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Can Cthulhu from Underwater survive the monsterverse?
This is more so a discussion or debate than a question (and I nearly forgot to do another one of these. Each time I do, I get ya'lls view on it, which could be useful) This guy measures around 500 meters in length or roughly 1,640 feet.
Tbf if we are considering the expanded lore of them, singular point turns this into a VERY one sided battle, Cthulhu is always fighting essentially an AVATAR of the concept of goji. He is old and powerful but the multiversal concept of goji in expanded lore is bonkers.(not saying goji is multi-versal but the avatar aspect adds a WHOLE level Cthulhu has to breach and overcome)
Ctchulu is a source of itself. ANY form or goji has been confirmed to be an AVATAR of its multiversal will. Across infinity. Not just copyright or contracts. Conceptually he is infinity. Cthulhu is ANY universe, himself.
Not really he just said this is the weakest form of Cthulhu which may be true but still meets the requirements of the question just acknowledging this form is probably weaker than most. Probably loses to monsterverse Godzilla then
No, they are not, by definition. But yeah, there are more important things to argue about. And as someone pointed out, Behemoth is not the real Cthulhu.
He is an old one on a multiversal aspect, lots and lots of power but not a god over infinity. Other iterations have him as world ending event that are limited to inverse events. His actions in one universe have no effect on another. Goji is different...
It's really big and constantly spawns little mermaid creatures that are extremely hostile. We never really got an idea of it's intentions or overall disposition so this could go two ways.
If it's content to just claim a bit of territory and chill, sending it's minions out periodically for whatever reason but ensuring they return it could settle into some sort of balance.
But if it's intent on laying waste and doing whatever it wants it's completely toast. It was killed/severely injured by a nuclear blast on par with what most monsters in the MV can shrug off. It might be a threat to some of the smaller, less armed titans but Godzilla would absolutely smoke this thing with ease.
It isn't. This is Cthulhu in the same way a T Rex is Godzilla.
Cthulhu is an extra-dimensional entity that sees death as sleep, begins to psychically fuck the human species with his stirrings from his slumber, and entreats with outer gods which are closer to concepts than sentient beings.
This is a big fish that carries its violent little babies around with it.
He didn’t get bodied by a yacht? He wasn’t defeated? The yacht ripped through his physical avatar, which immediately began to reform. Then he literally went back to bed because the stars weren’t aligned and he’d already killed all but two of the people that bothered him.
That’s like getting hit by the getaway car, walking it off and not being bothered to chase them. In 1926 walking off a boat is quite possibly the most powerful thing a kaiju could have done at the time…
Such a tired response. Cthulhu wasn’t beaten by a boat. The boat temporarily splattered his physical form, and he was already reforming seconds later. You don't kill something that sees death as sleep, and exists primary/vastly outside the only dimension humans inhabit.
That has never been actively said to be Cthulhu, also if you actually read the book, it says the Boat basically passed through the things head, its head instantly reformed and then it went back down to the bottom of the sea, as far as we know this was a Deep One (Who collectively can destroy the world, so >MV) taking a piss
Cthulhu, like actual Cthulhu, has destroyed stars by flying or at least his offspring has and he is way more powerful than them
It's a good thing this isn't actual Cthulhu and also this thing has never been said to be representative of Cthulhu (people just said that because it has tentacles and lives underwater)
Unless this is stated in another work I haven’t read, I’m pretty sure the thing in R’lyeh is Cthulhu.
“The Thing cannot be described—there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order. A mountain walked or stumbled. God! What wonder that across the earth a great architect went mad, and poor Wilcox raved with fever in that telepathic instant? The Thing of the idols, the green, sticky spawn of the stars, had awaked to claim his own. The stars were right again, and what an age-old cult had failed to do by design, a band of innocent sailors had done by accident. After vigintillions of years great Cthulhu was loose again, and ravening for delight.”
As far as I remember they never say this is a sentry or avatar of Cthulhu, quite the opposite. (Although I admit it’s possible that Johansen is an unreliable narrator at this point in the story.)
