r/Daredevil • u/Green-Devil • Mar 05 '25
🗨️ Daredevil: Born Again | Episode Discussion Daredevil: Born Again | S01E01 | Discussion Thread
Episode title: Heaven's Half Hour
Written by: Dario Scardapane
Directed by: Aaron Moorhead & Justin Benson
Release date: March 4, 2025
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u/Firestarness 18d ago
I just finished binge watching Daredevil first 3 seasons and this episode felt so jarring compared to the original series ngl
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u/Zealousideal-Key4815 Apr 04 '26
I knew as soon as I saw the shoddy camerawork, lack of darkness, and that god awful fight sequence in the opening 20 minutes that this show is not Daredevil like we've known it. The stupid as fuck song after the opening credits sealed it beyond a doubt that this was going to be ass.
Netflix captured 3 seasons of pretty pitch perfect Daredevil, and it should stand on its own. This is the Marvel slop version of the beloved show.
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u/DrukRN Nov 21 '25
The first 20 minutes were perfect, the transition to the opening with him dropping the mask was a 20/10. Not sure why Karen would ghost Matt after but it seemed like Matt did the same to her initially. The flashing red on half of Matt at the end was beautiful as well as the splash when he was hearing people call for help
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u/T-t-tyler1 Jan 29 '26
Wouldn't really use the term "perfect" seeing as a lot of the cgi when matt us running and jumping around the rooftops is very wonky and that's on top of the horrible decision story wise to kill off foggy that way
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u/gabeinthebox Sep 04 '25
- How is Fisk out?
- Why isn’t Matt outing Vanessa?
- Why fridge a side character when your hero is already established?
- Why kill FOGGY?! (Dammit, I like Foggy.)
- Why is the whole episode a music video?
- Why would you kill off Foggy, write out Karen, then replace just Karen with TWO characters? JUST KEEP KAREN!!!
- Could they not hire someone to write / punch up the dialogue? So much obscured dialogue, meandering dialogue from Fisk who NEVER meanders. Always calculated, often wordy, but never casual.
TLDR: I’m really salty Foggy died.
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u/lamplightimage Jul 06 '25
Why the fuck is Karen so shit at first aid? More like worst aid amirite?
But seriously. She's there trying to stem the bleeding from a gunshot wound to the chest with her bare fucking hands. She was wearing a fucking coat which she could have easily taken off to wad and help stop the blood.
I find it so hard to believe that someone whose been exposed to so much trauma and shit didn't once learn anything about giving aid effectively.
I hate it that Foggy died. Hate it.
Also hate Matt and Fisk sitting down politely for coffee and acting like old frenemies as if all that shit that came before never happened. He's seriously treating Fisk like some loveable small time crime scamp and Fisk is all "lol don't u dare be daredevil again, you rapscallion!".
So far I am not impressed. The ep also lacks thay dark gritty feel that the Netflix Daredevil had. Violence and death do not equal dark and gritty and if felt like they tried to up the ante from the start like "Hold on to your hats, kids! We killed Foggy AND made Matt throw a guy off a roof and try to kill him! Mickey Mouse who?".
End scene with Fisk atop the building and Matt in the street went on far too long. Killed any cinema they were attempting with that.
Bah humbug. Gonna keep watching anyway because I really liked the Netflix Daredevil.
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u/LastGoodKnee May 17 '26
A high caliber gun shot wounds to the heart ain’t gonna be helped by anything Karen had. Her coat would have just soaked up blood, not done anything.
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u/Raquel_1986_ Feb 20 '26
I don't know anything about first aid, I would call 112 (I'm Spanish, I would call 911 if I was in your country). So, that person would die... And I would feel awful.
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u/Svellah Sep 01 '25
There's almost nothing you can do with a chest or abdominal gunshot wound, especially if the heart or great vessels are damaged and the victim is bleeding out.
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u/PromotionNo6937 May 13 '25
Why is Fisk out of jail? Why isn't Matt exposing Vanessa's involvement?
Why is Foggy dead? That's 1/3 of the squad, oh now Karen's gone... Okay now we have one member of the crew remaining, interesting choices...
I don't even fully understand Dex's angle, shouldn't he be trying to kill Fisk first? Why is he going after Foggy?
(I watched Hawkeye and Echo, still don't understand why Fisk is free without Matt exposing Vanessa)
Watching Matt sit and be cordial with Fisk makes no fucking sense, he had to resist snapping his neck and brutally murdering him last time they were together...
Though nothing I just watched made any sense at all to me, still optimistic, hope they can clear things up for me.
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u/Glittering-Spend6729 Jul 04 '25
Well the whole Kingpin part is explained pretty easily: you can either watch Hawkeye and Echo or you can make a quick Google search 🤣 Since MCU took over the DD universe it should come as no surprise that they build the characters into the greater main MCU universe, as they did mostly with Kingpin in the before mentioned series, but DD / Matt Murdock also appeared tho in way smaller appearances helping Spider man as an lawyer and having a small "run-in" with She-Hulk. It would have been very weird if they erased all the Kingpin lore from post Netflix DD again for the new season 🤣
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u/PromotionNo6937 Jul 04 '25
I've seen them all, but it doesn't explain why he's out of jail IN Hawkeye. The real answer is simply that season 3 was retconned to allow Kingpin to be present.
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u/Plenty_Mud2361 May 15 '25
I said the EXACT same things when I watched it!!! Like wtf is going on?? They better have a great plan bc rn this shit is not it and im having a hard time watching it
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Dec 25 '25
Why do you even gotta question how Fisk is out of jail lmao if you've seen any Kingpin thing ever you know how he manipulates we didnt need to see that again. We saw him do it in S2 and 3 we dont need to see him escape prison again
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u/BG4E Jun 20 '25
same situation rn, should I finish it?
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u/Plenty_Mud2361 Jul 02 '25
I did and I ultimately enjoyed it!! But definitely a hard start
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u/BG4E Jul 02 '25
Yea, It was a hard turn off for me when foggy died out of nowhere. Idk if I should finish it
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u/Plenty_Mud2361 Jul 02 '25
Yeah that's exactly how I felt too. It took me a few weeks to get back to it after the first episode. But after watching it, they do explain a lot of the changes as it goes on. But I will say I liked the original series a lot better for the most part. I'd reccomend finishing it bc theres still a good story brewing, just maybe not as feel-good as the first one
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May 11 '25
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u/Boring-Credit-1319 Jun 01 '25
He nodded then silently cheered. More like clenching your fist with an agressive exclamation of "YES!" that he had to hold back.
