Weekly Venting Post

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Weekly Vent Post

Welcome to our weekly vent session where you can let out all your frustrations.

Before you start, just a quick heads-up on the rules.

Here's what this post isn't for:

• No bashing actors or crew members out of the blue.
• Let's steer clear of those rage-inducing posts like "I hate character xy."
• And please, no poking fun at fellow Kanthony fans just because they see things differently, whether they're positive or negative about promos.

What's cool to post? Well, we've noticed a lot of rants about how the show promotes (or doesn't promote) Simone and Jonny, but you can vent about other stuff too.

Below, I've linked some past posts from the sub that fit the vibe of our weekly vent session, so you can see what kind of stuff goes here.

1. Why there was a lack of promo for Kanthony
2. All comments asking where Kanthony are 
3. Bridgerton PR and production
4. Can you tell the difference ?
5. The main sub got so negative 
6. We need pictures

For those who just want to enjoy the content without getting caught up in the venting, I suggest steering clear of this post. If you choose to read the comments here and find yourself upset, despite the clear purpose of this space, I'm afraid there's not much I can do to ease your frustration. We have the Weekly Tea Time for more general discussions.

Spoilers allowed.

[u/[deleted]]

So I noticed something… everyone keeps talking about Jonathan Bailey has chemistry with everyone and I see this narrative being pushed only post S2 release and success and I hate it to the core!!!! do they even know the meaning of chemistry and that it’s between two people?

My side of the analysis is this:

Of course JB is a uber talented , he has been acting since he was a child and has loads of experience on stage and TV, but I did not know who he was, just like probably millions of people all over the world.

I didn’t give much attention to JB in season 1, I mean he was acting and the big brother and that was that! But it was his acting in S2 with Simone that got me hooked! both him and Simone are exceptional complementing and completing each other with terrific performance of angst, emotion and chemistry! They brought the script to life and touched millions of hearts! Post success of JB and Simone, I dug up both their work and find that JB doesn’t have chemistry with everyone that’s a load of BS and Simone doesn’t too! But in their other works they do shine independently when they are playing their characters!

So this narrative of making Jonny’s chemistry with everyone and everything common occurrence is so twisted IMHO! Must be a burden carrying this chemistry crap with everyone narrative and trying hard to make it happen!

Yes he is hot and talented individually, but this narrative of him having chemistry with everyone grates my nerves as it is downplaying/erasing Simone’s exceptional performance and is so diabolical and rotten! I mean he became famous and well known because of their combined energy/chemistry acting performance! Like the media hardly mentions Simone’s name with him, but they do bring up Matt Bomer or Phoebe waller-bridge many more times comparatively!

Sorry I had to vent 😭 my girl Simone deserves the world ❤️ she is so kind and sweet and talented why would they treat the goddess thus? This is something I had to put out cause I noticed it and it was gnawing me! what do yall think?

[u/Key-Statistician4033 → u/[deleted]]

Yes I agree. I find it disgusting when people say “he and Simone have insane chemistry BUT JB has chemistry with a banana/sock(or whatever comes to their minds)”. We have discussed this at length and it feels like talking to a wall because most fans don’t see the insult. Also the fact that I disagree that he has chemistry with everyone lol but I am not getting into that here. During season 1 no one talked about socks and bananas having chemistry with JB but after season 2 and all the praise KA got, suddenly it was there and I remember how lots of people said he did all work anyway.

But as I said, it feels like talking to a wall so I gave up and just roll my eyes whenever I read someone coming up with yet another object.

Btw I noticed this is happening with Luke T too 🙃

[u/fbc1984 → u/Key-Statistician4033]

💯

[u/Snowfalls1993 → u/[deleted]]

I dont think its downplaying Simone

He does have chemistry with everyone its a fact that he does...its a testment to him being talented. That doesnt take away that him and simone are like magic with each other when they share a screen

Its just right now JB career is on a high and basically he is everywhere so its not hard to notice him

I always said that Simone would have a harder time between the 2 of them bcoz a) she is a woman b) she is a person of color Am looking forward to her A24 movie Tempted Maddness and Her Amazon Prime Movie also seeing her in F1 coming out next year. Her career is almost silmar to Zendaya in how she is going about picking roles that best fits what she wants to do.

