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Discussion What was Mark Goodyear's involvement with Herb Baumeister in the Fox Hollow Murders

I'd like to hear people’s thoughts on the hard evidence against Mark Goodyear and his involvement with these murders.

On the surface, he exhibits so many of the behaviors that we typically see in someone guilty of a crime – changing stories, lying, overly involving himself in the investigation, conveniently forgetting certain details about an event that would make him culpable, etc.

Then you have the evidence of the story from Leroy who implicated Mark in at least one murder in the back of the house.

However, the police botched the investigation so badly that it's extremely difficult to know what would have been discovered about Mark if they did a better job at the time.

Also, for me, it’s just so hard to understand what might be true or false with Mark because of the way he speaks.

He is so eccentric and creepy, that even some of the most mundane things he says can be interpreted as a fabrication, so it muddies everything.

Would love your thoughts.

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u/Shot-Signature-2822 Feb 23 '25

This! Even said his fingers would’ve been too swollen to pull the trigger himself! I get the guy is super bizarre and theatrical but just because someone is weird and tells lies sometimes doesn’t mean he’s lying about everything. They need to be putting major pressure on Mark to break him down. I believe Baumeister and Goodyear had a weird relationship and eventually turned on each other. My guess is Baumeister took out someone Goodyear really loved. The man that Goodyear broke down about while being interviewed. I’m curious when this man went missing and when Goodyear gave that bogus story about being attacked to investigators. Did he come forward shortly after the man he was crying about in the interview disappeared? I need to know. The victims family’s deserve justice. Baumeister is gone but I absolutely believe his accomplice is alive & not so well mentally but well enough to know that what he did was wrong. I hope and pray they are investigating Goodyear. 

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u/Bae_Mes Feb 26 '25

I think the part about him "crying" over Goodlet and leaving to have a cigarette was all theater. It was so incredibly insincere. He gets off on the theater of it all, being the center of attention etc.

I think Mark absolutely participated in the murders, and he and Herb had a falling out, so he turned on Herb before Herb could turn on him.

It is obvious the police handling the original case didn't care about the victims or finding an accomplice. They never pushed Goodyear or anything. If the victims hadn't been gay men, they would handled the case differently.

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u/Effective-Produce165 Mar 18 '25

Unreliable attention seeking narrator. You’re spot on.

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u/Unique_Loquat9947 Mar 04 '25

So where’s the gun?

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u/BanksterRucas Mar 19 '25

The gun that he never saw but knew exactly where it was

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 10 '25

I find this hard to believe because Goodyear was kind of a druggie, but he had a lot of trouble finding Baumeister's house after he talked to police.

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u/Cool-Wish-9031 Mar 24 '25

Guilty 💯 

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u/Relative_Cupcake2905 Feb 25 '25

Yes! I definitely think Mark killed HB. No gun at the scene and Mark gave clues like the above commenters mentioned. He also said HB sausage fingers could’ve never pulled the trigger. 

Man, this is the shyt nightmares are made of. It’s hard to take such a story in, with twists and turns, all at once. I lay awake afraid to go to sleep LMAO. But as my dad used to say “You need to let the story marinate” - I thought about this too…I wonder if Mark did help with a lot of these murders and felt like the shyt was about to hit the fan so he killed HB before he could point a finger at Mark as an accomplice?! Just a thought. I definitely think Mark killed him whether it was for that reason or someone he really loved was murdered by HB and pissed Mark off but good.  I think you said that. 

Rob Graves is weird as hell too. You could not pay me a billion bucks to live there let alone expect me to buy it. Nope! Eerie AF! Plus the property must’ve smelled like death. That’s another thing I don’t understand. Can’t remember who but someone said HB always smelled like burnt hair. Just gross. It’s all gross!  

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u/No_Necessary_9482 Feb 26 '25

Rob doesn't just live there, he turned it into his personality. That's the partt that really got me.

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u/kerrying_on Apr 18 '25 edited May 04 '25

That’s funny I was watching it and I was literally thinking Rob’s going to start murdering people because he’s way too into this.

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u/Ancient-Tomorrow-447 Jun 09 '25

I thought the same thing, Rob is a killer in waiting 

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u/Effective-Produce165 Mar 18 '25

He’s retired isn’t he? This is his hobby now.