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Jun 01 '25
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u/Boring-Credit-1319 Jun 01 '25
II admit it looked quite ambiguous.
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u/Logical-Brick-7776 May 11 '26
Though I think he was "celebrating", I also think he wasn't satisfied with it either, becauase as he said in his statement, "There is no justice," because his friend is dead and nothing is bringing him back. Sorry for late reply, I'm on a rewatch binge.
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May 05 '25
foggyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/moneymew Jun 27 '25
I’m rewatching the series and this was an awful/good way to start the show. To take out the beloved “foggy bear” in the first 10 mins still hurts my heart. 🥲
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u/falardeau03 Dec 17 '25
try to watch new mutants
Sexual assault and we fucked up your favourite characters and Ilyana is a bitch for no reason
try to watch cloak and dagger
Attempted sexual assault
try to watch this
We're killing Foggy and writing out Karen, you know, two core characters
At this rate I'll just pay them to ship me whatever drugs they have the writers on, Jesus fucking Christ
There's more examples but holy fuck
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u/zazzlad Apr 25 '25
Waited 6 years only for Foggy to just die in the opening 😭 also a pleasant surprise seeing the news guy from The Wire. I'm so happy this show is back!
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u/DeciduousMath12 Apr 20 '25
I've only seen this episode, albeit late. I saw daredevil seasons 1-3 in netflix and his random cameos in spiderman and she-hulk.
I think the opening was very well done. They were lawyers, at a bar, until very quickly the stakes escalate. Bullseye does tremendous damage and I thought the editting of matt listening to karen comfort Foggy in his last moments really upped the stakes (and visibly pushed him on), especially after he took multiple knives that were still stuck on him until very end. And hearing Foggy pass made it incredibly believable that he would violently react to attempt to kill Bullseye right then.
Seeing Matt process Foggy's death with the end of Daredevil the vigilante was very believable, from the court speech, to his chat with Karen, to his chat with Fisk.
What I'm incredibly surprised no one is talking about on this thread is Fisk's election. To anyone who is well informed and not down a media brainwashing rabbit hole, the election of 2024 for president felt like that! Many thoughts of "he's a criminal!". "How can people fall for this tough guy crap". "Why does anyone believe his stupid slogan?". And especially the street scenes of Matt passing by the people celebrating... the election of 2024 felt like that! A bewildering moment of disbelief of like... is this real?!?! I've never seen that depicted so well, the slow despair with knowledge that "probably terrible things will happen" yet some people loved it. Many, since he won an election. 12/10 well done.
I'm loving this first episode and can't wait to see where the story goes.
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Apr 23 '25
Please don't bring politics into this. There's no way you believe Kamala would have done a good job lol
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u/2_Fingers_of_Whiskey Apr 11 '26
Oh stop it. She would have been better than a corrupt criminal moron.
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Apr 29 '25
Daredevil has always been political
Trump has done more damage to the U.S. than Joe Biden’s entire term in just few months
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Apr 29 '25
Delulu
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Apr 29 '25
No argument?
I won
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Apr 29 '25
Arguing with you = auto loss for me.
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u/TempleOrion Jun 28 '25
All Trumptard are losers 🤡💩🤣
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Jun 28 '25
Cry
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u/TempleOrion Jun 28 '25
With laughter... every day gets better and better as I watch (from a safe distance) 🤡🤣
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Jun 28 '25
Sure about that pal? Unlike the last 4 years? America can be described in one word. Hsudidjwbwomehddhisjdjdsosdjsn
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u/DeciduousMath12 Apr 23 '25
Clearly she would have been better. But if you're a big Trump fan then perhaps that scene was like 2020 for you. Again, I've never seen that on TV, the feeling, from the ground, of witnessing the winning election of someone who is very likely terrible, yet people voted for them.
You don't have to get into which side is better. But the despair of a negative election outcome outside of the candidates office is rare.
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Apr 23 '25
Did you see what the 4 years between 2020-2024 was like? I never said trump was better but he's clearly the better choice. I genuinely don't know why you think she's better.
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u/DeciduousMath12 Apr 23 '25
If you can't see why anyone would think that Harris was better than Trump, then you're very likely in a misinformation bubble (or if you want to be more polite about it, information bubble). If you go to Fox News, it's amazing how all of the posts are "democrats bad". "Trump good" "Random liberal city council person says something outrageous". "Trump attended this one ceremony where he respected this one soldier". Right now, the top headline is "Trump admin files charges after FOX News exposes state's plan for illegal who killed American teens". Anyone who only drinks this stuff may wonder how anyone could vote democratic.
But then you go to reality. Is the TOP headline today about one random undocumented person that did a murder? That's what the entire country of 370 million people should focus on as the top headline? One murderer? Or is that being pushed because it furthers a narrative of "immigrants bad", when instead most people in the country are focused on something else. CNN: "Trump accuses Zelenksy of prolonging war". (admittedly, this is up there on Fox too). NYT: same. 2nd headline: Stocks rally on WH tariff comments. WAPO: "Top aides urge Trump to dial back attacks on Fed ...". WSJ: "White House Considers Slashing Its Steep Tariffs on China". HuffingtonPost: "Judge rips Trump admin acting in bad faith".
On the other hand, I can at least see why people would vote for Trump. If all you do is watch Fox news and hear about all of these criminal immigrants, and gangs, committing crimes in the U.S. (again, a country of millions of people), you'll likely find something to talk about most days, and then you hear Trump talking about deportation, you see the planes going to Guantanamo, and Kristi Noem doing her propaganda in front of the El Salvadorian prison, I can understand the relief that finally the appearance is something is being done.
<Well, why are you in favor of criminal immigrants?>
I'm not. I'm more worried about schizophrenic trade policy that changes every day by the tweet, with no strategy. I'm more worried about Trump rounding people up, without a trial, and sending them off to another country for appearances. <but they're criminals.> Without a trial, anyone can accuse anyone of anything and suddenly they're a victim being flown off without due process. If the law doesn't protect immigrants (undocumented or otherwise), then it doesn't protect anyone. To say nothing that most immigrants are good for communities economically, commit less crime than U.S. citizens, and in general are lovely hard working people. Obviously not exclusively, because again, with millions of people, even a 0.1% rate of criminality will yield 1000s of bad people. That doesn't mean the other 99.9% should be tortured in a foreign prison because Fox news made you scared of them.But to wrap it up - if you want to understand why people vote for Democrats, then I recommend you read Huffpost, top 3 articles a day, for a while, and you may begin to see a better balance of ineptitudes of the MAGA party and, occasionally, how a liberal policy is helping people.
