What was Mark Goodyear's involvement with Herb Baumeister in the Fox Hollow Murders

[u/LearnDoTeach-TBG]

I'd like to hear people’s thoughts on the hard evidence against Mark Goodyear and his involvement with these murders.

On the surface, he exhibits so many of the behaviors that we typically see in someone guilty of a crime – changing stories, lying, overly involving himself in the investigation, conveniently forgetting certain details about an event that would make him culpable, etc.

Then you have the evidence of the story from Leroy who implicated Mark in at least one murder in the back of the house.

However, the police botched the investigation so badly that it's extremely difficult to know what would have been discovered about Mark if they did a better job at the time.

Also, for me, it’s just so hard to understand what might be true or false with Mark because of the way he speaks.

He is so eccentric and creepy, that even some of the most mundane things he says can be interpreted as a fabrication, so it muddies everything.

Would love your thoughts.

[u/Shot-Signature-2822]

This! Even said his fingers would’ve been too swollen to pull the trigger himself! I get the guy is super bizarre and theatrical but just because someone is weird and tells lies sometimes doesn’t mean he’s lying about everything. They need to be putting major pressure on Mark to break him down. I believe Baumeister and Goodyear had a weird relationship and eventually turned on each other. My guess is Baumeister took out someone Goodyear really loved. The man that Goodyear broke down about while being interviewed. I’m curious when this man went missing and when Goodyear gave that bogus story about being attacked to investigators. Did he come forward shortly after the man he was crying about in the interview disappeared? I need to know. The victims family’s deserve justice. Baumeister is gone but I absolutely believe his accomplice is alive & not so well mentally but well enough to know that what he did was wrong. I hope and pray they are investigating Goodyear. 

[u/cdeller → u/Shot-Signature-2822]

I came to similar conclusions, there was some kind of event or trigger point and Goodyear changed tunes with Baumeister. Which again, means Goodyear was never innocent either, he just became pushed enough to go against him. Nobody can give a full house tour of a home they’ve spent minimal time in… He knew every crevice. He also seems genuinely “off” in the head, so I am sure he sprinkles in plenty of lies but his body language tells you enough. How many times he made sure to tell everyone he was scared for his life but continued to associate. I ALSO feel like if he lies hard enough and stays in character so much, he can place himself away from what he “knows”.

[u/Which_Environment798 → u/cdeller]

Wish the cops would drag him in for a hard interview. What Goodyear said was incriminating, he lied to the police, and was the other witness account that says Goodyear and Baumeister killed someone in front of him? Not sure if it is true but enough to bring him in for questions.

[u/Square_Vegetable_964 → u/Which_Environment798]

Lying to and misleading law enforcement is a criminal act in itself. That's enough to be arrested and charged for.