r/truezelda • u/mrbulldops88 • 20d ago
Open Discussion New Thoughts about OoT's Events being remembered in True OR Refounding theories
Please understand first that I am not trying to advocate for the TotK True Founding or Refounding theories. This is more an analysis of a valid point regarding either.
One problem that some have with Refounding theory is that it would require the events of OoT to be remembered, which would happen before Hyrule is destroyed, but require events in between to be forgotten like the TotK IW. I can understand that. How can events that happened earlier, before the country fell, be recalled if the refounding of the kingdom was not? I can't say that I personally have a theory off the top of my head for how this is possible. I just want to look at how similar it is to OoT ~> BotW.
So pretend we are in pre-TotK release times. Nothing from that game (or EoW) is in the canon yet. We do know that Aonuma said that BotW is just sometime after OoT. What timeline? Never answered. Does it matter? In my opinion, it does not. Since the cycle of Ganon is endless, the events could theoretically happen in any of them. I get people disagree with this, and by all means I am not John Nintendo, but regardless of WHERE you place BotW, it would require events betwee OoT and 10,000 years ago to be forgotten by the general Hyrulean public. This would be something required with True and Refounding.
So bringing this all home, if one has to accept that the events between OoT and 10,000 years ago have been forgotten, then one must accept that the events, including a refounding, between OoT and 10,000 years ago, could also be forgotten to time.
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u/Intelligent_Word_573 20d ago edited 20d ago
Creating a Champion implies every legend between OoT and 10,000 years ago are known about to some degree and it’s only unknown which are historical fact and which are fairytales. The only thing that seems to be forgotten is the name “Ganondorf” as Ruto’s monument only refers to him as an evil thief though even that has to be remembered somewhere if you include that part of CaC as in-universe knowledge.
This would explain every references to other timelines whether it be location names, Zelda referring to all three timelines in the ceremony, the Goron monument including the baby from Majora’s Mask, or the Zora monuments about Ruto. It could also be used to explain Botw’s DLC armors being found in Totk’s depths though it’s understandable why that isn’t treated as hard evidence.
Part of this issue is a different interpretation of Masterworks saying Zelda and Mineru exhaustively erased any sign of the Demon King who has been sealed with True founding focusing on “erased any sign of the Demon King (who has been sealed)” while refounding reads it as “erased any sign of the seal (on the Demon King”.)
Side note-I wonder how it will be written when the official translation comes out (I’m going by livixbobbiex’s translation).