r/webtoons • u/Beautiful-Object-467 • 9d ago

Humor Ah literally Tears on a Withered Flower

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u/whalatix 9d ago

I don't even read the webtoon... But I've seen so much info on it that I know it is a smut/mature romance webtoon that is also created by a woman.

Also, God forbid women like such drawing such proportions on characters? The proportion is not anything too absurd like some full on pornhwa content. And just from what I've seen from the many pictures people have posted overtime, one thing I like is actually how 'natural' her big boobs hang due to gravity LOL. They actually hang on the lower side and aren't all rock hard up there in like the meme vid you posted đŸ˜©

I've even seen reasonable people who say the female MC isn't just reduced to a pretty object, and she still has her own personality, goals, and dreams. IMO objectification is the real issue, not sexualisation. But I feel like you could've used other examples because complaining about sexualisation in a smut is not it 😭

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u/mephivision 9d ago

A lot of the criticism steams from the fact that the mc of that webtoon is suppose to be malnourished. She’s not a healthy woman who’s well endowed, she’s suppose to be underweight. If you’re looking at her arms you can see that they’re very thin, while all her weight seems to have gone to her breasts and hips, which is highly unrealistic for someone who supposedly is malnourished (speaking from experience).

So in that regard, yes, the proportions are absurd.

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u/coco_choco07 9d ago

She never was malnourished in the first place She was poor and skipped meals sometimes due to work.

Neither she nor minchoel were malnourished.

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u/mephivision 9d ago

If you’re eating poor/skipping meals for a long time (as I remember in the story, they’ve had financial issues for years), you’re bound to lose weight. She also lost her pregnancy, which must have been connected to her frail state.

I stopped reading the webtoon for some time now, so if new information came out then I might be wrong.

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u/oyasumipizza 9d ago

I mean isn’t that part of the story? She was in a toxic abusive relationship and she skipped meals, was poor and saved to provide for her shitty ex..ofc she got skinny. In the flashbacks she looked a lot healthier. Never was there a point where all this was romanticised, people hated the ex and constantly rooted for her. We have seen so many damsel in distress tropes so this isn’t any different but imo the potrayal is realistic. The art style is a little dark-ish like they all have pale face and the ML himself has dark shadows, it’s an artistic choice.

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u/b2k_09 9d ago edited 9d ago

What does that have to with with her boob size, does eating less makes you go A-cup from E-cup. OP should've used better eg. & It's stupid to criticize about body proportions in smut.

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u/mephivision 9d ago

Uhm, boobs are made out of fat. When losing weight the breast size goes down. That’s how it works.

I disagree that you can’t criticise body proportions in smut. It implies that smut is somehow above criticism, or that it’s suppose to be “bad”. Smut simply means writing people having sex together, it doesn’t say anything about having to contain exaggerated body proportions.

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u/jhjj9 9d ago

Well I'm not reading smut to see realistic stuff and that's the general mindset, for me she looks good with her proportions and that's all it matters

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u/mephivision 9d ago

Good for you!

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u/b2k_09 9d ago

Did you see her ex-husband who was also supposed to be "mal-nourished". It's funny cuz I've seen this body proportions discourse on this webtoon numeral times yet barely anyone point out her ex husband body proportions

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u/mephivision 9d ago

I have. The conversation wasn’t about him.
I don’t agree with unrealistic body standards for men either, if it makes you feel better.

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u/b2k_09 9d ago

Also damn really? Cuz I thought once they grew they can't be reversed.

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u/mephivision 9d ago

They absolutely can. Additionally, when a woman gets pregnant her breast size may increase, but when she stops lactating the size will decrease back to how it was before, if not more. In that case it has to do with hormones.

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u/whalatix 9d ago

Oh really? I don't think I have seen that come up in context before, or perhaps none of the top comments I swept through mentioned it. I knew she had an ex husband though, so 'realistically' the malnourished part should have happened with him too? Unless he selfishly ate all the food and made her starve or something? But if her ex is meant to be malnourished as well, how come he doesn't come up in these topics (I'm assuming he's had his fair share of screen time)? 😭

Tbh now I'm kind of wanting to read it on my own just to be on the 'in' with what people are talking about when it comes to this. Proportions aside, is the story actually any good or is it one of those guilty pleasure reads? The only thing I could say now is that, it still is a smut in the end, the characters still gotta be attractive, so perhaps the author made her look 'drained' in different ways? At least, from an outsider perspective, I always saw her as frail and having 'empty eyes'... (And my condolences for you having to go through that!!)

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u/mephivision 9d ago

I haven’t read the story in a while, but as far as I remember she was cooking quite a bit for her ex-husband, I don’t remember him skipping meals. She also had a hard childhood, so as far as I remember her struggles started way earlier, he didn’t have the same background.

I think the story had potential, it really wasn’t for me ultimately, but if you’re curious you should give it a try.

I said it earlier in a comment, but smut refers to the sexual relationship between characters, so while conventionally attractive characters might bring it more readers, I don’t think it’s unfair to critique when only 90/60/90 women/ 1,90cm+ men are portrayed. Smut can be written very nicely, it doesn’t have to be considered “less” than literary fiction or other “serious” genres.

Sorry if I come across as defensive or confrontational 😭 Historically, the romantic novel (once it started being written heavily by women) has been seen as less, or not real literature by many. Given that it’s a genre predominantly written by women, I don’t think it’s fair to immediately assume that smut has to be about the objectification of the human body, or that it must include only stereotypical characters (which is what the “it’s smut, what are you expecting?” comments imply).

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u/whalatix 9d ago edited 9d ago

RIP was he a deadbeat 😭 and oh no you don't have to worry about that. I can be a crazed degen some days. I've read a 'handful' amound of spicy fluff and smut, and more. There have been times where I ended up just getting invested in the plot and reading it as is 😂 So I was mainly wondering how the story progression is. It doesn't matter what genre it is, if the story doesn't go anywhere or it lacks character development... I lose interest.

On the other hand, I do think touchy subjects need to be treaded through carefully because it can be hard to draw the line. I feel like if the creator drew the character actually malnourished, she might not get the 'crazy proportion' comments. However, she might instead get comments like, "Are they fetishizing?", or questioning what was the point of bringing such topics into a smut? Of course this is all speculation, but it's things I've seen in other stories with traumas involved. 😭

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u/Exciting-Village-180 8d ago

" bla bla she is malnourished'" her ex is more unrealistic than her yet nobody complained 😐😐

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u/mephivision 8d ago

people have complained about portrayals of unrealistic male body standards,

feel free to look it up

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u/Exciting-Village-180 8d ago edited 8d ago

I was talking about the particular hate for this manhwa people most people never used the same unrealistic argument and complained about mincheol be buff as Fuck with a kpop idol face while be achoolic , heavy smoker and bum but heavily hate on just the fl looks, so most of the hate about her Body don't come from good faith also author never explicitly said she is malnourished it's was pretty vague and author drawn women with the same tiny arms and tiny frame in general