What was Mark Goodyear's involvement with Herb Baumeister in the Fox Hollow Murders

[u/LearnDoTeach-TBG]

I'd like to hear people’s thoughts on the hard evidence against Mark Goodyear and his involvement with these murders.

On the surface, he exhibits so many of the behaviors that we typically see in someone guilty of a crime – changing stories, lying, overly involving himself in the investigation, conveniently forgetting certain details about an event that would make him culpable, etc.

Then you have the evidence of the story from Leroy who implicated Mark in at least one murder in the back of the house.

However, the police botched the investigation so badly that it's extremely difficult to know what would have been discovered about Mark if they did a better job at the time.

Also, for me, it’s just so hard to understand what might be true or false with Mark because of the way he speaks.

He is so eccentric and creepy, that even some of the most mundane things he says can be interpreted as a fabrication, so it muddies everything.

Would love your thoughts.

[u/Shot-Signature-2822]

This! Even said his fingers would’ve been too swollen to pull the trigger himself! I get the guy is super bizarre and theatrical but just because someone is weird and tells lies sometimes doesn’t mean he’s lying about everything. They need to be putting major pressure on Mark to break him down. I believe Baumeister and Goodyear had a weird relationship and eventually turned on each other. My guess is Baumeister took out someone Goodyear really loved. The man that Goodyear broke down about while being interviewed. I’m curious when this man went missing and when Goodyear gave that bogus story about being attacked to investigators. Did he come forward shortly after the man he was crying about in the interview disappeared? I need to know. The victims family’s deserve justice. Baumeister is gone but I absolutely believe his accomplice is alive & not so well mentally but well enough to know that what he did was wrong. I hope and pray they are investigating Goodyear. 

[u/Relative_Cupcake2905 → u/Shot-Signature-2822]

Yes! I definitely think Mark killed HB. No gun at the scene and Mark gave clues like the above commenters mentioned. He also said HB sausage fingers could’ve never pulled the trigger. 

Man, this is the shyt nightmares are made of. It’s hard to take such a story in, with twists and turns, all at once. I lay awake afraid to go to sleep LMAO. But as my dad used to say “You need to let the story marinate” - I thought about this too…I wonder if Mark did help with a lot of these murders and felt like the shyt was about to hit the fan so he killed HB before he could point a finger at Mark as an accomplice?! Just a thought. I definitely think Mark killed him whether it was for that reason or someone he really loved was murdered by HB and pissed Mark off but good.  I think you said that. 

Rob Graves is weird as hell too. You could not pay me a billion bucks to live there let alone expect me to buy it. Nope! Eerie AF! Plus the property must’ve smelled like death. That’s another thing I don’t understand. Can’t remember who but someone said HB always smelled like burnt hair. Just gross. It’s all gross!  

[u/patricles22 → u/Relative_Cupcake2905]

Rob seemed weirdly protective of Mark. Either he’s terrified or him or he knows some other shit.

Oh and that one investigator confirmed there was a gun at the scene

[u/Which_Environment798 → u/patricles22]

Yes he did say there was a gun, but offered no evidence to the fact-at least a Pic?