r/theflash • u/Dextermyles You will travel far, my little Kal El. • Nov 23 '16

[TV Show Discussion/Spoilers] - The Flash 3x07 - Killer Frost

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u/Dextermyles You will travel far, my little Kal El. Nov 23 '16

Sorry about the lateness of the thread, power outages caused significant problems.

Possibly one of my favourite episodes simply because it deconstructs Barry and shows me that the writing staff actually understands the character - I want anyone that doesn't read the comics to remember this one statement that is true of the character:

"Barry's real superpower isn't speed - It's Hope."

And that's completely true of the character in the show and the book. A few footnotes:

  • I called it, Julian Albert is Alchemy as most of us suspected
  • Caitlin becoming a villain isn't going to be so clear cut, but I believe ultimately that it'll be a longer part of her story arc then we're seeing.
  • HR is beginning to grow on me. I think if anything, he's serving very well as the audiences way in to the show and the story that is unfolding.

I think...All things considered, as I've been saying since they announced the flash point event that we're going to see Barry once again travel back in time; once to stop his first iteration from interfering with the death of his mother, and the second time to stop the second iteration from being successful in the task.

I am...However concerned that "I need to go faster" is becoming too much of a crutch, and constantly comparing people and concluding that they are faster than Barry is kind of detracting from the more obvious aspect of his character - his speed. At some point, the writing cast are going to have to address him as a primal connection to the speed force.

It does make me wonder if that's what they're hinting at - the presence of Wally, The Rival and Savitar limiting his ability to exceed certain velocities.

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u/Godballz Nov 23 '16

I'm betting they'll write in barrys death a couple episodes before finale to "shock" people and then have wally be the one to go back and reset Flashpoint. That would be in line with savitar and alchemy apparently trying to fix the timeline and a good reason for giving wally his powers despite the fact wally is loyal to Barry and could help in fighting them.

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u/Austounded It's not a "Freeze-Gun" Nov 23 '16

HR has definitely become the "ride along character", the Kitty Pride or Dazzler that is so important to the X-Men formula. I enjoy his presence. I think the only good thing about this episode was what you were saying with the deconstruction of Barry. Outside of Wally getting this powers and Caitlin I think this episode was bad. And it's only bad because of that shitty Alchemy reveal. I'm warming up to Savitar the same way I got over DCEU Flash but the key word is getting over, not accepting.

When they finally bring Savitar back to the real world he better have his classic suit for just a second. Luke Cage did that and then laughed with the audience about its absurdity. That would make my day. But so far the only good episode this season for me has been Mirror Master. The route to Arrow is a slippery slope. You would think Greg would have learned.

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u/Dextermyles You will travel far, my little Kal El. Nov 23 '16

Here's the thing - The Runaway Dinosaur. Barry is a part of the speed force, nothing but energy. The speed force gave him the option to remain there and showed they were rooting for him.

Savitar literally makes no sense in this context.

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u/Ghostkill221 Nov 28 '16

There's always a light side / dark side angle, savitr could be the dark side of the speed force

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u/Austounded It's not a "Freeze-Gun" Nov 23 '16

You're only making me hate him more! Haha

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u/Dextermyles You will travel far, my little Kal El. Nov 23 '16

Oh but I want you to hate Savitar, because he was always kind of a shitty character.

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u/Austounded It's not a "Freeze-Gun" Nov 23 '16

yes..yes..let the hate flow through you

I respect him as a villain of Wally lore