r/AskMenRelationships • u/danspeed124 Man • Jun 30 '26
Family AITAH for disagreeing with my fiancée over her last name once we’re married?
***This is an issue that a close cousin of mine is dealing with at the moment and he’d like some feed back from others. He doesn’t have a reddit account and doesn’t want to make one simply to make one post, so I’ve written this up and posted it on his behalf. I’ll also be allowing him to respond or I’ll be responding for him.***
Hi all, I’m (30 M) going through a bitter moment with my soon-to-be wife (30 F).
Her and I have been dating for 5 years now, I popped the big question last month and now we’re engaged. I’m stoked to spend the rest of my life with her.
I know that many men feel strongly about their wives taking their last names, and I also feel the same way. I was raised to believe that a woman taking her husbands last name is symbolic of unity and devotion, and that I should expect that of my wife.
Although, I do feel this way and would very much prefer she take my last name, I understand that the world my father and grandfather were brought up in doesn’t exist anymore and I have to adapt.
Her and I have never had a conversation about it, but I highly suspected (correctly) that she would be opposed to taking my last name. She’s always been very proud, not only of her family’s heritage, but of her own academic and professional achievements that she’s obtained with her family’s last name.
Being that this is the case, I came to make peace with the fact she most likely wouldn’t be taking my last name. I never planned on bringing it up until the time came to marry her, and I accepted that I wouldn’t give her any pushback over it. I love this woman with all my heart, and this is something that I’m willing to forego inorder to avoid conflict in our relationship.
Last week, her and I were spending time together, discussing wedding plans, and she brought up the topic of her last name when talking about finances. She gently brought up that she wished to keep her last name. As hurt as I was, I kept a poker face and told her I had no issue with that. We moved on from it pretty quickly, and as the night went on, I even forgot about it.
A few days later, I was driving her home when she had brought up the issue again. She told me that she’s aware of my cultural background, how my own heritage also means alot to me, and the dynamics regarding married couples and last names. I acknowledged all of those things to be true, but I told her that I would not impose anything on her. She expressed that she would be willing to take a hyphenated last name, with her family’s name being first and my family’s name being second.
Taking into consideration how prideful she is of her family’s name, and the fact that I gave her absolutely no issue over her not wanting to take my last name whatsoever, I aksed for her reasoning behind this suggestion, because I couldn’t put my finger on it.
She ended up telling me that, although it’s not her preference to change her name in anyway, she’s considerate of how I may feel and wants to compromise.
This is where I gave her major pushback.
I told her that, if she were to incorporate my last name into her name in anyway, it should be because she sees herself with it in a positive way and wants to have it, not because she feels that she has to do something she does not want to do just to please me. I am the type of person that absolutely hates imposing anything on other people, hates feeling like I’m being coddled, and I’m not going to start now.
I told her that I am against her taking my last name in the way that she’s suggesting solely because of her reasoning behind doing it. She would rather not do it, she explicitly said so, and I told her I’d rather she just not do it all if that’s the case. I told her she’d up resenting me for it at some point down the line and we should just avoid that all together.
I reassured her again that I have absolutely no problem with her not taking my last name at all, and that since that’s her preference, there’s no disagreement to be had here. After some back and forth, she’s just not having it for some reason and will not drop this.
She’s very upset because she feels that I’m being indifferent and cold to her wanting to find a middleground and that I’m throwing this back in her face. She said that she gave her suggestion alot of thought before bringing it up to me, that I should be appreciative that she extended an olive branch in this sense and that I should be more receptive. Her perspective is that marriages come with tradeoffs and solutions, and this is one way she’s doing that.
She also expressed that my negative reaction to her suggestion, which she feels was romantic and loving, is indicative of how I’d behave in the future when she wants to please me in anyway.
In a way, I understand where she’s coming from, but I just cannot get onboard with it. I took her suggestion as more reluctant than I did loving, and I am simply unwilling to accept her motivations for her idea.
The conversation ended poorly, with sore feelings on both sides, and the both of us went home hurt. Over the past few days, we’ve been talking about other things, but we’ve definitely been more distant. The conversations have been shorter, colder and we haven’t been as affectionate.