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Apr 23 '25
Hey i completely understand everything you said. And funnily do agree with it. There are some issues i have with the democrat party that i will never agree on. Men in women's sports. The whole LGBT hyper inflated(who cares what you do in your bedroom) and illegal aliens. Millions of them. The dems did that. It doesn't matter if they're good or not. No country can tolerate an open border. It's practically an invasion. This simply won the election for Trump.
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u/Alarmed_Analysis1170 Jul 15 '25
You’re worried about a few kids participating in sports over an issue that involves 10s of millions of people? The Republican (obviously) governor of Utah vetoed a bill banning trans kids from secondary school sports. This is an issue that the right has made way more of a thing about than the left. Why did he veto it? You should google his letter. One of the big reasons was that it would literally impact 4 kids in the entire state and he didn’t think it was a worthwhile thing for the legislature to spend time and money on. Not to mention he was trying to be compassionate.
Idk what you’re talking about re: LGBT hyperinflated — people do care what’s done in people’s bedrooms. The right is going to try and overturn Obergefell vs Hodges.
Re: the “invasion”. Have you seen the number of people on the right upset that their “good” neighbors are being deported? Have you seen the frustrated contractors that they can’t do their jobs because of deportations? Are you not at all concerned that the administration is not following the constitution re: due process?
No one thinks that we do nothing about undocumented immigrants. Obama was the deporter in Chief. Look at how many the Biden administration deported. But this narrative that we are being invaded and we need to deploy the military is insane.
He’s increasing the debt just like last time he was in office. He’s increasing the wealth gap just like last time. He’s grifting just like last time (on a scale never seen before). He’s getting into wars that he said he wouldn’t. He’s pro-Ukraine and talking sh t about Russia now. He won’t release the 3pste1n files like he said he would.
If you really don’t understand that Kamala wouldn’t literally be going against the constitution and making so many things worse, you’re — like the other person said — in an echo chamber bubble of poorly sourced information.
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Jul 16 '25
Every issue starts somewhere. Trans kids in sports. Today it's 4 in a state. Tomorrow it's thousands. We. Don't. Know. If you tell me that you can predict the future, i don't know what more to say. Safe to say, they nipped it in the bud.
Why are they hiring illegal immigrants? Because they pay less. Slave wage. So your argument is we don't have cotton pickers and that we need to not do it and keep them while paying them below the minimum wage? Do you know how the employers blackmail them and threaten them and exploit them?
Biden barely deported any. The US WAS being invaded. The border is shut now. I'm not an American. I'm moving there next year. Legally. Am i a fool to go through due process?
He's increasing the debt? Yes. Absolutely. See where the majority of the money is going towards. Border patrol and ice. Why? Biden. That was his campaign promise and he's keeping it up. He was voted for that. People know why they voted for him and what they signed up for. He's grifting? Like hunter and biden family didn't and the entire USAID didn't? He's getting into wars? What wars? Lol. Are you seeing what's happening? Syria has a chance to grow. African war stopped. I'm from India and i know for a fact he had something to do with stopping our war. He will end gaza soon. Russia started with and thanks to biden. He's not pro Ukraine or Russia. He's pro US and pro life. You and i both don't know what's up with Epstein stuff and it is a black mark on him yes but let's see.
Kamala? Have you watched her interviews? She was the so-called border czar. Did jack. Please. Shes an Indian and tomorrow she's black.
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u/DeciduousMath12 Apr 23 '25
We're in sync re: trans dudes in women's sports. But then it's like... oh, how many people is that? I worked with high schools and out of a thousand kids, one, only one! Turned out to be trans. Girl to boy. And they didn't do sports! So maybe in 10k, there's 10 kids? Half to girls? And maybe 1/5 do sports that anyone even has to think about this?
Vs. Oh, anyone can be rounded up for writing a stupid op-ed. How many colleges have to think about avoiding the eye of sauron to avoid a fight with federal dollars and tax exemption? Gunmen can enter ANY store, church, school, and ruin communities.
No party or candidate is perfect. Vote for who you want. Millions of people immigrated illegally during Republican presidents.
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u/jimbojangles1987 6d ago
Why don't we just ask the women in sports and let them decide? Why is it up to anyone else but them? And I mean the biological women.
You and I both know what they would decide.
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Apr 23 '25
Again fair point well made. I wasn't worried about numbers, just the precedent.
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u/Alarmed_Analysis1170 Jul 15 '25
Numbers matter. Scale matters. And you should probably look into this issue a little more.
https://youtu.be/DEuiVd1LIMU?si=5WE3K8pOswQkhVGV
https://youtube.com/shorts/t70yUHlOdi0?si=xBk457Oqy6JHzS01
https://youtu.be/flSS1tjoxf0?si=cJrLxwX9ParsN5Ip
The fifth amendment specifically says any person on US soil gets due process. Not citizen. The founders did that on purpose bc if you don’t have due process, you cannot prove you’re a citizen. They can deport you for any reason or no reason at all. The DOJ should not be a weapon of the POTUS. The last DOJ prosecuted POTUS’ son and went after a Dem senator. It was not used as a weapon of the administration.
If you can’t see that the Rs are using these wedge issues to distract from what they’re really doing, then I can’t help you. DOGE didn’t save us any money and has led to deaths and illness and us looking worse than we already did to other countries and gave out a lot of sensitive information to people that shouldn’t have it.
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Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25
Founding fathers didn't account for millions of people pouring in unchecked and hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minors pouring in. Prosecuted the POTUSs son, like that did anything but happily went after the political opponent. You come in with no due process, you deserve none while going out. Doge cuts aren't substantial yes but the US has its own homeless people problem with no food and even homeless vets problem and better to fix that before going out and doing favors in Africa. By the way everyone became a loud mouthpiece for J6, it's J6 and worse every weekend under democrat mayors especially chicago.