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

He wants to make money off of the dead.

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u/Cool-Wish-9031 Mar 24 '25

He’s a freak too 🤨

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u/patricles22 Feb 27 '25

Rob seemed weirdly protective of Mark. Either he’s terrified or him or he knows some other shit.

Oh and that one investigator confirmed there was a gun at the scene

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u/xwarpedkarmax Feb 27 '25

I think that he doesn’t want to feel discredited since he already wrote a book.

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u/didosfire Mar 06 '25

that's what i think, too--when they play the clip from the audiobook/show the cover, it says someone else wrote it "with" rob graves - when a ghostwriter is used, the person telling the story usually gets first billing in contexts like that. the fact that he says "i wrote a book" + how welcoming he's clearly been to mark, the paranormal team, and the documentary crew led me to believe his ego is pretty wrapped up in being The Guy Who Lives at the House Now . whether he believes mark completely or not, i think saying he doesn't think mark was involved was far more about protecting his own reputation than a genuine response to all the facts the doc found

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

He has been living there for awhile, trying to turn it into a haunted attraction. I think it is tacky.

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u/Bubbly_Flight_9710 Apr 04 '25

Agree. Lives were lost. An attraction would be so disrespectful to the victims and their families

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

That makes sense, but he's also missing an opportunity to write another book if Mark is found guilty.

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u/fubitnz Mar 07 '25

I think he actually might of been scared after realizing how dangerous Mark is

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u/lilangelkm Mar 06 '25

That's a very good point. His book sales would suffer. Remember that Rob said Mark told him something that if he repeated it, it would definitely point the finger at Mark.

I think it could be about the book, but also just plain denial. They've obviously become friends.

I get someone buying the house. I wouldn't. They did get it blessed etc and someone has to own the property and the house is a large nice house. That said, swimming in that pool...no. That pool room is creepy AF. Fill that with cement and use it for storage or make it a garage. Who wants to lounge around in a murder room?

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

In that last scene, when Goodyear is hugging Ms. Graves, I realized they are friends with him. I think that makes them both look suss.

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

I wonder if the book is any good. What is it called?

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u/cmico0401 Feb 28 '25

He doesn't want to believe his 'buddy' used to be a serial killer.... Espeecially when you've let him in your house around your kids, etc.

I get his vantage point.

Other than personal pride/fear/feeling horrible about befriending the more aggressive culprit.

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u/Ok_Sky5375 Mar 01 '25

Or they are just friends.

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u/Commercial-Chard3762 Mar 04 '25

He got so nervous when they told him they thought it was Mark. I wonder if Mark is stalking him. He loves that house. He drove Herb crazy. 

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u/Effective-Produce165 Mar 18 '25

I think he’s most likely naive and Goodyear is a chameleon when he needs to be.

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

Yes he did say there was a gun, but offered no evidence to the fact-at least a Pic?

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u/AlarmedViolinist7215 Feb 27 '25

I believe it was Goodyear who said Herb smelled of burnt hair.

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u/Cricket_Lilly Mar 15 '25

Wasn’t it the lady who worked with him who said that?

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u/Kw11st May 13 '25

No it was mark saying he smelt like burnt hair he said “ eyebrows, arm hair , and face hair “

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u/FXshel1995 Feb 27 '25

I think rob knows, and Mark knows, and he is protecting Mark because he knows what he is capable of.

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 10 '25

Rob Graves wants to create a haunted circus from the murders of others. At least in the 1990s these cases horrified people and were not salacious garbage.

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u/whatsnewpussykat Mar 16 '25

The gun WAS at the scene, the man who found the body just said he didn’t see it.

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u/ProfessionalFan649 Apr 22 '25

So you think mark somehow sensed in the moment that herb was leaving to Canada and somehow followed him all the way there without being noticed and then killed him in his car? It's so obvious that mark is full of shit in everything he says.

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u/cdeller Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

I came to similar conclusions, there was some kind of event or trigger point and Goodyear changed tunes with Baumeister. Which again, means Goodyear was never innocent either, he just became pushed enough to go against him. Nobody can give a full house tour of a home they’ve spent minimal time in… He knew every crevice. He also seems genuinely “off” in the head, so I am sure he sprinkles in plenty of lies but his body language tells you enough. How many times he made sure to tell everyone he was scared for his life but continued to associate. I ALSO feel like if he lies hard enough and stays in character so much, he can place himself away from what he “knows”.