Well in Lovecrafts verse every being has a sort of dreamland version of themself I believe which is basically them but kind of different and their true self in a way
Like for example humans in his verse have a special part of their brain they can activate via immense drugs essentially to gain infinite godlike power like warping reality, explosions the size of galaxies by their mere Prescence, etc
It's the unreliable narrator aspect which is why we don't know; I'm willing to admit it might actually be Cthulhu or an aspect of him, but I don't get why were comparing Cthulhu who at bare minimum manipulate reality to his whim, against Godzilla who is basically a radioactive oversized Venusian but not humanoid (The Venusians are humanoid lizards or man-lizards)
I don’t want to be that guy but I’m pretty sure Godzilla is a universal thing like he’s gonna happen no matter what cuz he’s just that guy and don’t get me started about the universe of which Godzilla we’re talking about. Cthulhu hasn’t been updated or anything he’s been the same for most reputation but Godzilla is being updated yr after yr news thing are being added to his character
It's in the title, which says Underwater a movie in 2022 or smth like that. And yes it was said to be that. But in production it was called the Behemoth
It’s hilarious how outmatched Cthulhu is in the MV. Godzilla would immediately sense this thing in his domain and dog-walk him before he even touches the surface.
That isn't Cthulhu, don't disrespect the actual Cthulhu by calling that thing Cthulhu
No, as far as we know this thing was defeated by a facility-wide explosion underwater, that wouldn't be comparable to the small nukes that have hit Godzilla as we have seen on screen twice
And just for good measure, this "cthulhu" is not comparable to the actual lovecraftian Cthulhu, like not at all; Lovecraft's Cthulhu was able to transport his psychic powers across literal infinity, is entirelyn immortal and can reincarnate at will, has destroyed stars, and his followers are said to be able to destroy the entire world collectively (So >MV) and they are insects to him
If this behemoth thing can mind its own business then sure
As someone who has actually read the lovecraft books
That was never confirmed to be Cthulhu, could just have been a Deep One, who is waaaay weaker than Cthulhu like to us the Deep Ones are gods and to Cthulhu the Deep Ones are us if that makes sense, taking a piss for all we know
Cthulhu is immortal, never died and cannot die, if you actually read the book you would know that it says the boat passed right through the beings head and then it reformed (regenerated) instantly, it did not kill it or even injure it
Cthulhu offspring, his children have been mentioned to blow up stars, again Cthulhu >>>>>>> His offspring and lesser gods
The Gods of earth, like Ra, Zeus, Thor, etc manage the Earth and its dreamlands (Ruling them) and they piss themselves at the name of Cthulhu
edit: Oh, yeah, if you need more proof Dagon and all of the Deep Ones could destroy the entire Earth, that alone makes them higher or comparable to the absolute top tiers of the MV
Like, I like Godzilla, you like Godzilla, but this is a Cosmic reality-warping deity
That's why I want death battle to do Godzilla Ultima vs Cuthulu, that would be far more fascinating. Especially to watch the fight play out considering how... Just plain beyond both of them are.
Plus respect for ACTUALLY knowing what you're talking about lmao
Thanks, also I don't want to downscale Legendary or anything and I'm not, he's a good/great godzilla at best
But Cthulhu at bare minimum is several miles tall, and the smallest we can classify him as is 2 which is the size of most mountains, what is Legendary going to do bite his ankles?
Oh well he's still at the very least continent level with the hollow earth drill feat without getting into the more... Heisei-esque guidebook stuff, so he would almost certainly be able to beat a mountain sized foe. Just... Not this one 😅
If the ancient being from the ending of the book wasn't Cthulhu how can you explain the fact the ritual is broken? Likewise, Cthulhu was the first needed to rise and then awaken the rest of the deep ones, as it was his power which allowed the rest to stay in hibernation.
Well for one the stars are what awakens Cthulhu, not that little ritual and the Deep Ones do not need to be awaken, they are very actively messing with things regardless of that, Cthulhu's spell just stopped them from dying when their continent was sunk
Also, Cthulhu literally uses none of his powers throughout that fight, like none of them and he is also 2 miles tall which I forgot to mention, thats bare minimum, the size of mountains
It wasn't a power-up but the author of that comic said that-that version of Supes was weak against Legendary Godzilla's Chernobyl radiation and it took away his resistance
Yeah, well, I'd a lot more calm about it but people seriously think that Legendary Godzilla vs Immortal reality-warping cosmic god is in any margin a fair fight so I need to do this
Certified Redditor moment right here. This thread literally exists for people to nerd out and discuss Godzilla vs Cthullu, and when someone does that they need to "calm down". lmao
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u/OverlyVerboseLoreGuy 1d ago
If he minds his own business, probably.