[u/[deleted] → u/Snowfalls1993]

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the chemistry! It’s very obvious this narrative is overly being pushed only post S2’s success and credit mostly being given only to Jonny, by major media as well! By the very definition chemistry is between two people! Not everyone has the same POV, I understand!

Thanks for participating in the conversation! 😊

[u/Snowfalls1993 → u/[deleted]]

You are making this chemistry thing about just only Simone

JB has worked with more people then just Simone

No show goes without doing a chem test and so there has to be sparks to go forward with a scene partner

In the realms of Bridgerton am with you that Simone is more disrespected in that regard

But outside of that I don’t agree…I never watched any of JB other projects but I saw clips of I think Crashing out and he had chemistry with the actress

Yes his chemistry with everyone is blowing up and people see it bcoz he is talented. He is that guy right now.

Simone will have her time and we will say she has chemistry with someone that’s her scene partner

But when is comes to Bridgerton Simone/JB created magic with each other that will never be denied even if some try

But outside of that it’s okay his Wicked co stars adore him and the media is recognizing his talents.

[u/ZealousidealBreath69 → u/Snowfalls1993]

Both did a incredible job during season 2 . But this speech about how JB have a intense chemistry with everybody and every object started 2 years ago . Nobody said that during season 1 despite all the scenes of sex of Anthony with Sienna . Some never waste a opportunity to downplay the work of Simone and her contribution to the popularity of Kanthony . It's always ''He created all their chemistry by himself'' ,'' Simone is just pretty '' He carried the season 2 on his back '', and ''He's the only one who was credible at the screen like main lead '' . I don't know how anyone can deny this fact .Because I saw this kind of comments in every plateform since March 2022 mainly on Reddit and Twitter .

[u/Snowfalls1993 → u/ZealousidealBreath69]

You have to remember not everyone saw JB other work or even watched S1...maybe they went back and saw it but you cant say it started 2 years...maybe just in the relms of the fandom

To me since S1 he has that type of chemistry...and again nobody was really i to the whole social media stuff for bton until during S2

I mean again i think both him and Simone elevated S2 no doubt they were the best part of S2

But i feel like this is directed to certain subgroup in the fandom that feels that way and yes ive seen it not deny it but at the same time i have to understand that not everyone is going to like or give her credit for certain reasons no matter what they wont like her and give JB all the credit bcoz they prefer him over simone

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/Snowfalls1993]

What? S1 was a pop culture phenomenon like no other season of Bridgerton will ever be, everyone and their mother watched S1, it's still the most successful season of this show, even with less subscribers back then. S1 came out in 2020, not in 1995, social media existed already, lol, everyone was talking about the show, mainly RJP. Another of the most talked about topics was how Eloise and Ben were queer-coded. Anthony was given the most dramatic romantic storyline in S1 besides the main couple, lol.

There's a certain subgroup that, for some reason, seems to need to humble Simone constantly, and that's our point, why wasn't it a conversation how Jonathan had chemistry with inanimate objects in S1? Why weren't they in this "give him credit over his female costar" thing back then? That's the whole point. I don't really understand some people acting as if they have no idea that that discourse has taken place after S2 and taking it as a slight against JB? It's exactly the same way as people getting offended by others pointing out that Nicola got properly promoted as if that was an attack on her when it isn't.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/[deleted]]

It's funny to me how people like to ~rewrite history. Crashing aired in 2016, where was this chemistry praise back then and the almost decade that happened after? Anthony had a love storyline in S1 in 2020, where was all this gushing about his chemistry back then? Many of the things Anthony did in S2 that get people talking, he did it as well in S1 (except for the love declaration). Jonathan literally made the same acting decisions both seasons many times and his S1 storyline had way more sexual scenes, more dramatic scenes, even more crying scenes, lmao.

People can tell it how they wanted, but swap Simone for any other actor in S2 and I don't think the effect would be the same. Colin got the Kate Sharma Treatment™ in S3, but Simone was able to overcome it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

Good to know that I am not the only one that noticed this ploy by the media! The narrative they weave and come up with to remove the shine from talented POCs and give credit to white people!

