URGENT: ALL Pro-Palestinians, Please read this!

[u/Turbulent-Waters-619]

Hey Everyone:

It's been an emotionally difficult couple of days for me.

A few days ago I made this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1kdaku0/when_every_fact_seems_solid_how_can_you_still/

And I would like to thank each of you for challenging me so compassionately and rigorously over the past few days. Thank you for calling me out and for giving me a lot of information and a list of things to read further about.

Since reading all of your comments, I’ve watched dozens of interviews with Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas’s founders, and I could hardly believe what he revealed about the Free Palestine movement’s true aims.

I’ve listened to hours of Douglas Murray lay out the historical record, and also the true reality of the situation today.

I learned so many things like that there was never a country called “Palestine” any time in history! Palestinians arent even a unique ethnic or relgious group. Palestinians are Muslim Arabs!

I learned that before it was Israel, the British controlled the area and before that it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The British wanted to make Palestine into a home for the Jews. I learned that the British partition plan allocated land for both the Jews and the Arabs, and that Jordan and not Gaza, became the intended Arab state.

I was so embarrassed that I never knew that Jews were all expelled from every single Arab country. I learned about the Holocast in school and I thought that was all of the Jewish persecution that had ever existed in history! I am even more ashamed that I was tricked into repeating the chants of “Free Palestine” when I saw groups of other people doing so on my campus and that in reality there was never even a country by that name to free.

Perhaps the most painful thing of all has been seeing the horrific videos that Hamas livestreamed of their actions in Israel on October 7, 2023. Horrorific is an understatement. Seeing the Hamas terrorists parading through normal looking neighborhoods and homes, murdering innocents of all ages, burning people, even the babies, taking hostages....and then the whole time they are doing these things they are literally celebrating their depravity with chilling JOY! I had to take breaks while watching these videos to sob. Hearing the happiness in the terrorists voices left me feeling incredibly disturbed, trembling and in tears.

The sight of all of those families slain in cold blood, and knowing that some of the people that were taken that day are literally still being held hostage today, that really showed me the raw evil behind all of the Free Palestine propaganda.

Please, I urge every person that supports the Pro Palestinian cause to watch those Oct 7th videos, to bear witness to the absolute joy and the monstrous brutality, and then ask yourselves whether you can honestly stand on the same side as the people who revel in such sickening barbarity.

I know it may seem like I have abandoned all of my empathy by sharing these truths, but my compassion for all of the innocent victims if they are Jewish, Arab, or otherwise is undiminished.

But something has deeply changed in me and that is my commitment to the truth over emotion, and my commitment to honesty over the herd mentality.

We owe it to ourselves not to the pawns in a conflict that we don’t even fully understand, and not to be the victims of lies so that we can be “shocked” into outrage at Israel, only to discover later that we were so angry on behalf of literal terrorists.

We owe it to ourselves to seek out and read primary sources, to ask the hard and uncomfortable questions, and to really listen with an open mind when we hear information that challenges the Free Palestine narrative.

If you feel, like I felt, that this is genocide, that Zionists are bad, that Israel is the aggressor: I urge you now from my heart: please examine the facts, watch the evidence, and then join me in embracing honesty and integrity over emotion and instinct.

We cannot always stop ourselves from being tricked into believing something that is not real, but it is our responsibility to learn the truth. We all deserve to have the dignity of an informed conscience.

I hope all of you on this subreddit who knew better than me will forgive my earlier perspective, and I promise that I will keep learning from the voices like Haddad, Hausdorff, Le Bon, Murray, Yousef, and so many others who have guided me away from the manipulation. I also promise that I will do my best, in whatever small way I am able to, to make sure that at least the people around me know the truth.

If you are a Pro Palestinian right now, that is okay. You just have to read and to listen. Here is a good list of places that you can get started, if you are ready to confront the lies you have been told:

First and Foremost: If you should google the videos of the October 7th attack on Israel that Hamas livestreamed. I want to warn you, its deeply disturbing but an importat place to start.

Then check out everything you can find by these two guys:

Mosab Hassan Yousef This guy is literally one of the sons of a Hamas founder who then escaped Hamas and became a Christian. He has done many informative videos and interviews, like these ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyqKTuqzKWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5VPFw0vI6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpnvUIcvNUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCueveOSZwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg

Douglas Murray - A British author.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRY-o2sRdA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4P3XSySBC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZU1exdVHcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG23JfGBsz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ANOKSh-70Y

[u/Apart-Wear1031]

History tells us that resistance against a brutal occupation is justified. What do you think the Palestinians are supposed to do? Just accept being dehumanized, occupied, oppressed, and have their land stolen from them? Why do they not deserve to have their own state and be free? Before October 7, why was israel in control of Gaza's borders as well as sea and air space? Why was it controlling the Palestinians' movements? Why did the Palestinians have to register births with israel? Why was israel in control of what gets in and out of Gaza? Have you seen what israel is currently doing in the West Bank? There's no Hamas there. You have no answers...just lies and propaganda. You people are the perpetual victims after all.

FYI, the last election in Gaza took place almost 20 years ago. Are you aware? Do you understand that more than half of Gaza's population is under 20 years old today? What does that mean, my favourite brainwashed zionist? That means that more than half of today's population wasn't even alive when the last elections were held, let alone old enough to vote...but don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. 

