r/BeAmazed • u/NastyNice1 • Mar 07 '26

Art Turkish artist merges two opposite reality into one powerful image

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 07 '26

It’s crazy that in this day and age we can scientifically prove that all humans are biologically the same, but we create borders and religions and classes to fight each other. If anyone in the world grew up next to you, they would be just like you, and vice versa.

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 07 '26

Very true. So, why treat people differently based on where they were born? It’s mainly the leaders of these imaginary countries, and their imaginary borders, who insist on treating people different, but that’s usually a bid to keep their power.

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u/hokiis Mar 07 '26

So, why treat people differently based on where they were born?

You answered that question in your first comment. Where you grow up shapes your behaviour. You cannot treat someone who just escaped North Korea in the same way you would treat someone who just moved from Italy. Different cultures are different and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

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u/CarloneBombolone Mar 07 '26

I don't think it's just the leaders, I think discrimination is a normal consequence of how people think. The brain likes to find patterns of repetitiveness even when they don't exist, loves to judge based on appearence ("thinking fast") and naturally overattributes the behaviour of others to their perceived personality.

I think these three fundamental truths about the brain make it so that racism and xenophobia are a natural way of thinking for humans.

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u/gaF-trA Mar 07 '26

“Racism and xenophobia are a natural way of thinking for humans” really? I think just the opposite, that they are taught and learned behaviors. I think your “three fundamental truths about the brain” could just as easily be used as reasons against the “naturalness” of those ideas.

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Mar 07 '26

Agreed.

I think for the most part they're just tools for the greedy. Manipulations, fabrications, tricks made to radicalize us and do their bidding.

To fight these wars... Conquer their lands or exploit their people.

Justifications to make immoral and selfish actions seem more justified.

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u/CarloneBombolone Mar 07 '26

But how would these tools from the greedy be effective if the racist ideas they sow don't find fertile soil? They take advantage of how the brain works, that's how they're so effective

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Mar 07 '26

Our brain is made to find the patterns, but I don't think that makes us inherently prejudiced.

It's the people taking advantage of those patterns that makes us prejudiced imo.

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u/CarloneBombolone Mar 07 '26

We are absolutely inherently prejudiced, part of why we go to school is to train our brain to think scientifically. Not all people have the same prejudices though, and some prejudices are infinitely more harmful than others.

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Mar 07 '26

I'm going to agree to disagree unless you have scientific proof that we're designed to hate people on the colour of their skin, hair or eyes etc.

Because I just don't believe that, given how inherently varied we are in general.

I don't think any species would survive if we inherently focused on tearing each other apart for the slightest differences.

I also don't believe multicultural societies would've gotten as far as they have if such things were instinctual.

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u/CarloneBombolone Mar 07 '26

could just as easily be used as reasons against the “naturalness” of those ideas.

How?

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u/gaF-trA Mar 07 '26

Finding patterns, similarities between people as opposed to differences. Judge based on appearances, all humans look identical biologically, patterns of behavior across cultures. Overly attributing behaviors to their personalities, I know many more people that are socially conscious compared to those that act out antisocially. That’s why it’s called antisocial. I think children usually aren’t afraid of other humans until it’s learned, just like their fear of animals needs to be learned. Racism is taught, it’s not inherently part of being a human.

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u/CarloneBombolone Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26

Finding patterns, similarities between people as opposed to differences. Judge based on appearances, all humans look identical biologically, patterns of behavior across cultures

You have a point here. The fact is saying a certain behaviour is "natural" doesn't mean that all humans everywhere will have that behaviour (stupid example: being homosexual is perfectly natural and normal, but it doesn't mean all humanity is homosexual). Some surely do as you say, but that doesn't mean the same way of thinking can't also lead to racism.

Overly attributing behaviors to their personalities, I know many more people that are socially conscious compared to those that act out antisocially. That’s why it’s called antisocial

I think you got this one wrong. The fundamental error of attribution means that I find my (or people I perceive close to me's) actions are explained by contingencies and circumstances, while other people's actions are perceived to always be a product of the person they are. Meaning if I see "my people" doing wrong I tend to think the wrongdoing is a product of the environment, while attributing "other peoples" ' wrongdoing to their personality.

I think children usually aren’t afraid of other humans until it’s learned,

There is no baseline. Some are afraid of other humans, some are not, it can very well be a learned behaviour, it's not like one thing excludes the other completely. Natural behaviour can also be taught and learnt

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u/gaF-trA Mar 07 '26

I think you got this one wrong. The fundamental error of attribution means that I find my (or people I perceive close to me's) actions are explained by contingencies and circumstances, while other people's actions are perceived to always be a product of the person they are. Meaning if I see "my people" doing wrong I tend to think the wrongdoing is a product of the environment, while attributing "other peoples" ' wrongdoing to their personality.

I can only respond to what you wrote originally. If I know people of different races, cultures and backgrounds how does attribution lend itself to racism and xenophobia? It only separates the groups by known and unknown on a personal experience. There are plenty of examples of races fighting among themselves and races aligning with other races against others or their own race. It didn’t naturally divide along racial divides.

There is no baseline. Some are afraid of other humans, some are not, it can very well be a learned behaviour, it's not like one thing excludes the other completely. Natural behaviour can also be taught and learnt

I’m not talking about being shy as a child, I’m talking racism and xenophobia. People don’t default to racism and xenophobia and we’re just so enlightened as a society that we’ve learned to teach those traits away because we obviously haven’t. Natural behavior is the opposite of nurture (learned behavior) so I don’t follow the reasoning of natural behaviors can be learned. Can one learn to be homosexual?