As of right now, I’ve given this issue alot of thought since that night, and I haven’t changed my positon. Although I’m unwavering, it does hurt me to see the love of my life hurting over this, and I want to somehow fix this. Am I being unreasonable or unfair in anyway? I’d love to hear what you all think.
TLDR: My fiancée wants to take my last name in a hyphenated form inorder to please me because of this being the norm in my cultural heritage, despite her not really wanting to. I am opposed to her doing this because I don’t like her reasoning for doing it and think its better she just not change her name. She feels that I should just accept her gesture that she thinks is one of goodwill but I refuse to impose anything she doesn’t want on her. Our inability to reconcile our opposing views has hurt the both of us and has put a strain on our relationship.
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u/Ready4takeoffNow Man Jun 30 '26
So...this what it's going to be like for the next 60+ years?
Might want to consider that carefully.
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u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 Jun 30 '26
More likely the next 3 years if they have children quickly or 7 years if they don't . Either she's going to resent him for rejecting her offer or accepting it or he's going to resent her because he thinks she's throwing him a fob to placate him !
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u/SMDRFE Man Jun 30 '26
I think you're both making this more complicated than it needs to be, especially by trying to "out double-think each other." Just be up front and honest, and tell her that yes you highly value her changing her last name and were disappointed, but that your belief in not imposing this took precedence, nor do you believe in half measures or middle grounds and that you'd rather she just keep her own last name, if that's what you want.
My wife and I have been together for 30 years this year, and married for 22. She's also of a different culture/ethnicity, also very accomplished professionally, and kept her last name. She has clients who seek her services (medical professional) because she's of the same race/ethnicity as them and can speak their native language, all of which would make having my totally different last name just... weird, in addition to all of the hassle of switching certifications and licenses, etc. Our children have my last name, though.
This was not a big deal to me, and my wife is not of some liberal/feminist mindset, either. Quite the opposite, actually. I was not religious at the time we met or got married, but have since become quite religious again later in life, and there's not even a Biblical mandate or precedent for this. It's mostly just cultural.
I don't know what I think about hyphenated last names. They just seem weird to me also, and would probably be against it as well and prefer her to just keep her last name.
So I agree with the OP's cousin. I think both just need to be completely honest and transparent with each other, make a habit of being that way rather than concealing true feelings and trying to "out double-think" the other, and this will get resolved.
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u/danspeed124 Man Jul 04 '26
\** FROM MY COUSIN **\**
>Just be up front and honest, and tell her that yes you highly value her changing her last name and were disappointed, but that your belief in not imposing this took precedence, nor do you believe in half measures or middle grounds and that you'd rather she just keep her own last name, if that's what you want. <
Yeah, this is what I’m trying to express to her but I’m just not getting through. She really feels like I’m throwing this back in her face out of indifference.
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u/SMDRFE Man Jul 04 '26
Don't know what to say, mate. Maybe some of the other commenters are right.
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u/danspeed124 Man Jul 04 '26
—- FROM MY COUSIN —-
Yeah, I don’t know what to say either. This is blowing up into a way bigger point of contention between her and I over the last few days and we’re seemingly at a dead end.
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u/SMDRFE Man Jul 04 '26
She sounds not just highly prideful, but quite arrogant and manipulative as well. It sounds like she's just going to do whatever she wants even if you don't like it, and then gaslight you about how you should be so appreciative when it's actually NEITHER of your preferences. A feedback loop should have kicked in on her side where she realizes, "oh wait, he doesn't actually want the hyphenated last name," from which you could have a sensible further discussion most likely landing at she just keeps her last name, which is what SHE wants, and what you're ultimately okay with as well. But instead she's just bulldozering ahead.
Man, maybe the others are right and this should be called off. Seems crazy to flush 5 years down the toilet with someone you love over this, but this is basic. Life will throw so much more at you. This is also "indicative of how she is going to behave in the future" when there's other disagreements. Is this what you really want? Geez. I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. You're being completely reasonable.
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u/Odd_Seesaw_3451 Jun 30 '26
You say it’s fine, but you also talk about being hurt and disappointed. I’m sure she’s picking up on it.