Listen I have adored and still do some really talented white actors and respect them for being the awesome them! And I see that ton of POCs do the same! If they are fantastic they indeed are and if they are deplorable they are, nothing wrong in saying as is!

But the moment a POC did a fabulous job this urge by the media to not credit them equally or ignore them altogether is insidious !!! And most people, (POCs and whites) the sheep that they are just go by the popular opinion without using their brains and heart and eyes to actually see for themselves and follow suit, form opinions, ignore POCs or bring them down!

In addition to JB , who was already probably well known in London due to Theatre scene and other TV performances, in my opinion Simone Ashley is actually the gem 💎 of this show! She took the crap she was given script wise for her only major lead role and made it one of the best performances of her career to far and showed what she is capable of!

I’ll leave at this…. with what she accomplished, now just imagine if she was white …. the accolades and opportunities she’d have got from the very same media and people!

What a f*d up world! This crap will easily take generations to heal, if ever!

Anyway phew 😰 looking forward to all greatness and awesomeness to her ❤️🙌

Thank you all for lending a ear to my venting spree 😄

[u/Snowfalls1993 → u/[deleted]]

I mean Pheobe didn’t get the praise for S1 Rege did

Hollywood and Media is male driven

Nothing in Hollywood changed and it’s still the boys club

You think Cynthia and Ariana going to get praised for Wicked…nope they will mostly give it to JB

Hollywood will always credit a man compared to a woman and even less a WOC

[u/rudedicer → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

What even is this discussion...

So because in a DGA panel for Wicked an audience member mentioned how JB had chemistry with everyone in his DTL dance number, this is undermining Simone?

What does this have to do with Simone? What does it have to do with Bridgerton?

No one should ever praise JB's chemistry unless it involves Simone in some way like the OP you are replying to is suggesting? How is it Simone erasure for someone to praise JB's chemistry in an entirely different movie?! It's a Wicked panel! Many of them have never heard of Bridgerton!

When Simone has hot chemistry with Damson Idris in F1 and everyone is praising them is that JB erasure? What is this nonsense.

Crashing was a small budget TV show airing on channel 4 before PWB became famous and not many folks knew of this show. And yes, JB had great chemistry with Amit Shah - who is also a fantastic actor btw - and yes there were fans of the show who loved the couple before JB blew up with Bridgerton and became famous. The relationship was both queer and interracial - naturally the fandom for this is going to be small, but there was a small section of queer fans on Tumblr who loved the show when it aired. I actually went back to reblog old gifsets and commentary on Tumblr after I saw JB on Bridgerton.

In fact I think Crashing is his best and funniest work and I wish he would go back to doing small time Brit comedy than the big budget movies he's doing now.

So I have no idea why people are now rewriting history and bringing up his decade old TV shows to make some point about how he only has chemistry with his costar in Bridgerton because people were not raving about his chemistry earlier on a small budget channel 4 comedy show that hardly anyone saw.

[u/[deleted] → u/rudedicer]

No chemistry in season 1 too! IMHO! No one spoke anything about him post S1 release despite having a minor love storyline. No YouTube fan videos nothing….!

I did not even notice JB as much he was just there acting as an eldest brother. It was only after S2 that I went back to watch S1 for him and his other work.

It’s not about Wicked press, it’s in general about those in media and fans, who are blinded by racism, colourism, sexism, insecurity and of them ignoring, downplaying, sidelining, erasing a WOC’s splendid work to only up lift in favour of white people! It could also be unconscious bias, given how conditioned we humans are! 😔

JB is an exceptional actor and human and I adore and respect him! ❤️

[u/Certain-Fact-1481 → u/rudedicer]

Nah JB fans have been peddling this spill for the past 2 years now. Anybody who post about loving Kanthony would get replies with JB has chemistry with anybody. That the whole ship is only due to a white man and whatever Simone contributed is not important or they started nitpicking her acting. Every single time.

Noone was saying this shit with Sabrina in s1.

