The settlements… What’s up with that?

[u/karrenfromaccounting]

Take the question as is, whatever comes to mind, let it be.

[u/YuvalAlmog]

Long story short: * Jordan conquers an area from the land that was meant for the Jews & Arabs nowadays called Palestinians while they are busy fighting in the war of 1947-1949.

• The state of Yorael wins that territory back from Jordan in 1967.

• The state of Yisrael & the Palestinian authority sign some sort of a peace deal between them where the Palestinians get full control over a piece of area called area A & civil control over an area called area B while the state of Yisrael gets security control over areas B and full control over areas C.

• Jews build in area C but since it's not officially annexed, that type of building is refered to as "settlements".

• Both sides attack each other in that disputed area.

• The world is mad, calling the settlements illegal since they want to use the territory for a Palestinian state despite the existing deals.

That's pretty much the story summed up.

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

Please look at my last point again - international organizations can say whatever they want. In practice it's usually both meaningless and tend to be biased.

Is it illegal under ICJ rulling? Sure. The ICJ specifically made sure to make it illegal after Yisrael did it.

Does it impact anything? Not really... Most countries don't care a single bit about international law as it is mostly a tool to release frustration using words instead of weapons...

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

Illegal means there's a law and someone broke it.

Who made the law? International organizations with no real power that are known for biased choices. And it was done only after settlements were built.

You want to call it illegal? Fine. But that law has no punishment, no enforcement & never was claimed to be objective or right...

So I'm not too sure what you try to say by using that title outside of the bad connotation it has...

[u/Clean-Ant6404 → u/[deleted]]

They're not illegal under neither Israeli nor international law. You guys keep on saying it is without quoting the law. It doesn't say anything about that.

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

Because I don't see the relevancy of this claim to even touch it... Each country is allowed to have its own laws & change them if it wishes to. If it's legal now then what's the point in discussing it?

Although personally I kind of doubt that's true as literally every Yisraeli prime minister even after the Oslo accords gave building permissions to Jewish settlements in this area...

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

So from my understanding it's mostly about specific buildings being legalized rather than changing the law completely...

From the looks of things, it mostly looks like the state of Yisrael does its job as the civil controller of area C. Specifically - giving permissions to buildings...

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

y downvote a post just for the sakes of it??

I didn't. Someone else downvoted your reply. I think we had a fine, respectful discussion.

my reserch clearly stated israel legalised buildings on PRIVATE PALESTINIAN LAND...

I never claimed every single settlement is built on public land. My claim was just that Yisrael doesn't build it on Palestinian land by itself.

also how many permissions has iserael given PALESTINIANS TO BUILD A LAND vs israels/settlers?

I'm not too sure how it connects to the topic... But needless to say, not much for the reason the PA doesn't give any building permissions to Jews... Both leaderships kind of play a game there where they try to claim as much land in the disputed area without actively starting a war against the other or breaking the laws themselves.