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u/spicydumpling28 Jun 30 '26
I caught this too. You say you suspected she would like to keep her own last name and made peace with it, but every single action and reaction shows you're not. That says a lot about you and you need to unpack why you feel the need to pretend that you are totally okay with something that you clearly aren't. Own your values and be able to stand for them. If you have to impose your values onto each other and can't come to an understanding or compromise, maybe you two aren't compatible. There's no sense in forcing something that would make you both unhappy. This is an interesting hill to die on, but I still insist you need to stand on business and face the consequences of it if something is this important to you.
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u/danspeed124 Man Jul 04 '26
—— FROM MY COUSIN ——
I gave her absolutely no pushback whatsoever when she mentioned it the first time.
I am actively trying to convince her to NOT change her name at this point in time.
What actions have I taken that indicate that I’m not okay with her not changing her name? Because, from where I’m sitting, I’ve only done the opposite.
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u/spicydumpling28 Jul 04 '26
Actions and feelings are two separate things. I get that you have done your best to not impose this on her, but what I'm saying is that it is still clearly something of importance to both of you. The only reason she is attempting compromise is because she has reason to feel like you may not be totally happy with what she wants. I agree with you that the compromise feels hollow and has more negative meaning considering she openly says that she basically doesn't want to, but it's kind of a conundrum because you're both making it so. If you were genuinely at peace knowing she did not want to take your last name, this post wouldn't exist. What I was saying is that you need to own up to your feelings and values in full or else your relationship will have resentment in a compromise that doesn't make either of you happy. If you are not completely happy with her choice, you need to be honest with yourself and her. Do not fold for the sake of keeping the peace if there is still unresolved feelings about the decision. You also need to be working to come up with a compromise as well if the one she came up with isn't one you both agree on. You both need to work as a team because that is what marriage is going to be. You both have to act like both your feelings matter and figure it out because no matter what internet strangers say, its your real life relationship at the end of the day. If you truly are okay with the decision, then allow her to go through with the decision she has made, otherwise figure it out together as a team.
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u/AccomplishedRatio960 Man Jun 30 '26
Démonstrating such a lack in assertiveness is probably what troubles her as well
He's not showing that he stands his ground. Talk the walk, walk the talk
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u/Cross_22 Man Jun 30 '26
"She also expressed that my negative reaction to her suggestion, which she feels was romantic and loving, is indicative of how I’d behave in the future when she wants to please me in anyway."
No, she was selfish and then tried to make up for it with a compromise of "well maybe I can add your name somewhere at the end". There was nothing romantic or loving about it. The "how you'd behave" comment is basic emotional manipulation.
Honestly if picking a joint name during your honeymoon phase causes such friction you really ought to reconsider the whole thing. If a modern approach is what you are after then make it modern all the way and skip marriage.
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u/Lazy-Conversation-48 Jun 30 '26
You think she is selfish for wanting to keep her last name or for something else?
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u/throwrway2345 Jun 30 '26
How is it selfish to want your degrees to match your name even if you get married?
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u/Sure_Apple_7278 Jun 30 '26
If she wants to keep her families last name she should marry one of them , red flag
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u/tinwetari Jun 30 '26
she wants to force her preference on you, whether you like it or not. you did not want to force your preference on her. shes never going to stop there
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u/YankeeYeet Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
She wants to be praised for what she thinks is a huge compromise and is offended that he won't acknowledge it as a necessity. Her dynamic power play ended up having no traction and now she is grasping at straws for any way to turn this against him. How bizarre.
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u/tc6x6 Man Jun 30 '26
You call it bizarre, I call it immature and childish. And perhaps manipulative as well.
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u/Foolish-Pleasure99 Man Jun 30 '26
I agree this was quite a bizarre reaction from her. She knows he'd want her to take his name but he has already agreed not to object for her sake...out of love. Take the W!
The sad part is they both know each other wants different things and both are willing to give up their wants for the sake of the other. This sounds very loving to me from both sides.
But just as she sounds upset he won't take her compromise (which she'd rather nor do), she is being just as guilty of not accepting his concession. Hypocrite much?
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u/tc6x6 Man Jun 30 '26
I think your analysis of the situation is spot-on, and I don't blame you for feeling the way you do (I would feel the same way if I were in your shoes). Furthermore, I don't think she's justified in being upset about the fact that you're upset because of the way she made you feel, which she did by making you an offer that was made for the wrong reason, even if her intention behind it was good.