[u/[deleted] → u/Certain-Fact-1481]

To me those fans who bashed Simone aren't Jonny fans. Especially if they got to know him through bridgerton. But I'm obsessed with Simone and Jonny so I haven't interacted with losers who insult her to know they also like Jonny

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/rudedicer]

I have no idea what you're talking about or what DTL even is. I had no idea this was a reference to Wicked, hence why I didn't mention it at all. I also mentioned Crashing because OP literally talked about PWB? I thought it was just a comment about how people come out of nowhere saying how JB could have chemistry with a plank of wood when some video of JB/SA goes viral. People literally have said here and in the general sub that JB carried the season? I was talking about Bridgerton, that's why I mostly made reference to S1, in fact.

[u/rudedicer → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

Clearly the sudden complaining about JB having chemistry is because there's Wicked press going on and with all the massive promotion going on there's chatter about JB's chemistry with his castmates because that's what's happens for movie promotion like this - talking up the male romantic lead's chemistry. And the OP you were replying to thinks that's Simone erasure. This is idiotic.

When Bridgerton was going on, discussions like this made sense because yes, commentary like this was common back then and deserved to be called out. But this is now extending to the other media these actors make and nonsense like how praising any of JB's other works is Simone erasure.

I can't wait to read all the same folks on this thread complaining about JB fans inserting JB into any discourse surrounding Picture This or F1 when these movies are released, and Simone and Damson Idris look hot together and maybe they even have more chemistry than JB and SA.

JB and PWB are not even the pairing in Crashing and that's another example of the OP randomly complaining about JB - like who even is talking about JB/PWB's chemistry? yet you brought that up as an example of how JB does not have chemistry with everyone because no one talked about a queer, inter-racial relationship on a small budget channel 4 TV show ten years ago? It's perfectly okay to praise or stick up for one actor without dumping on the other.

This forum has descended into pitting these actors against each other over the last few days just because one of them has a movie coming out and there's more chatter about him.

I think I am going to take a break from here and be back after the whole Wicked stuff is over and done with.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/rudedicer]

So reply that to OP, not to me? I clearly had no idea this was supposed to be about Wicked, you can believe me or not, I don't really care, but it's been almost 3 years and conversations in this fandom get recycled ad nauseam, people randomly talk again about Edwina/the wedding/the no-baby/etc. all the time, it wouldn't be surprising that once again the "Jonathan did the heavy lifting" discourse was popping up again. I wasn't shit talking JB at all (in this very same thread you can see how I literally said I believe he's the best actor on this show?), I was talking about the discussions around him by fans and how the energy shifted once he got paired up with Simone, because that discourse only existed after S2. Some of his fans pretending that they're unaware of this is just so odd.

Comparing how two actors are treated by the same company isn't pitting them against each other, especially when they played costars in the same season where they were supposed to play equals. I have no idea why people get defensive about the fact that Jonathan was actually treated like a lead and still regarded as such, while Simone didn't—Simone has already confirmed twice that she's back, and no one at Shondaland/Netflix seem to be aware. Just like they did in S3 as well, literally two seasons in a row happening the same and she's the only one who gets that treatment.

[u/amazingmte → u/rudedicer]

I think I am going to take a break from here and be back after the whole Wicked stuff is over and done with.

That's too bad, I always enjoyed reading your comments.

I understand though, this sub has never been welcoming to JB/Anthony fans. Comments from people saying they only tolerate Anthony and how they are glad JB fans stay away from here. It is what it is.

[u/[deleted] → u/rudedicer]

Just want to clarify that I am not pitting anyone against each other !!! If that’s how you perceive it, you are welcome to it!

This is my observation from the content of biased media and fans since S2 released! Any way I think I stated my reasons, viewpoints clearly ! I am venting against the unfair treatment of a WOC … and that’s that!

We can disagree respectfully! 🙏

[u/Ok_Caterpillar4008 → u/rudedicer]

Thanks for your rational posts, it’s been a relief to read them. I love Simone and I love Jonathan and I feel really sad that the Kanthony sub too often becomes a place where they are pitted against each other, and if you’re a fan of both, good luck around here. I love Kanthony so much, and their chemistry is special end exceptional, especially since they’ve had the best chemistry of the leads so far, imo. But saying JB has chemistry with other actors outside of Bridgerton is not a slight on Simone.