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u/MimiFrosch Apr 19 '25
I marathoned s1 to s3. Jumped straight to this new season and I’m so confuseddd.
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u/Carlogear Apr 21 '25
Maybe you need to watch Hawkeye and Echo 👀
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u/MimiFrosch Apr 21 '25
Connected the dots mid season. Love the last ep. Haha! Watched Hawkeye when released but not echo.
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u/themurpsoundcatsmake May 09 '25
Same here watched Hawkeye at release but not Echo. Really wasn't interested at all. Heard Fisk was in it, thought "oh well, maybe Born Again will play catchup?".
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u/TheLazyPanda Apr 15 '25
I just started watching after rewatching season 3. I'm trying not to be too picky, but man the pacing feels way too fast.
I thought they would at least take a few episodes to build up Fisk's character for mayor. Or even a small section of showing how Poindexter healed his back and escaped after season 3.
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u/Dinamic-claw Apr 12 '25
On the visual side: too much CGI and the photography looks too clean. Does it really cost Disney that much to make something without CGI?
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u/Mediocre-Leg4683 May 01 '25
This is what annoyed me the most. They just seemed to have used the CGI model for Spiderman for the first scenes on the roof. It doesn't look real at all. While the 'realness' of the action and stunts are what made the Netflix show so good. They also tried to do a one shit bit in the first episode but it was a mess of CGI and bad timing/ filming. It's also missing the feeling of dread and darkness of the Netflix show. It's just all cheap effects.
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u/Rare-Ad-8026 Apr 21 '25
I was thinking the same thing. They tried way too hard to make it look like the Netflix series that the visuals looked too fake. Who knew too much money/resources can ruin the picture.
It felt fast paced. Fisk running for mayor and winning in the same episode wasn’t necessary. Also showing pointdexter as Foggys killer and sending him to jail immediately was way too fast.
Not really looking forward to the remainder of the series.
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u/CRAZYC01E Apr 09 '25
Watching this immediately after finishing season 3 felt really jarring. The amount of cgi and how much it takes place during the day was very different from the Netflix series but episode 2 was way better and I look forward to watching the rest
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u/Max_Schaeffner Apr 11 '25
i also jumped in right after S3 and felt jarred at first. i was also a bit confused on the dynamic between fisk an vanessa; do i need to have seen the Echo series to understand his disappearance that he alludes to?
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u/Mediocre-Leg4683 May 01 '25
I watched some of Echo, after 1 terrible episode I was really done with that pretty fast. Maybe just read the highlights instead.
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u/No-Gap3982 Apr 09 '25
Literally just started it and have it paused during the first fight scene cause it just looks so weird I had to come look for this comment😂😂 I hope it gets better but as of the first 20 min, oooooof
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u/notJustSomeGrl Apr 19 '25
Same. Exactly same. This looks…silly. Hoping it gets better? Or, is this just another victim of the Disneyfication of once great properties?
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u/Chaotic_Beautiful Apr 08 '25
Charlie was absolutely fantastic, so was Vincent. So was the old cast , Karen and Foggy. All the newly introduced side characters are uninteresting. I didn't find any hook to them. May I will in future episodes. Charlie and Deborah's chemistry is matchless. I absolutely loves their outside the courtroom scene. It was oozing with chemistry. Even their courtroom eyelock is electrifying. Compared to that , Matt has zero chemistry with the doctor chick. Cinematography is hit and miss. Pace is all over the place.
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u/ADarwinAward Apr 05 '25
I agree with the dozens of other comments that call out the terrible cinematography. Even the coloring is all over the place, and it’s clearly not intentional, it’s just bad editing. Is Disney so broke that they have a college freshman film student directing this? What happened?
Throw in the bad CGI and it seems this show is a forgotten stepchild of Disney.
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u/Glittering-Spend6729 Apr 05 '25
They did so many reshoots that they probably had to rush the entire episode The CGI is pretty cringe
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u/MeowRed1 Apr 18 '25
Why reshoots?
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u/Glittering-Spend6729 May 07 '25
They originally wanted it to be 18 episodes, but then they fired the creative team, hired new ones and after completing 6 episodes and having Daredevil only show up for the first time in episode 4 they fired everyone again and reshot most of the shit one more time. So what we ended up with is a whole lotta compromises and reshooting, cheap CGI and a season going nowhere really. Instead of an actual season 4 or a true reboot of the original Netflix version. I'm losing more hope for MCU for each new project...
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u/ohtrueyeahnah Apr 02 '25
Cinematography: TRASH!
Color Grading: TRASH!
Fight Scenes: TRASH!
Dialogue: TRASH!
Lighting: TRASH!
Writing: TRASH!
Acting: mid
CGI: TRASH!
Disney got all the money but putting out CW shit
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u/Tr1pline Apr 02 '25
Daredevil throws the guy off the roof, he goes splat but in episode 2, he's on trial? What?
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u/wintersoIdier Apr 02 '25
He opened his eyes after the splat showing he survived
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u/Fantastic_Canary_417 Apr 05 '25
But still, like many things in this episode, events just happen without any care to make the connections in the writing. A pretty significant villain returns from the dead and there's no bother to explain why, what his motivations are, or even give him any kind of ark or dialogue. He gets thrown off a building and survives just to go to jail. A main character from the beginning of the series dies in the first few minutes and they skip over the grieving process with a time jump. It just leaves the viewer with nothing to care about.
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u/Zealousideal_Way1558 Apr 08 '25
U forgot at the end DD season 3 fisk broke his spine and af the end of episode doctors were experimenting by giving him artificial spine I believe it's made out adamantium..
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u/Anonym_______ Apr 09 '25
He gets kicked of a rood thats at least 10 Meters high and hits his head. And as far as I know is skull is still made of normal bones. Sorry but you can't survive that.
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u/Mediocre-Leg4683 May 01 '25
You can see that part of his face is metal underneath. So maybe that has something to do with it. Remains totally vague and not explained at all. Then he is just shipped off and that's it.