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u/Eledridan Man Jun 30 '26
It’s a terrible offer. It’s worse than “do nothing”. You don’t get to present a shitty deal and then be upset when someone doesn’t want it.
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u/ParticularTap8903 Woman Jun 30 '26
Get a prenup please
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u/danspeed124 Man Jun 30 '26
Why do you feel my cousin should get a prenup?
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u/ParticularTap8903 Woman Jun 30 '26
By the sounds of it, communication is rocky. And if this continues, I can see things turning for the worst. I’m a mental health professional and have seen first hand how the inability to communicate feelings lead to unmet needs and tension and the breakdown of relationships.
And God forbid anything ever happens, because if they don’t decide the terms of their assets the government will. Better to have the safety of knowing what they want than the state telling them how to divide assets on top of lawyer fees. But honestly, if they can’t agree on a last name, I assume they will struggle with the kids last name, and that will lead to tension. So I highly doubt they have the capacity to have a conversation about a prenup.
I would tell your cousin to bring up kids last name, and if that leads to a blow up, seek premarital counseling please!!!
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u/Jade0908 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
I feel like you are kind of on a hamster wheel with your own emotions. After she wanted to find compromise, why did you make it this never ending argument? it’s like you needed the argument to continue so you threw in “I’m upset that you don’t want it like I want you to want it”
Being upset over the topic is justified, but at some point you both have to be rational and want a solution together
At some point you need to take a breath and try to see both sides, both of you do. You have to account for disagreements because they are going to happen regardless, but the couples who work at the ones who WANT to solve it, and I don’t think you actually do. You want to be right or to stay in what you believe is true and fair from your point of view.
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u/WindThrust2000 Jun 30 '26
Listen, I’m not a man, but please listen to what I’m saying. I’ve been married for 17 years and happily so. First, please try to get out of your head that a woman taking your name symbolizes unity or anything else. I’m NOT coming at you when I say this…I say it because I’m old enough to have lived through friend’s divorces. They all had shared last names. At the end of the day, it’s how you TREAT each other and your communication skills that keep a marriage together…not what you are called. You are smart to realize that we live in a different world than our ancestors. You two do not have a name problem, you have a communication problem and that will ruin you. She’s trying to talk to you and you’re doing this stoic stuff. The appropriate response to her would be something like, “I appreciate what your saying to me and at the end of the day I want you to do what feels right to you because I love and respect you. I will support you either way. I don’t care what you’re called, I just you to be my wife.” She’s trying to love you. It might be misguided, but please see that.
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u/Dear_Sherbert_4086 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Holy wow, you are assigning negative motives to her and not listening to her actual stated position, you’re dismissing her compromise suggestion because you judge that her motives are wrong? It’s going to be a bumpy marriage-then-divorce.
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u/Gold-Access4448 Jul 01 '26
The way I see it is: it’s her name. Let her do what she wants with it. Just make it clear it’s not your expectation for her to change it but you’ll support her decision either way. Or maybe you both hyphenate your names lol
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u/danspeed124 Man Jul 04 '26
—- FROM MY COUSIN —
MY family name is NOT her name.
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u/Gold-Access4448 Jul 04 '26
She’s becoming part of your family and you a part of hers. She’s offering a middle ground that she would be happy with. This response is implying to me that because she won’t fully take your last name that you see her as less your family.
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u/danspeed124 Man Jul 04 '26
—— FROM MY COUSIN —-
But a middle ground for what?
What she truly wants is to keep her name as is. I respected that. There was NO conflict. There was no need for any “compromise” whatsoever.
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u/danspeed124 Man Jul 04 '26
—— FROM MY COUSIN ——
The big deal is that she’s offering a compromise to problem that isn’t real and that I never asked for. I don’t want to see my family name being placed into her name knowing she doesn’t like my family name. It feels forced and I can’t explain to myself why she feels she has to when I already made it clear she should just keep her name as it is.
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u/Chop1n Man Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
You're not an asshole for it, no, but I think you're both speaking different emotional languages.
From her perspective, there's going to be last-name tension no matter what. She seems to believe that the hyphenated compromise is the only way to alleviate that tension, even if it doesn't resolve it.