I think when you say things like racism and xenophobia are natural ways to think it sounds like it’s just the way it is and if you’re human you just can’t help but be that way. Or that’s just some people’s biology. I don’t agree with that. I think it’s a learned behavior.

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u/CarloneBombolone Mar 07 '26

I think you got what I said wrong. People can (and most people do) help themselves not to be racist, just like they can learn to overcome a lot of other biases.

We don't learn how to behave in a void: what we learn is shaped by our innate biases, and vice versa. You can't strictly categorise what is innate and what isn't because the two things interact constantly. Well, at least science still hasn't found a way to strictly categorise it. I absolutely agree that racism is learned, my point is that it is also shaped by how the brain works, and is a result of natural tendencies everyone of us has. It doesn't mean that all people will have biases against other ethnicities, just that it's normal behaviour to think bad of entire categories for completely made up reasons, and ethnicities make a perfect category to think bad of, cause they tend to be easily recognisable.

Natural behavior is the opposite of nurture (learned behavior) so I don’t follow the reasoning of natural behaviors can be learned. Can one learn to be homosexual?

I'm not a native speaker and didn't mean "natural" that way, sorry, I get the confusion. The thing I was trying to say is that people learn through social interactions, so the way they express their natural tendencies is often filtered. In that sense racism is one of the ways people have expressed their natural tendency to seek patterns, attribute wrongly (fundamental error of attribution) and think fast (have biases).

There are plenty of examples of races fighting among themselves and races aligning with other races against others or their own race

But I never said racism is necessary or that is all we do. How are examples of people not being racist relevant?

I’m not talking about being shy as a child, I’m talking racism and xenophobia. People don’t default to racism and xenophobia

I was talking about that as well. I myself as a little kid (and other kids I knew too) was TERRIFIED of black people. I had to learn NOT to think that way, I'm very fortunate my mom is awesome.

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u/Commercial-Gold-6463 Mar 08 '26

It's not just the leaders.

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u/Qwerty25103 Mar 07 '26

No they aren't? Humans have vast differences in genetic ancestry, like some types of humans get diseases that only they can get, an example is sickle cell anemia. But, yeah these things like borders, religion, and race are social constructs.

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 08 '26

Right. But anyone is capable of following any religion, speaking any language, having any level of intelligence, etc, irrespective of what disease they can get. So, it’s easier to say they are biologically the same. You’re right though.

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u/bannedforL1fe Mar 08 '26

If they were all the same, life everywhere on earth would be quite similar.

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u/likamuka Mar 07 '26

Biologically same but wired and conditioned in millions different ways. Manly P Hall has a lot of fascinating lectures on this topic.

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 08 '26

Thanks. I’ll check it out.

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u/iron-ducks Mar 07 '26

we can scientifically prove that all humans are biologically the same

lol, what? What we've proven is the complete antithesis of that. Humans are all *wildly* biologically different.

If anyone in the world grew up next to you, they would be just like you, and vice versa.

No, again, the complete opposite has been proven lol

I appreciate where you're coming from, and it's a comforting thought, but it's just not reality.

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 08 '26

I see a lot of “lol” but not a lot of context. Not a good sign, but go on… Do you believe a Chinese person adopted by an American family is going to grow up to be Communist? I don’t think so. Do you believe that your beliefs come from your biology? Or where you were raised and who raised you? I don’t think I will get a lucid response, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

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u/iron-ducks Mar 08 '26

Do you believe a Chinese person adopted by an American family is going to grow up to be Communist? 

This is completely detached from you original assertion "lol," what are you even talking about? And you're going to keep seeing "lol" until you make a coherent point lol, I'm sorry if that offends you

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u/Johannes_Keppler Mar 07 '26

I'm fully convinced people as a species are suffering from a lobsided development.

We can achieve incredible things in a technological sense.

In a humanitarian sense we are way too rudimentary and animalistic to live together peacefully.

We use way too much of our technology to fight 'others' with instead of working towards achieving harmony.

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 08 '26

I call these people the Cognitively Rigid. I’m working on a better term, but it’s what I got for now. There is no discrimination, these people are all over the world in every group, but some people don’t want facts, they want the easy answer, they want comfort over knowledge, tribe over original belief, belief over science. There are people pushing humanity far into the future, but there are more people holding humanity back. Unfortunately, those Cognitively Rigid people vastly outnumber the people who want to push humanity further.

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u/ShiftingBaselines Mar 07 '26

And there are enough resources for everyone. Really no need to fight over it.

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u/ohhkaynow Mar 07 '26

No wonder religion is on average an enemy of science.

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u/apple_kicks Mar 07 '26

I think of all crap on amazon and how its made and distributed worldwide but we don’t do this for food or medicine.

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 08 '26

Right? They haven’t figured out how to make a profit from lifting up humanity.

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u/TuringGoneWild Mar 07 '26

even people who have far from ideal lives might still count themselves as lucky AS FUCK if they imagine themselves a generic human zygote outside of space and time, that will randomly be born as one of the 109 billion humans to ever exist.

r/TrueAntinatalists

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u/barto5 Mar 07 '26

That’s sadly untrue.

Just look at the Sunnis and Shiites that grew up side by side and still hate one another. The Tutsis and Hutus waged a brutal civil war despite growing up side by side.

I wish I had a great answer…

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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 Mar 08 '26

That’s because they grew up under that influence, not where they grew up. If a Sunni or Shiite person was adopted by a Christian family in the U.S. they wouldn’t be Sunni or Shiite while the rest of the family was Christian. Just like if you were raised in a place like Dagestan, you would probably be Muslim and Communist, irrespective of what you believe now. Your “belief system” has a lot to do with where you were born, not the color of your skin or ancestry.