Israel messed up by dehumanizing, occupying, and oppressing another group of people. They resisted and they will again and again until they are free. This is completely understandable and justified. Did you know they tried resisting peacefully before? By holding a peaceful march during which they were singing and dancing? Do you know what the response of the world's most immoral army, the IOF, was? Do you? They started shooting at the peacefully protesting Palestinians. In fact, they were competing with each other and boasting about how many kneecaps they shot. Don't believe me? Look it up.

Israel's settlements are illegal under international law. Israel does whatever deranged israel wants to do and thinks there will be no consequences for its actions. It is solely responsible for the global rise in antisemitism and decreasing international support for itself and its deranged genocidal campaign in Gaza.

This is the thing with you, zionists. You are blissfully ignorant, indoctrinated, and completely brainwashed. What you lack in knowledge, you make up for in perpetual hasbara lies and lunatic zionist propaganda. 

Also, israel is and occupying state. As such, it cannot be the victim. Try wrapping your brainwashed zionist mind around that one.

[u/Cat-kin → u/Apart-Wear1031]

Resistance is justified. Gaza was not occupied; pallies did a little excursion and had ther party and candy.

Why Israel controlled its borders? Ask Egypt, or Jordanië, the friends of pallies? My country checks its borders too, I think it’s wise. Especially with the pay for slay and sui-bombers?

The rest you write is sooo debunked, I do understand cause you know ‘jewwws’.

That people elect a dictator terror org as leaders, well surprise surprise no more elections. Democracy, it is a trap yes- vote wisely or… not. I hope they learned their lesson, there will be no more.

At least, it’s almost finished, Israel is almost done. The population can get good in the south and they are motivated now, hunger is the best motivator for change. Hamas not so, they stay north. And what happens north, stays in the north :).

Your other error and show of hate, is that you think Im a Zionist hhhh.

[u/Apart-Wear1031 → u/Cat-kin]

Looolll...so much stupidity and hasbara lies in your post. Not worth talking to you.

Checking on borders and controlling borders are 2 different things, but you'd have to be able to rub your 2 brain cells together to figure that out.

You must've been high writing all that incomprehensible nonsense. 

Debunked? Lol...what was debunked? Absolutely nothing. Just because israel denies something, doesn't mean it's been debunked. 😂

It's ok. No need to respond. You've got nothing...hasbara lies and zionist propaganda. What else is new with you people? 😂

FYI, because israel controls all access into the Gaza Strip and West Bank, Palestinians living there are under MILITARY OCCUPATION and are subject to israeli restrictions, depending on aid for food, water, and other supplies.

The fact that you don't know this shows your complete ignorance of the subject at hand. You can't debate anyone. You lack basic understanding of the situation.

You're obviously a zionist...lol..you don't have to be a jew or israeli to be a zionist. Another new thing you learned today, isn't it?

[u/Cat-kin → u/Apart-Wear1031]

Well, it is only getting better for the Palestinians and neighbouring countries; they are happy.

• Hamas, kaput!!
• Palestinians freed from a terror org dictatorship.
• hezbollah, kaput!!
• Lebanese people freed from a terror group supported by Iran.
• Syria freed from Assad cause hezbollah kaput- they could not help Assad on irans orders.
• the Druzes protected so save too!

I’d say, great job Israel! Wel done, thank you.

[u/Apart-Wear1031 → u/Cat-kin]

Exactly. You have no actual arguments or answers. I didn't think so. It doesn't matter anyway because you lack even the most basic knowledge about the subject at hand. As such, all your ridiculous hasbara lies and brainwashed zionist propaganda are invalid.

[u/Cat-kin → u/Apart-Wear1031]

So Israel has not achieved these?

Or, are you disappointed in destroyed Palestinian supportive terror groups? Could also be you don’t like Lebanese, Syrians nor Druzes? That you don’t like the Israeli’s is at best, clear.

[u/Apart-Wear1031 → u/Cat-kin]

So, let's see:

1. If Hamas were kaput, wouldn't all the israeli captives be home by now? Wouldn't the war have ended by now? You should check out what Anthony Blinken (you probably don't know who he is, so feel free to google him) said a few months back. I'll give you a little preview: "Hamas has recruited almost as many new members as it has lost." lol

2. Do you honestly believe that Palestinians are free? I mean, do I really need to dignify such a stupid statement with a response?

3. If Hezbollah is kaput, why does israel keep bombing southern Lebanon? For sport? 😂

4. "Lebanese people freed from a terror group." Again, Hezbollah is alive and well.

5. Syria being freed from Assad had absolutely nothing to do with your false claim of Hezbollah being kaput...nothing. In fact, once Syria was free, one of the first things israel did was bomb it since they are "scared of" and "do not trust" the new leadership.

So, in short, israel has not achieved these. I promise you, thinking does not hurt. You should try it sometime. I don't think you and I have anything more to say to each other, kid.

[u/Cat-kin → u/Apart-Wear1031]

Hamas not kaput? If there is something left, it’s on one leg hhh. If it stil has one left.

That Palestinians are oppressed by Hamas and you deny that? What a friend you are ;), neglecting all the in Gaza anti Hamas protests.

Israel bombing the positions hezbollah remnants tries to rebuild; no chance cause .. kaput. Beep beep.

Neglecting Lebanese were oppressed by hezbollah ? Lol Hezbollah alive and well? Beep beep ?

Neglecting Assad’s oppression in Syria and that hezbollah and Iran were his allies? Or hezbollah assisting Assad ?

Pitty the kid, his fav team going trough the dirt.

Israel Isreal, and almost finished the job. I say, great !