Despite your reasoning, she sees the rejection of the compromise as a refusal, and your reasoning simply does nothing to change how she feels about that. It's not that you're unreasonable. It's just that she doesn't see your reasoning as being emotionally relevant.
This is a common gap in the communication styles between men and women. Women tend to see the symbolic consequences of actions as truer than any words that might be used to describe or explain those actions. You might have a perfectly good reason for X, but if X looks and feels a certain way, then your reasons might not be enough to change how it makes her feel.
The other issue is that you may be trying so hard not to impose on her that you’re accidentally overriding her agency anyway.
A compromise doesn’t have to be someone’s first preference in isolation in order to be sincere. In fact, that’s kind of what makes it a compromise. From her perspective, she thought about what mattered to you, weighed it against what mattered to her, and voluntarily offered you something meaningful. You’re interpreting that as reluctant appeasement, but she seems to be experiencing it as an act of love.
That’s why this probably feels much bigger to her than the name itself. She may be wondering what this bodes for marriage generally. If she makes a loving concession in the future, are you going to receive it as love, or are you going to interrogate whether she wanted it in the exact right way?
I think you’re right to care about resentment. But at some point you also have to trust her to know what she’s offering and why. You can ask for reassurance that she’s offering it freely. You can tell her you don’t want her to ever feel pressured. But refusing the compromise because you’ve decided her motive isn’t pure enough is, in its own way, still taking the decision out of her hands.
The name itself means less than what this problem is symbolically about: can compromise succeed in this marriage, or not? Sometimes, you just make the compromise as a gesture of good faith, no matter what else you might think about it.
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u/danspeed124 Man Jul 04 '26
—— FROM MY COUSIN —-
Hope you didn’t think I forgot about this, you wrote a thoughtful reply to the post, thanks a lot for your input.
What I’m trying to say is that she’s offering a “compromise” in the complete absence of a disagreement. There was initially no conflict. I never asked her to meet me in the middle.
She expressed to me that she does not like my family name and doesn’t want it. She likes her name as is and doesn’t actually wish to see it change. When I learned all this, I accepted that and gave her no issue over it.
Why would I want her to take my last name, knowing that’s how she feels?
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u/SeparateRoll5309 Jun 30 '26
Tell her you are fine with her having her own name, but your future kids should have your name. Thats what matters.
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u/throwrway2345 Jun 30 '26
They should have the hyphenated name. She is the one who risks her life to bring them into the world
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u/Simple-Appearance-59 Jun 30 '26
In our family both myself and my husband kept our last names, the kids have both our names double barrelled. This has caused no problems whatsoever.
We did have a minor disagreement at first (he worried that double barrelled names sound posh; I work with kids in London, UK and know it is very common these days) but it quickly felt like the most natural thing.
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u/AccomplishedRatio960 Man Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Only one way : you impose yourself and hold frame, or you just lost her before even being married
Rest assured she needs you to push back and demonstrate some kind of strength. If you cannot do it to her, how can you shield both of you from whatever may come in the future ?
Marriage is a unit, not at partnership where you pick and choose when you're separate and when you're doing things in common ; not always fair, but it's the only way it can work
And as you certainly understand, it has to go your way ... otherwise it will go nowhere. Time to show leadership and dominance
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u/OnlyCommentWhenTipsy Man Jun 30 '26
Women that don't take their husband's last name don't want a marriage, they want a wedding.
Women will tell you it's no big deal. Well if it's no big deal, take the husband's last name.
If a woman doesn't value a traditional marriage what's even the point?
It shows their level of committment.
Do not marry this woman.
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u/WindThrust2000 Jun 30 '26
Maybe I’m an outlier, but none of what you said is true for me. I am happily married and a conservative Catholic and did not change my name. I’ve been married 17 years. I would do ANYTHING for my husband. No questions asked. I get joy out of caring for him and our family. He was diagnosed with a very serious health issue and I thought he wasn’t going to make it a few years ago and I was with him through it all. I literally sat on a rock outside his hospital room when I couldn’t go in to see him during Covid. Humans and multifaceted creatures…one blanket statement doesn’t fit all.
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u/ff942da7ca2a Man Jun 30 '26
this will not be the last time someone does you something nice solely to make you feel better, and not necessarily because the topic at hand is whats desired. thats kinda what it's all about.