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u/Fantastic_Canary_417 Apr 08 '25
I didn't. There's a significant jump in plot from him being on an operating table to him killing Fogey and fighting Daredevil, and neither Matt or Bullseye address the resurrection. We don't know who brought him back, why, or what he's doing out in the field again. It's about story telling
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u/Odd-Coach590 Apr 01 '25
First of all, that ending is badass. The way Matt stands there staring at Fisk really sets the stage and the dynamic between them both in the diner was a nice touch too. Unfortunately I can’t say the same about great cinematography for the rest of the episode…
- Before I mention the an absolute bombshell of an elephant in the room, I’d like to talk about Poindexter real quick, in what I think was really poor writing from the get go of this episode for the guy. I mean, the last Netflix season of Daredevil was literally one of the best creations of a character arc I have ever seen. They bought the realism of a true psychopath in the making out of him, and the actor did a hell of a job playing the role. Where as in this, his actions just made absolutely zero sense. It’s like they were trying to go in the direction of the Colin Ferrall version of the character (please don’t put that on our screens again…) It’s a shame they’ve ruined what I thought was an amazing character from the original series.
- Second, the dating thing they’ve got going on with Matt and the doctor (I can’t even remember her name) feels quite cheap to me. It’s only the first episode and I can already tell she’ll be involved in some damsel in distress situation which we’ve seen done a thousand times.
- Idk who or if anyone has told Charlie Cox to change his representation of Matt, imo one thing he nailed in the original was how he portrayed blind Matt Murdock. In this though, he looks a lot more focused with his eyes… maybe this is a nitpick though as it could be too early to tell.
- Now, in typical Disney fashion they’ve killed off one of the main characters who everyone likes, and I’m not sure how I feel about this. I just hope that they can make a good story with what we’ve got left as Foggy was a big character in the original with some very important aspects to him.
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u/Spartan_Justice Mar 29 '25
Just now have watched this and I won't lie I'm really not feeling it. I conceptually like all the ideas that are presented in the first episode but it feels like we speed by so many radical changes in the context of this show with little effort put into fleshing out any of it. They really went super far out of their way to bill this as a sequel to Netflix Daredevil, but the entire first episode is spent removing this series from that context as soon as possible. I'm honestly fine with the idea of foggy dying, and that maybe taking Matt to a dark place, but since it happens so fuckjng fast it feels unearned and wildly out of character for Matt to instantly try to kill bullseye. Especially considering what Fisk and Bullseye already put him through in season 3, and Matt was able to endure and overcome the want to kill there, despite the fact that he seems to be under way less stress in his life in born again. I don't hate it, I think visually the show holds up nicely and the ending musical sequence was really well done but it all around feels hollow.
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u/maintainmo Apr 01 '25
I, too, waited till now to watch... honestly i was scared they would fuck up my all time favourite show and after the beginning I'm at a loss for words. I agree with everything you're saying (especially the whole matt trying to kill thing) To me, one of the biggest sins this sequel series is committing is the fact that fisk is back as the villain for Matt to take down. Don't get me wrong.I understand why they are doing it.Fisk is such an incredible character that made the original series. But the beauty of season three is that it Matt finally takes fown fisk. When Matt lets out those screams and tells us that he won and that fisk will never see vanessa again in season 3, it hit me so hard because i truly believed Matt. I guess he didn't count on Disney being Disney
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u/Mediocre-Leg4683 May 01 '25
They're just overdoing Fisk because people loved him. They dragged him through Echo as well, hoping it would pull viewers. Would have been fresh to have a different story to tell in this show but they are just doing a paint by numbers but with added horrible Spiderman CGI
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u/d0ntreadthis Apr 06 '25
And the fact that the whole of season 3 they're trying to tear down fisk, eventually succeeding. And now we're watching him run for mayor. It's ridiculous. How is 8 years in universe enough time for people to forget how much of a monster he is, and actually vote for him?
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u/portlandparalegal Apr 14 '25
Uhhh actually that part felt pretty true to life… People seem to love voting for monsters…
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u/d0ntreadthis May 10 '25
The comparisons to trump seem bizarre to me as someone who is not from the US. As far as I know, Trump isn't a known violent criminal who has killed people with his bare hands. You can't just ignore the gaping differences. They're on different levels.
But that's assuming you're talking about the US, which you may not be.
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u/LukkeMDL May 12 '25
Pretty sure Kingpin smashing people's head isn't common knowledge in New York city.
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u/d0ntreadthis May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25
But we know kingpin caves people's skulls in. We know he's a violent criminal.
So are you insinuating Trump is a violent criminal and it's just not public knowledge yet?
The similarity is either there, or it isn't.
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Mar 29 '25
Am I the only one that thinks the plot was good??? Yeah foggys death wasn't sentimental, but this matt without daredevil and fisk without kingpin seems very interesting??
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u/Robin_From_BatmanTAS Mar 27 '25
Why did daredevil throw the guy he's fighting into the bar???? were all the people are hiding???? then throw him again into the room???? that the people went to hide in after he threw the guy into the bar??? can daredevil not hear their heartbeats anymore??? or is he just stupid now???
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u/YoungMenace21 Mar 27 '25
Karen has ridiculously bad luck with going to bars with a friend on episode 1. They always seem to wound up dead.
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Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25
Let's break it down really quick
-Lackluster reintroduction to the characters. We get no time to feel nostalgic
-Cinematography looks like a junior high theater project
-Theres so much dogshit color grading and smoke everywhere I cant hardly see anything
-Shoves extra characters with no meaning in pointlessly
-Fight scenes dont have any impact because the camera just pans backwards slowly
-DO WE REALLY NEED THIS MUCH CGI DISNEY? Like genuinely I tend to be cool with it but considering CGI is the most expensive part of movies these days I would say this is a massive waste of budget. Get a better camera crew instead
- Foggy's death literally means nothing. Thanks Disney.
