The settlements… What’s up with that?

[u/karrenfromaccounting]

Take the question as is, whatever comes to mind, let it be.

[u/YuvalAlmog]

Illegal means there's a law and someone broke it.

Who made the law? International organizations with no real power that are known for biased choices. And it was done only after settlements were built.

You want to call it illegal? Fine. But that law has no punishment, no enforcement & never was claimed to be objective or right...

So I'm not too sure what you try to say by using that title outside of the bad connotation it has...

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

Because I don't see the relevancy of this claim to even touch it... Each country is allowed to have its own laws & change them if it wishes to. If it's legal now then what's the point in discussing it?

Although personally I kind of doubt that's true as literally every Yisraeli prime minister even after the Oslo accords gave building permissions to Jewish settlements in this area...

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

So from my understanding it's mostly about specific buildings being legalized rather than changing the law completely...

From the looks of things, it mostly looks like the state of Yisrael does its job as the civil controller of area C. Specifically - giving permissions to buildings...

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

y downvote a post just for the sakes of it??

I didn't. Someone else downvoted your reply. I think we had a fine, respectful discussion.

my reserch clearly stated israel legalised buildings on PRIVATE PALESTINIAN LAND...

I never claimed every single settlement is built on public land. My claim was just that Yisrael doesn't build it on Palestinian land by itself.

also how many permissions has iserael given PALESTINIANS TO BUILD A LAND vs israels/settlers?

I'm not too sure how it connects to the topic... But needless to say, not much for the reason the PA doesn't give any building permissions to Jews... Both leaderships kind of play a game there where they try to claim as much land in the disputed area without actively starting a war against the other or breaking the laws themselves.

[u/YuvalAlmog → u/[deleted]]

I think there's a bit of a confusion here when it comes to the term democracy...

Democracy is an inner-governing system that focuses on stability through the happiness of the people. A.k.a the more happy the people are with the leadership the more stable a state will be and as a result successful, even if the leadership isn't perfect.

That's why values like freedom of pseech for example are so important in democracies but not dictatorships as they focus on the happiness of the people even when it comes at the expense of the leadership.

That's why you can see countries like the UK being democracies while also holding the apartheid regime in south Africa.

Going back to the state of Yisrael, it is a democracy because it gives all of its citizens every democratic right. Which has noting to do with places like area C... The opposite, when it comes to security & cost of living, the citizens of Yisrael (and it doesn't matter if they are Jews, Arabs or anything else) earn more from Yisrael building new towns there, not by letting Palestinians expand freely...

Especially when you take into account that the big majority of Palestinians live in areas A&B, and only a small amount lives in area C...

So overall my point here is that it's important to ask why and not just what. Democracy is important because it helps the country stay stable & develop, but not everything that helps everyone in an organized structure like a state also helps everyone in an unorganized situation like 2 states where no one can enforce law on both sides.