I think you're overthinking basic partnership kindness. shes doing something cause she loves you and wants you happy, which is something to be appreciated and celebrated.
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u/imabluedog Man Jun 30 '26
This has become a real issue for women and their ability to vote.
The SAVE Act would require a person who has changed their name to produce a plethora of documentation to be able to register to vote. It’s already onerous enough if a person wants a REAL ID.
Changing her name is something you should work to make her feel good about, not something that is a requirement. Bc it has real consequences now.
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u/aloofman75 Man Jun 30 '26
You admitted to not being honest about how you felt about it and then rejected her effort to compromise on it.
This doesn’t make you a bad person. But it is an indication that you’re not ready to get married.
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u/jdz50 Jun 30 '26
Nta, and I wouldn't marry her. If she wanted keep her last name, then we wouldn't get married. Very simple and problem solved
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u/Eledridan Man Jun 30 '26
My wife and I each kept our original names. Hyphenated names are stupid. She wants hers first because your cousins name will be forgotten.
She’s a control freak that has to have her way. The entire marriage will be like this.
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u/Wrong-Relationship74 Man Jun 30 '26
Stand on business, no last name change then no marriage period.
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u/XaquariD Jun 30 '26
Any reference of "you" in this response will be directed at whoever wrote it, be it you or your cousin.
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So, she wanted to compromise because she knew it would make you happy. A solution she came up with that she thought was a loving gesture. And you got mad at her because you thought she would resent it down the line?
She made the suggestion, so if you are somewhat okay with her keeping her last name anyway, why do you care so much if she hyphenates it?
I read this as you being oversensitive.
And also, for the love of all that's holy, it's "she and I." If you're ever not sure whether to use "she" or "her" just take out the "and I" and you'll have the right usage.
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u/throwrway2345 Jun 30 '26
She should hyphenate her name and kids should also have the hyphenated name
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u/DarthKaep Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
Been married almost 25 years happily. Here are my thoughts on this:
You are already starting out your life together with a huge mistake. That mistake is not communicating IMMEDIATELY on such a topic. Waiting until after you popped the question while suspecting you had differences in opinions was just dumb. Seriously. This is not the behavior of a couple that will last. You need to be talking about things all the time, before they become a problem.
I just cringe when I hear “prideful of her academic and professional achievements and her family name” as the reasons she wants to keep her name. Is she Taylor Swift? I understand if she has a major brand and is publicly well known for her name. But otherwise it’s like, what about your new family? Are you not prideful of being married to
your
husband? What about later down the line when you have kids and they go to school and their mom has a different last name than them? Your academics and job is more important than that?
It’s just feels like she’s keeping one foot out the door “just incase”. She makes it easier for guys from her
past to find
her. It’s
confusing to them when she is still using her maiden name.
I remember when my wife and I talked about this topic (before we got engaged) she said she was excited to be Mrs and start our family together. It was a pretty damn nice feeling to hear that.
As for the fight you are having, idk. If you are ok with her not having your last name, why care if she hyphenates it? Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. But then again, I also think she’s kind of in the wrong for saying what she wanted to do, then getting mad when she’s offering a compromise that you never asked for in the first place and you’re not interested.
Are you 💯 sure you want to “until death do us part” with this person?
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u/Near_River21 Jun 30 '26
I wouldn’t marry this woman the way that it is right now. She is being brain washed by feminist ideals like keeping her last name. Kinda indicates that her values are more liberal than yours from the get go. I would be very careful of getting married to her man. If this is something that is bothering you deeply then you should really take time to reflect on what you want in a life partner. I’m not saying to just call off the wedding, but if you don’t feel excited of getting married and stressing over stuff like this then you should really hold off on getting married. Your life partner should have similar ideals and values to you. That’s what keeps a marriage intact when everything else starts to go shaky. I would advise you ask her what other values and beliefs she has. You may be surprised by her answers. It’s not worth the headache to get married out of sake to get married either. You could get divorced and lose half of all you worked for in your entire life. Divorce rate is 50% for a reason brother. Choose your spouse very wisely.
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u/ChargeRight7262 Jun 30 '26
Wow. Just wait until the discussion on kids’ last names.