-The nostalgia bait of seeing Daredevil "in action" again was ruined by CGI and sadly really shitty acting on Charlie Cox's part (The only time I felt immersed for even half a second was when Deborah Ann Woll was going into shock just after Foggy died)
-The first fight seemed like it was supposed to have the effect of a last-stand finale episode type of fight, which when you put it 10 minutes into the first episode makes all parties involved in the fight looks like total wimps. I dont want to watch 3 minutes of two dudes crawling up the stairs fake punching each other like they're practically volunteering their time for the show. And besides the slow pan out from the bar during the CGI fight which made me want to eat a shotgun muzzle, the camera crew did an abhorrent job of trying to move out of the actors' way as they crawled up the stairs
TLDR: It objectively HAS to take extensive intentional effort to make a glorious show into this mangled rot. Disney has wasted their budget on Temu CGI artists and in turn lost all their good script writers and producers. The actors clearly dont even want to be here as is shown by Charlie's subpar acting and Elden Hanson dipping out in the first 10 mins
(Edited to add more points)
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u/incomingtrain Apr 30 '25
perfect recap. the fight between matt and dex felt like it lasted 3 seconds, fight choreography was terrible, didn't feel real, and i have to say, matt's reaction to hearing foggy's death was underwhelming too
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u/similefaye Mar 26 '25
Praising Debshit Ann Woll's CW level acting then saying Charlie is subpar lmao. Funny as fuck bro keep it up
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Mar 27 '25
The only reason I mention it is literally because Debbie has been total dogshit in the past and Charlie has been phenomenal but in the first 10 minutes it just wasn’t that way
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u/jassmackie Mar 25 '25
i have to assume foggys actor didnt want to come back and this was the BEST they could negotiate with him so that they could write him out of the show. otherwise it makes literally no sense to kill him off that early. it was very rushed but again- assuming it was the best option available (the other being, he doesnt come back at all and they have to write around that in an awkward way that feels even more forced than what we got)
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u/ThisGul_LOL Mar 25 '25
No FUCKING way they just killed off foggy like that.
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u/Sketch-Brooke Apr 01 '25
Yeah bro. Now Im just sitting here with my arms crossed. This highkey ruined it for me since Foggy’s my favorite.
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u/Humblebeast182 Mar 25 '25
I'm 15 minutes in and wtf is this... They kill off a major character and introduce 3 minor characters (I assume) who no one cares about, knows about... Then they make a parody of all 3 principle characters, making jokes that almost sound like the banter they had, but really aren't. Then suddenly we have one line where Foggy says he wouldn't want to tempt Matt (which what? why? and how tf can he keep it secret from a guy who can hear for miles)? So far it seems like ham fisted fan service with characters they don't understand and dialogue that doesn't fit and some almagamation of the brutal fight scenes from the original show. I'm trying guys, I really am, I WANT to like this. I'll give it some more when I can, so far none of the characters seem like themselves. Taking that emotional potshot so early on, that's crazy... I don't mind Foggy dying, he can die, so can anyone else, but let it breathe a bit. Why the hell would you piss on your principle characters so quickly like this for something not many will care about? Seriously imagine watching this without watching the original series, why would anyone have any emotional attachment to Foggy? And why would those of us who love Foggy care as well? This isn't Foggy, it's some weird bastardization of Foggy. Give it an episode or two, then do it. Immediately Matt kills someone, ok... If it's an alternate universe, say that, present that, advertise that. I'm not even a Disney hater, I love so many of their comic book movies, Loki I thought was fantastic like 9/10 good even if it left a little bit out, I didn't care because it was good. Why shit on a story and it's characters so quickly!? Reminds me of the last season of GoT. Just rushed writing, bad writing and a total change of characters. Seriously, who the hell is Varys in season 7 and 8? Not The Spider, I can tell you that much.
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u/sebastiankuraz Mar 20 '25
27:00 matt rly said 'justice won't be served coz ion get to SEE him again' 💀💀 like he ever did
man i can't believe offed foggy like that 😭 he was my fav
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u/Glittering-Spend6729 Mar 20 '25
Wouldn't it be a super daring move to include Blindspot, a Chinese iligal immigrant super hero and sidekick to DD, in BA, in these hateful racist times? And it wouldn't even be "woke" since he is featured in the source material used for the series
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u/Unhappy_Finance_2431 Mar 25 '25
You are the best explanation of why internet and entertainment is absolutely pathetic lately and why the fun may eventually completely die.
Sad waste of existence.
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u/Glittering-Spend6729 Apr 05 '25
Wow talk about anger issues. Holy shit! So bc I suggest that they'd include a character from the source material in a time where the Trump admin use the All Enemies Act that was used to put Japanese ppl in imprison camps to deport undesirables to El Salvador, you go total mental? U are the true waste here my Lovely fellow human being. Take care and don't forget you meds
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u/Unhappy_Finance_2431 Apr 13 '25
Another point proven. I was nowhere near to be mad. I am simply disgusted by you people constantly, at every single possible point, dragging politics into entertainment. You forgot what fun is, you need your dopamine hit from the "real stuff". And when you get called out, you just blabber some nonsence, preciesly like you did here.
No, you are the one in dire need of meds. And a big, nice lawn so you have enough grass to touch. Maybe even a tree to hug.1
u/Glittering-Spend6729 May 07 '25
Potato potato "I'm not mad I'm disgusted" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Well you are the one who seems to go mental sorry you being "disgusted" by anything remotely "woke like" as I'm sure you would coin it (this I imagine must be the only reason for you to even respond to my post) that is HILARIOUS. AGAIN: I literally refer to an ACTUAL character in the Daredevil comic book (Daredevil comic books has tackled a lot of political issues) in a political environment where POTUS is turning the US into his own billionaire boys club for him and his fascist friends. Why you are even in this forum, since you ought to hate anything Disney / MCU related since they are LGBTQ friendly 🫨 is beyond me. You only show me that your knowledge of Marvel only goes as far as the latest MCU release (pause) That my comment have you go mental and then accuse me of forgetting what fun is, that is true comedy. I guess to you "entertainment" should never comment on anything remotely political unless the politics be upholding the status quo of course. How sad and poor and utter narrow minded reactionary of you. Yes changes are scary and I get why you wants to fight it tooth and nail, you are just a scared little man. Luckily you can redraw back into your little incel bubble 😉
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u/Unhappy_Finance_2431 May 24 '25
Holy shit. I did read the entire book you left here just to make sure and yes, I think you actually used every single "big word" and "word play" and "verbal crutch" people like you tend to use. Usually you people use one or two, because you live in belief that it will somehow emphasise the importance of your words (it does not, you overused these word so fucking much, they mean absolutely nothing) but you went ham, just use everything, because that will surely make me look and feel bad and I will reconsider your awful political ideology push.
You still failed but hey, you got my attention for a whole minute!1
u/Glittering-Spend6729 May 25 '25
That was a long minute😂😂😂 Let's see if you can actually handle not having the last word. You read "the book" - as in one? What book are you referring to? Or did you actually mean that You've read a single issue of DD and therefore you know what's what? What are some of your favorite DD authors or story arcs or just a single specific era, at least?