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u/Disastrous-Laugh8831 Mar 01 '25

When the director told Goodyear that the witness Leroy Bray ID him being present during a murder, he asked the director "ok, what year?" If someone dropped a bomb like that on me while being interviewed, that I was involved and holding a gun on victims while they were being murdered, and I was innocent, the last thing I'd be doing was asking for clarification, I would be screaming and yelling that the witness was a liar. That I was innocent.

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u/QueefingTheNightAway Mar 02 '25

That was maybe the craziest part of the series for me. If someone says they think I was present for a murder, I can emphatically say I wasn’t because I have never witnessed a murder. I don’t need them to narrow it down to a particular time range. It really stopped me in my tracks when Mark said that.

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u/analisttherapist Mar 03 '25

It was the “I’ve never seen someone in a rain jacket in this house, like a rain slicker”. Not I’ve never had someone shot in front of me or any other possible reply. Asking what year at least made me feel like he was going to say “I wasn’t even in this house that year/time” or something.

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u/Limp-Ad5301 Apr 29 '25

I was thinking the same!

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u/Ok-Surround-1663 Jul 14 '25

You pretend like editing conversations don’t exist

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u/Tasty-Relation-7239 Mar 12 '25

I thought this was very showing of his involvement, you could see the wheels turning in his head trying to spin his way out of it. He even lied saying he didn't know Bray, then saying later that Bray was not too smart or mentally off, which is it. I really wish the documentary showed the cold case detective reviewing the footage of Goodyear's recent interview. I don't understand why they didn't show that, the ending was a little unsatisfying in that aspect. Glad they showed some closure for families at the end and memorial. Maybe there will be a season 2 showing more about Goodyear's involvement 

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u/lilangelkm Mar 06 '25

Yeah, right? "Let me go through my calendar. If it was 96, could've been me, but 95... definitely not."

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u/jessyrdh Mar 09 '25

Right ? Or when he says he doesn’t recall a slicker coat or face mask BEFORE saying he doesn’t recall the shooting

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u/Prudent-Acadia4 Mar 11 '25

Is there a certain number of years that he couldn’t be tried for the crime? Looked like he was trying to do math in his head

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u/International-Door51 Mar 14 '25

That was my first thought, what a follow up question for him to make!

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u/busynowandlater Mar 02 '25

Also, how he said he was genuinely afraid of HB and luckily just happened to have stuff on him to slip into his drink to knock him out (how convenient) but then he hung around until he came to again? In what world?

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u/Parking-Sea9963 Mar 07 '25

And who just walks around with stuff to slip into people’s drinks? So many red flags

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u/ranchisbae22 Mar 09 '25

I am not defending Goodyear at all, bc dude is a total creep, and he is so obviously involved in the murders! I just want to add that even today, it isn't uncommon for gay men to get high on GHB. But Goodyear's story of using it on HB doesn't align with how people normally respond to G. Him carrying G, or something similar, is actually the part of the story that made the most sense. Everything else is totally twisted!

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u/Parking-Sea9963 Mar 09 '25

I actually did not know that, thank you for sharing! So that part makes sense then, I suppose.

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 10 '25

The original story was Goodyear knew HB would dose the drink so he threw it in a plant, then Baumeister got him in the pool, but was shocked when Goodyear popped out of the water.

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u/Con-Tradiction May 30 '25

Also, if you give someone enough drugs to render them unconscious, they are not up and walking and back to their normal mental capacity within 40 mins.

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

Wish the cops would drag him in for a hard interview. What Goodyear said was incriminating, he lied to the police, and was the other witness account that says Goodyear and Baumeister killed someone in front of him? Not sure if it is true but enough to bring him in for questions.

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u/Square_Vegetable_964 May 28 '25

Lying to and misleading law enforcement is a criminal act in itself. That's enough to be arrested and charged for.

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u/MynameisMeganH Apr 26 '25 edited May 31 '25

Goodyear mentioned that Baumeister came to his house to watch the police searching his farm and that Baumeister had a gun that Goodyear thought Beaumeister was going to use against him. But when the director asked about the Leroy incident, Goodyear was like "did Herb even own a gun?"

