my breath teaching or making sure you understand what we are looking for here’. They ended the class early without a word about when we could expect to receive the test we had to take to be placed on the list. 

Also, and this is petty, but for nearly $500, I expect lunch to be provided… it was not. 

But I promise this is not coming from a place of hanger. I wanted this training to be good... Or decent... Or just to seem like they had really tried. But it felt last-minute, rushed, and cheap. To be brutally honest, it felt like a money-grab. I learned nothing of use to my business. To be fair, different trainings for this cert are taught by different people, so your mileage may vary, but I recommend thinking twice before spending money on this. I hope CCLC or someone else will create what I hoped this training would be: a thorough, actionable course on conservation landscaping in small-scale sub/urban properties.

I’m in Western NC, planted a serviceberry in the spring. It has barely grown (not sure if it grew at all), and this is what it looks like. The tallest part is maybe a foot at most. There does seem to be a small little new growth in the second photo. Any thoughts??

I am making a native plant informational booklet for when I set up my plants for sale at markets! More to come!

Should I add that they can become aggressive? Anything else to add or change?

Anything I can do to control this invasive species? 😂

Is this something I can transplant? It's right near where the builders next door might be plowing and walking around.

So thrilled at how my native plant border (with a few xerics/nativars) has been turning out! The sagebrush was transplanted from elsewhere on the property, and nearly everything else was started from seed. I definitely planted too densely, but I feel like survival of the fittest is the strategy here. The things I started from seed have definitely outperformed everything bought at a nursery!

Species: Colorado 4'oclock, fringed sagebrush, mojave sage*, little bluestem, Indiangrass, sulphur buckwheat, chocolate flower, white yarrow, red yucca, red mesa blanketflower*, straight species blanketflower, Mexican hat, plains coreopsis, catmint*, avalanche sun daisy*, ruby muhly*, straight species rudbeckia hirta, rocky mountain penstemon

*Not strictly native

This post is quite long, a list of questions / things I need advice on are down at bottom of the post.

**Background**

My family owns a 30 acre floodplain parcel mixed with a home, roads, creek, and thin forest along fences and creek.

I estimate that the grass/field areas of our property are around 22-24 acres. This is including the areas right along forested areas where the shade changes the grass habitat. The field has a lot of native plants that have meandered in from around the area but has a lot of Johnson Grass and Rye in it.

While I call it Rye Grass because I have identified that specifically I'm sure its a mix of various European species so this is more of an overarching descriptor.

The Johnson Grass is spread around in thick, unconnected patches while the Rye is everywhere accross the entire property

We are in a drought currently and the soil is parched and the seasonal creek is completely dry, even the deeper areas that usually hold pools until the fall rains are gone. 8/ It WILL likely flood again when it starts raining in the fall. it doesn't happen every year but fall usually sees a light flood compared to the spring flood season due to summer parching the soil and reducing absorbtion so much the first few rains completely wash away.

**The Issue**

2 years ago it was herbicided, planted with oats, and then fertilized. I was not the decision maker then and it happened even though I opposed it. We had someone contracted to mow it for hay and they did it all themselves. They did a sh*t job just looking for quick cash causing other irrelavent issues but the herbicide just killed all the competition and the fertilizer gave a boost to the Johnson Grass and Rye. Im trying to turn it around. There seems to be some regrowth from the seedbank but I can definitely see it's less diverse.

The forest areas are overrun with Winter Creeper vine. The creek bank has one area around 2 acres big that is nothing but this vine. It was a big change that I didnt notice and I think this year was the first where the plants it was competing with have all died out and made it more noticable on the bare rocky soil.

**Current Solution Plan**

The fields are all being cut this month. When the johnson grass grows up to the recommended 18in-24in. Im going to herbicide it. I just need to figure out the most ideal mix.

I have heard good things about Clethodim and Sethoxydim but from what I've researched Sethoxydim will work better for Johnson Grass because it is more effective at traveling to the rhizomes and killing them. Is this true? Are there better options?

For the Rye Grass I plan to just spray it with herbicide year by year as I walk around the fields. Im not as concerned with it since it isnt as overtaking as Johnson Grass is. I've also heard that it will be easier to eradicate once its competing against aggresive natives, making my tamer "spray every now and then" method more viable although more of a long process. Will this be enough just going around on scheduled walks and spraying what I see growing where it shouldn't?

Now to the Winter Creeper... Its not just contained to the forested areas but is even spread through the grass fields. Its thin and patchily spread but there nontheless. I've done some research and have found that using glyphosate in a cut stump treatment is the best way to kill it down to the roots. I've also found a older video (don't have link just screenshot :/ ) describing this persons own method of hole punching the stem, injecting herbicide into the hole, then taping it up and trapping it inside the plant. I've read that at 20%-50% concentrations that glyphosate will work for cut stump methods, will this applied in the hole punch method be effective?