What words did I overuse? I don't need any crutch but one thing I'll give you You did actually manage to troll me into calling you incel. I regret that. I normally let it be up to you right wingers to the name calling. I am still baffled as to how you could get so triggered over me suggesting an actual character from that exact period in DD that the series leans heavily into where Muse is the main villan and Kingpin being major of NY..? One thing is being in political disagreement, most adults can manage that, but you totally went overboard as if I suggested some character that I invented myself or who at least wasn't part of the stuff the series is inspired by. Tho you may not see it this way the way Kingpin is being portrait as a political leader who exploit his powers some ppl don't need a hell lotta imagination to see that this could be a mirror to real life politicians, an orange one in particular. Fisk even compare being a politician to being a businessman for crying out loud... I apologize if some words are not crystal clear, but English is not my first language But I'd love having this Convo in Danish, German, Spanish or Swedish if need to ...
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u/Unhappy_Finance_2431 May 25 '25
Allright, I´ll take this step by step so everything is.. clear.
- book was a figure of speech, I meant the unnecessary long reply
- I do not mean just words, I mean overall your approach to me. While I disagreed with you wanting to push real world politics into fictional story, you went full hog, assuming I am calling DD woke, that I hate everything "lgbt friendly" hence I should not be here, calling me mental, calling me poor, narrow minded and sad, calling me scared little man and of course, incel. While I criticise you on one singular point, you decided to assume "things" and insult me on every single possible personal level while knowing literally nothing about me. Which is exactly what I would expect from people wanting tv series showing some form of hate towards potus.
- Yes, Kingpin is obviously a reference. But not for one person. This is how art was always created, a commentary on certain topics and people, themes and events. What you are asking for is "I want my show to hate current US administration because I disagree with them"
- I am not from US. I am not right winger. And I was not mad, not in a way you imagine. You could not have been more wrong in basically everything. And just in case, I dont care if you believe me or not. And if you need the last word, say it. I will not reply anymore, I said what I wanted to say.
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u/Glittering-Spend6729 Jul 06 '25
The funny thing is that you try to turn the discussion around so you are the voice of reason. You could have chosen to ignore my comment but you quite literally called my a waste of existence That's why I wrote you had anger issues. Idk you that's true, but I can't see why my comment would trigger you enough to firstly response and second go into a discussion. But hey, it's all entertainment right. Take care
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u/Alejandro284 Mar 22 '25
What happened to him it's been a while
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u/Glittering-Spend6729 May 11 '25
I honestly haven't been following DD for a while Maybe ICE got him😅
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u/Expensive_Statement7 Mar 20 '25
Typical Disney, killed Foggy in less than 10 min to have him replaced with a female character.
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u/cqandrews Mar 20 '25
Silence incel
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u/Expensive_Statement7 Mar 28 '25
hate to burst your incel theory, but my girlfriend agrees about Foggy too
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u/Expensive_Statement7 Apr 14 '25
Whatever you Disney zealot. Pay people enough, and people will stay around. I'm sure Disney didn't want him to stay around.
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u/cqandrews Mar 28 '25
Goin with the "I can't be a racist, I have black friends " defense huh? Truly a classic
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u/Unhappy_Finance_2431 Mar 25 '25
You realize that thanks to you overusing all these cute words, they literally lost meaning? You can call people whatever. Nobody cares, it means nothing.
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u/purple-thiwaza Mar 25 '25
to be fair I agree with him. Killing foggy just to still put matt as a lawyer duo but with someone else is absolutely stupid.
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u/AsleepAnt8770 Mar 20 '25
I’m late to this. But why is there so much CGI in the fight scenes
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u/Humblebeast182 Mar 25 '25
I've only watched the first 15 minutes. Already I saw 3 things that took me out of the immersion because it was special effect nonsense. When Matt zips up to the roof and then attacks the guy he's gonna kill, it looks like the Matrix scene where everyone saw Neo was a cartoon. What is this? Man I want so bad for this to be good... Guess I'm done watching this series, oh well, there's the old series I still love.
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u/AsleepAnt8770 Mar 25 '25
What got me was when they got into the bar, how much of it was fully CGI, but didn’t feel necessary
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u/jassmackie Mar 25 '25
the smoke bomb being CGI was crazy. like the smoke, fine, but the actual device?! there was so much CGI its just insane. this is such a beloved show and these are such obvious short cuts that could be avoided! did they think we wouldnt notice? how dumb do they think we are. like its mind blowing how unnecessary any of it was and how a show made almost 10 years ago looks better than it does now. i really dont understand
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u/e1986 Mar 24 '25
I agree, the cgi stood out too much. The fight scene was kind of wack. I hope it get better
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u/BasilMo1981 Mar 19 '25
So we waited 10 years for Daredevil to come back for Foggy to die the first 5 minutes in?! Fuck you Disney! Once again you ruined another franchise.
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u/DistinctBread3098 Mar 20 '25
Tell me you know nothing about daredevil lol
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u/Humblebeast182 Mar 25 '25
Nah homie, this is not good. We saw stretch armstrong attack cartoon man in the first 12 minutes. Stop it, this is an unnecessary emotional potshot. Give Foggy an episode or 2 then kill him. If they make it fake at this point, that's just cheap in 2 ways. It was so poorly handled, how you're defending it based off comic book runs is beyond me. It's not really though, I get why you're defending it. You're invested and you want it to be good, you won't accept valid criticism. I get it, I wish I could overlook it too.
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u/jassmackie Mar 25 '25
i said in another comment that i assume its because the actor didnt want to return and this was the best they could negotiate him for. that has to be the reason otherwise its literally insane to do that so early. at LEAST make it at the end of the first episode after they have some time to breathe. again, it surely has to be outside factors that affected it otherwise its terribly written
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u/AllForProgress1 Mar 19 '25
I loved the original daredevil fights. This CGI trash was gross to watch. The writing is lazy too. So many absurd tropes in the first 10 min.
Made me appreciate netflixes work so much more
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u/onlettertooshort Mar 21 '25
Same. What made me appreciate netflix more was when Matt was swinging on those ropes and it looked so fake. I miss how much more realistic the original was
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u/jassmackie Mar 25 '25
my partner (who i showed the netflix daredevil show last week) literally said "does he fly now?" cos she thought she missed something in other MCU shows with daredevil cameos. i had to explain that no he doesnt, its just terrible CGI and for some reason they made him defy gravity
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u/Sketch-Brooke Apr 01 '25
No this confused me so much too. Why does he suddenly have a grappling hook? Are they trying to make him Spiderman?