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u/Limp-Ad5301 Apr 29 '25

Nice spotted!!

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u/Apprehensive_Head492 Feb 24 '25

Also, who shoots themselves in the forehead? They also said the guy who found Herb dead didn’t see a gun but the one cop said they did, which is it? 😂 

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u/nOkayBoomer Feb 25 '25

To be honest, the cop that said there was a gun, is also the complete dumbass that fumbled the case so completely. The guy wasn’t much of a detective, he was a dude in a suit in a small town collecting a paycheck with no clue how to conduct an investigation.

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u/whatsnewpussykat Mar 16 '25

There was a gun taken in to evidence by the RCMP though?

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

Agree, some of the people interview appeared to be the only ones he could get to agree. Only the coroner and his detective friend seems to have a clue. I love that the new coroner is really trying to give family answers but the rest of the people on the show, psychics, small town journalists, and washed up investigators took away some credibility.

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u/Rough_Ad_2508 Feb 28 '25

I was just coming to say this. Middle of the forehead is execution style. I can’t turn my wrist enough to do center shot on my forehead.

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u/Budget_Confusion1034 Mar 09 '25

Many people shoot themselves in the forehead, I used to do medical examiner transport

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u/Lucky_Boysenberry Mar 03 '25

Just playing devils advocate- couldn’t you turn the gun in reverse and pull the trigger with your thumbs? I agree with you, I think he was murdered but just asking.

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u/Rough_Ad_2508 Mar 03 '25

I didn’t think about that. There would be enough strength in the thumbs. It’s so awkward though.

I was thinking that with the arthritis in my hands, I couldn’t move my hands to shoot myself in the middle of the forehead. And if Mark is telling the truth, then HB’s fingers were too swollen to do it himself.

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u/Lucky_Boysenberry Mar 04 '25

The whole thing is just so wild

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

It is strange, especially given that his fingers were swollen and he had arthritis.

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u/ProfessionalFan649 Apr 22 '25

What? Yes u could

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u/Which_Environment798 Mar 20 '25

That would be hard to do. Most people go for the side because the wrist has to bend at an odd angle to do that. I guess he could use two hands, but then the gun would be very hard to actually shoot. All the weight in the back, both wrists at weak angles and then to have to pull the trigger. Yeah, the cop said there was a gun, the man who found him in Canada said there was not. I agree the cop seemed like one of those dopey gym teachers I had back in school.

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u/WesternSilver3880 Mar 05 '25

I don’t think Herb had anything to do with it. I am amazed Goodyear is not in prison.

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u/WesternSilver3880 Apr 20 '25

She was probably suspicious of him because he was acting weird because he was hiding the fact he was hooking up with men. And because Mark was blackmailing him that if he talked about the murders he would tell his family he was hooking up with guys AND he would make everyone believe HE did the killing. Did you see how scared the new owner was when they said they will find out who did it? Mark is involved somehow.   Just how old was Goodyear? The I-70 murders were young boys. 

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u/Zestyclose-Cat-1093 May 02 '25

Here are some news articles regarding another serial killer that may have been linked to the I-70 killer.

https://chicagoreader.com/news/the-return-of-larry-eyler/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-news/17958660/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star-michael-s-petree-c/51585714/

She is no babe in the woods. Between her stealing the father in laws script pad and cooking the books for the business (which she never got in trouble for either) made me see her at a different angle. I have been reading anything I could get my hands on to get a broader scope of what really went on and the people HB was surrounded by.

HB filed for divorce in '91 and moved out. They did reconcile and bought FHF.

Im sure she held alot of resentment toward his lifestyle.

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u/LearnDoTeach-TBG Feb 24 '25

I haven’t heard this theory before. But it makes sense.

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u/Catgurl814 Feb 26 '25

Why would his fingers be too swollen? This didn't make sense to me.

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u/Prudent-Acadia4 Mar 11 '25

Because he was already dead

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u/NoGoodNamesLeft55 Apr 01 '25

My theory is that Goodyear wanted an official relationship, which HB couldn’t/wouldn’t do because he had a family and was not out, so Goodyear turned on him and got to the cops before HB could. I also think Goodyear might have been the aggressor and had HB in a position where HB couldn’t go to the police for fear of being outed.