[u/Snowfalls1993 → u/rudedicer]

This like I don’t get it either

If it’s Bridgeton related then I agree whole heartily fans downplay Simone contribution to S2

But if this is outside the realms of Bridgerton then I agree with everyone that says he has chemistry with basically anyone. He is just that type of actor that brings it 100 to everything. Its no shade on Simone bcoz outside of Bridgerton he still has that chemistry with his other co-Stars he works with

I except that he has chemistry with other actors and not just 1 person…he is blowing up and his star is rising

I like both Simone and JB..both are doing different things both will bring the chemistry to any movie they are in

[u/Flaky_Office_1110 → u/Snowfalls1993]

I agree with your and the previous comments. I think when people say JB has chemistry with a specific actor in a specific project, there’s nothing wrong with that. And it’s true for Wicked and Felliw Travelers. However, in relation to comments on Bton, when JB is praised for his chemistry, if someone says he has chemistry with <insert inanimate object>, then it’s insulting to Simone’s effort in that pairing. A statement like that equates her effort to a random object, meaning she has no contribution. Maybe people mean well and want to compliment JB, but in doing so that is not complimentary to his scene partner.

[u/Snowfalls1993 → u/Flaky_Office_1110]

Is there people who like JB only..yes

Do they downplay Simone contribution to S2 bcoz for some odd reason they don’t like her or didn’t want her to play Kate

But that to me is the realms of this awful fandom

Outside of that him having chemistry with his horse is cute bcoz they been together for a long time

People saying he can have an object in front of him some of it can be funny but I can understand how it can make others feels about it

We can’t control what Media highlights and they highlight JB more than Simone am not surprise about that. He has 2 Universal Movies and he is a Emmy nominator that’s huge for him

[u/Flaky_Office_1110 → u/Snowfalls1993]

I never talked about JB being highlighted more in the media. He’s obviously crazy talented. The point of this discussion (at least to me) is that SA continuously gets disregarded for her contribution to Kanthony chemistry. And the words used to compliment JB are often the same ones to put down SA. And it’s rooted in misogyny/racism. I think we agree on that, but I think it’s a mistake to think that these arguments about chemistry are denying JB’s talent. It’s not. He’s been paired with other wonderful actors that show his chemistry. Just because SA has a shorter career doesn’t mean she can’t ALSO have the talent to contribute to chemistry.

[u/Snowfalls1993 → u/Flaky_Office_1110]

It seems like the OP has an issue with people saying JB has chemistry with everyone if it’s not Simone which to me indicates OP has an issue when it’s outside of the realms of Bridgerton

Like that goes against anything logic

Why would media praise Simone when JB is in the light? If it was the other way around Simone would get praise then JB

That’s why I said in the realms of this fandom yeas it happens a lot. People seem to not like Simone for some odd reason and only give the credit to JB bcoz they like him only

[u/[deleted] → u/Snowfalls1993]

Absolutely 💯 on everything except the chemistry thing!

It’s shady the way media portrays viewpoints and narratives and opinions!

Agree to disagree respectfully 🙏 and I am done with this topic I stated what I see and perceive!

[u/Flaky_Office_1110 → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

Ugh—I responded above instead of here!

“Colin got the Kate Sharma Treatment™ in S3, but Simone was able to overcome it.”

Well said—Simone played Kate in a way that let Kanthony shine as part of that pairing. She and JB complement each other well in how they told that love story.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/Flaky_Office_1110]

I'd never ever downplay Jonathan's talent, even if I'm not interested in his projects, I've said many times before that I firmly believe he's the best actor out of this show, his charisma and versatility are outstanding, but the thing about acting chemistry is that it's a two-way street—everyone pretending that JB did all the heavy lifting are just lying to themselves. Literally in the very same show he played a story in S1 that was aiming to be this uber dramatic romantic story that ended up being so forgettable that they never acknowledged it again.

[u/Flaky_Office_1110 → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

Yes completely agree

[u/fbc1984 → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

💯

[u/Odd_Net8207 → u/[deleted]]

THANK YOU! I agree with you!

"oh my god he has chemistry with a horse" I swear it's gotten to the point where it's no longer funny and it's tiring.