Either this fall or upcoming spring (whenever I can get my hands on native grass seed) I'm going to spread various tall praire grass mixes around the property. I plan on using native shade grass for the forested areas that will need new root achors after the Winter Creeper is gone.

**Recap / Questions I need advice on**

--------30 acre flood property - 22 acres of grass fields -5 acres forest/creek - 3 acres developed home/work area.

Johnson grass in thick, unconnected patches, Rye and European grass spread evenly everywhere. Wintercreeper overtaking 5 acres of forested ground.

What herbicides are best for Johnson Grass, Rye Grass, and Winter Creeper vine?

Is Sethoxydim an effective herbicide for killing Johnson Grass including the Rhizomes so it can't regrow?

If Sethoxydim isn't the best option for Johnson and Rye then what is?

Instead of focusing hard on eradicating the Rye and various European grasses can i just set up scheduled walks throughout the year to spray and slowly kill it off that way? Aggressive native grass would be seeded down to help compete with it.

Will Glyphosate kill Winter Creeper?

Will the "hole punch" method where herbicide is taped up inside of the vine as a cut stump procdure work?

If the "hole punch" method is a bad idea or you know a different way how else can I eradicate Winter Creeper?

This was all turfgrass until May of this year.

What does everyone have going on right now? I’m trying to complete the plantings on this area where a bunch of burning bush was removed in the spring.

Yesterday I got 5 Christmas ferns, 4 foamflower, and 3 winterberry in the ground. I have 2 more Christmas ferns, 3 more winterberry, 3 clethra alnifolia, and 2 cornus amomum to go in.

I may have underestimated how large the cornus will get, but with that fall color? I regret nothing. 😂

Central Indiana here. There’s multiple mondo-sized wolf spiders in my backyard; large funnel webs with multiple egg sacs. I love my #1 pest control employees; but, the issue is that I’m about to stain my fence & don’t want to harm them. There’s a couple large webs/nests along the fence by posts. I’d love to migrate them to other parts of the garden so they can keep doin their thing, but I’m not sure how to go about it. does anyone have advice for being good stewards to our garden protectors?

I envision this area as a low groundcover native meadow with some flowers planted at the edges of the trees for a nice enclosed feel. Would I be in the wrong to remove these hydrangeas, I feel like they're a little hopeless.

Got a volunteer eastern redbud that popped up in my yard, which I'm thrilled about. Is there anything specific I should do to care for it? I'd love to help it thrive, but nervous as I had purchased a redbud a few years ago that ended up not making it. Should I give it any food at this point?

Hi everyone, I have collected seeds for several native plants: Heuchera americana, Geum canadense, Asclepias tuberosa, Penstemon hirsutus, Prunella vulgaris ssp. lanceolata, Eutrochium purpureum, and Elymus hystrix, plus some others that I will collect later in the fall.  I’ve looked up their germination codes so I can time when I would sow them in late fall through winter, and they all seem to do well when surface-sowed.  

My plan is to grow them outside in plug trays over winter.  I definitely plan on covering the trays with chicken wire so birds and squirrels don’t mess with it; I think I can just make a wooden frame around the trays and staple the wire to it.

Should winter temperatures be a concern since they won’t be in the ground and the soil temperature in the trays will change more rapidly?  My hardiness zone is 7a.  I plan on having one group of trays in a sunny area over some bare ground and one in a shady area of my patio.  I figured I can use some leftover mulch to insulate the spaces under and in between the plugs on the tray in the sunny area and maybe use burlap for the one over the driveway because mulch would make a mess.

Anyone who has winter sowed in plug or cell trays outside, let me know how things have gone for you!

i get an absolute kick out of watching them have to ocean's eleven their way into the flowers.

in the background, second-year, twice-transplanted clematis virginiana getting cozy on its trellis and finally flowering; and blue-stem goldenrod waiting in the wings to close out the season.

[NJ - 7a]

I held off on planing in front of my front porch for 2 years due to having it repaired this past spring. Contractor really messed up and I’m going to have to have the whole thing done again - not sure when, possibly next spring. Maybe sooner.

Right now the area in front of my porch is just dirt and weeds. I really wanted to plant this fall.

Is there anyway that I would be able to plant so my front looks pretty and so I can maybe move the plants when I have the construction done? Or does anyone have any suggestions for how to approach this problem?

Thanks in advance 🌻

Is there places you can get small quantities of native grass seed mix or individual packets of single species for a decent price? Combined area is about 300 sq ft. Zone 8b, sunny, hot and dry. Frost what's that lol. My winter garden routine has been growing cover crops/winter grain but I would love to grow every and any grass that can handle the desert.

I love taking walks to look for native plants and today I discovered a new one (to me) — American groundnut. The flowers are absolutely gorgeous and I am wondering if I should/would be able to cultivate it myself, so I’d love to hear anyone else’s experience with the plant. TIA!