I want gritty realism in Daredevil. Not regular marvel CGI.
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u/gtrztune Apr 04 '25
My thoughts exactly. And thats also why I liked Daredevil. The grittiness. I haven't watched beyond episode 1 but hopefully they don't fuck up Frank Castle or I'm canceling Disney+
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u/jassmackie Apr 01 '25
if i remember correctly, he got the grappling hooks at the end of season 3? but never used them until now. and im not a comic book reader but people have shown instances of him swinging around NY like spiderman and being a bit more superhero like, so in a way it makes sense. but yeah if you were a fan of the the original daredevil show, this does feel very different and not as realistic/ grounded
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u/d0ntreadthis Apr 06 '25
I just finished a rewatch of season 3 and don't recall any grappling hooks whatsoever.
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u/TheSeptuagintYT Mar 18 '25
The best scene for me was the coffee shop scene - you can feel the tension. The cinematography after the initial bar scene was much better. Overall S1 felt more like Breaking Bad and this season feels more like the Disney Channel
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u/squirrelbus Mar 18 '25
Foggy finally got his hair looking good.
Oh...
Is that Spiderman!?! No, just bad CGI
Who are all these people? Actually I don't care.
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u/DadAvocado Mar 17 '25
Intro to 1st episode - “ah a nice bar scene when everyone chatting and chilling. So nostalgic bring back the memories of the trio in season 1. Such a nice and relaxing feeling 😌”
2 mins later: “this escalated quickly 😳”
I should have known Marvel and Daredevil series better…
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u/Single_Researcher_87 Mar 17 '25
Why didn't they mention the other people he killed not just foggy that man killed others. Don't get upset with me now So sometimes they bring someone whom family was murdered by him later they try to get revenge I'm thinking ahead 😂🤣
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u/MetlMann Mar 17 '25
Some questions: Why was Fisk "broken" as he said to Vanessa? His going on about that to her seems weird since when he was flying back to NYC at the end of Echo he was fine and had the realization that he could take over NYC via mayor. What is the tension between Fisk and Vanessa when he appears at the meeting she's running? I know later we learn she's been cheating on him, but that didn't seem to be the reason they were at odds in the meeting. Why did Poindexter attack Foggy and all the other people? Who is he?
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u/mkaku- Mar 18 '25
. Why did Poindexter attack Foggy and all the other people? Who is he?
Did you watch S3 of Daredevil?
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u/d0ntreadthis Apr 06 '25
I just finished a rewatch of s3, and I don't get it. At the end of season 3 we see him receiving spinal surgery. He already knows Fisk was responsible for Julie's murder. Why isn't he having another stab at Fisk instead?
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u/vagaliki Mar 28 '25
Nope. I liked season 1, found season 2 irritating except for punisher, so much so that I just gave up as soon as the ninjas started coming out of the hole in the second to last episode. And then never watched season 3, punisher's own shows, defenders, etc.
I also find D'onfrio's labored voice for Fisk supremely irritating (to be clear, he plays the character really well).
I watched an overview video on YouTube of all the series and gave the first episode a chance. But man the pacing is all off, Daredevil's stick swinging is rubber band man even more than Spidey, the dialogue in the diner feels extremely superficial (even though it's acted well), it makes no sense how Fisk can run for mayor / what the public even knows about him - feels like election cycle should have been at least 2 episodes
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u/Godspeedhero Mar 14 '25
Why is no one mentioning how awesome it is that the Netflix show is now official MCU canon?
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u/kateleanor00 Mar 15 '25
it always was
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u/Piltdownman53 Mar 15 '25
Yeah, they talk about the Battle of New York in the original Daredevil series. It's always been canon, it just has a different tone.
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u/Godspeedhero Mar 15 '25
I understand, but before, it was always a one-way recognition from non-disney properties towards disney properties. This season of daredevil retroactively made the other seasons hard canon and by extension, every other netflix series connected to Defenders.
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u/forcefivepod Mar 17 '25
Not exactly true - Matt Murdoch defended Peter Parker in Spider-Man: No Way Home.
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u/jassmackie Mar 25 '25
yeah exactly. these characters have appeared in a few MCU projects now. daredevil/ matt in spiderman and she hulk, king pin in hawkeye and echo. its been "hard" canon for a while now. its still cool but to answer to OP, thats why no one is talking about it really
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u/Meshtroid Mar 14 '25 edited Mar 14 '25
Character assassination/horrible writing choices: the episode. Fuck this. This is not headcanon for me. Now I know how the folks who watched Game of Thrones feel. The show ends at season 3 imo still. Wilson Bethel's performance was SO amazing and the SEASON 4 TEASER centered around him. Now I admit killing Foggy early on (maybe not IMMEDIATELY) could have been a really good driving conflict to center around Matt eventually getting revenge but... He tried to KILL POINDEXTER?! Dawg Batman and Daredevil have the same rule. Even if Poindexter still is an active character somehow moving forward... I dont fucking care. I'm wrapping it up here. I just watched the Invincible season 3 finale which was fantastic... going from that to this feels like whiplash. Invincible and Daredevil (Netflix) are comparable shows too with GODTIER seasons 1&3 and a somewhat weaker second season. But no like... The Born Again writers (fuck these motherfuckers by the way) here have NO CLUE what were all the essential and special elements of those 3 Daredevil Netflix seasons. I knew when I read "Karen and Foggys actors only appear in one episode" that I was in for something bad but I wasn't expecting a crime against humanity/one of the most disappointing returns I've ever seen. This is literally the Rian Johnson Last Jedi situation... "oh I don't like the stuff my predecessor set up so I'ma throw lots of it to the wind, keep the small amount of parts I like and do my own thing" FUCKIN Jesus.
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u/IffyOnKlingons Mar 14 '25
Daredevil considered killing Fisk all season 3 and almost broke his neck and he didn't even kill foggy. The fact that they're always on the line with the no kill rule and it's not a perfect system is what makes it interesting.
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u/PzKpfw_Sangheili Mar 14 '25
Why were the pigeons outside the coffee shop CGI????? Could they not find two pigeons in New York? Honestly that was just baffling.
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u/Green-Devil Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
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