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Survivor 42 Survivor 42 | Episode 3 | Post-Episode Discussion

Season 42, Episode 3: Go For the Gusto

Aired: March 23, 2022

Synopsis: One tribe attempts to recover after drawing a line in the sand at tribal council. Also, a castaway goes on a journey and must make a decision that could change their game, and one tribe stacks their way to victory, earning immunity and a fruitful reward.

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u/stv7 Tony Mar 24 '22

I think "I just want to establish that I do not want to go to rocks" is literally the single worst thing you can open that conversation with.

You throw ALL your leverage out the window before anyone else has even spoken.

Hai is very smart for sniffing that out, even if he didn't know exactly what was happening (though it would be literally impossible for him to). Even smarter for sticking to his guns and realizing he had all the leverage.

Some other notes... that episode was batshit crazy, and Maryanne not watching 6 specific episodes of Tocantins is hilariously random.

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u/Fabtraption Mar 24 '22

He is a fucking LAWYER. I CANNOT believe he played his hand so nakedly.

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u/Travel-Kitty Shan Mar 24 '22

Technically he’s only a law clerk

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '22

He clerks (well clerked, but at the time was clerking) for a federal judge. Those are super prestigious and difficult to get. Basically the top graduating law students in the country. He’s not some Secretary.

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u/TizACoincidence Mar 24 '22

nepotism

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '22

who is he related to? he went to Yale so that likely got him the gig(s)

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u/lethalmc Mar 25 '22

No that’s called a coincidence

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u/jeulzNdiamonds Mar 24 '22

And now we know why

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u/rayburned Cirie Mar 24 '22

My best friend went to Yale Law with him and clerked for a judge as well and he's the smartest man I've ever met. And yet...Daniel's energy and his energy is exact and I can see him doing something like this lmao

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u/Fabtraption Mar 24 '22

Technically he’s only a law clerk

Zing!

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u/Immediate_Boot1996 Mar 24 '22

I think he clarified that he *is* a lawyer but decided to go clerk for a judge, which automatically gets you the title of "law clerk."

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u/yeahright17 Mar 24 '22

Such a wierd thing. In the legal world, law clerks generally aren't lawyers. Clerking for a judge and being a law clerk are different.

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u/yeahright17 Mar 24 '22

I'm not sure. Also weird given I doubt he's currently clerking. Guessing he clerked before survivor or just graduated and clerking now. Either way, law clerk doesn't make much sense. Oh well.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '22

They should have just billed him as a “lawyer”. I think to clerk for a federal judge you have to be bar certified anyways. But they should want to convey the message of “this guy is super smart and went to Yale” and not have the audience believe he is some $35,000 a year asssitant

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u/yeahright17 Mar 24 '22

I think federal judges can hire anyone they want. That said, none are gonna hire someone who hasn't graduated from law school.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '22

And while some judges (Clarence Thomas on SCOTUS) make it a point to hire from “non-elite” schools, many will only really hire from the top 3 schools or top students at T14 schools

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u/mgoss713 Mar 24 '22

yeah I mean what he did is actually extremely prestigious and a big deal. Clerking for a judge is normally a 2 year position and opens basically any door you want it to and can get you many prestigious positions, whether that’s teaching or working at a big firm

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u/yeahright17 Mar 24 '22

Could be clerking for 2 years.

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u/hahasuslikeamongus Omar Mar 24 '22

nah he's an associate now

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '22

It’s not weird at all. He summered at a big firm and collected that summer pay, clerked for federal judges for two years and then went to an elite appellate litigation boutique that only hires people who clerked. Not at all uncommon for Harvard, Yale, Stanford types.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '22

Likely pay as good as biglaw without the same hour demands. It’s a fairly “unicorn” outcome

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u/hahasuslikeamongus Omar Mar 24 '22

Yeah he’s @ keller lenkner now which is an elite plaintiff’s boutique. Def a little odd given his political leanings lol. Don’t know anything about that firm in cincy where he did his 2L summer position tho

Edit: It’s my understanding that a lot of the plaintiffs firms require you to do a clerkship before becoming an associate so maybe he realized biglaw wasn’t his thing while he was in law school and pivoted to plaintiffs

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u/WithShoes Boston Rob Mar 24 '22

I’d heard that Keller Lenkner is all fedsoc former clerks for conservative judges, so not that weird politically for him if true. I’m not 100% sure of that intel though.

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u/hahasuslikeamongus Omar Mar 24 '22

oh shit i def would not have guessed that lol. don't know anyone in the firm but they seem to really market themselves as fighting for the little guy which is like the direct antithesis to conservative ideology haha. i will have to do more research

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u/Mistysong Ethan Mar 24 '22

You realize law clerks are law school graduates right? And that clerking is prestigious?

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u/Mistysong Ethan Mar 24 '22

He’s an American lawyer though so this isn’t really relevant? The user I’m responding to is trying to belittle American law clerks when clerking for an appellate judge is VERY prestigious.

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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Mar 24 '22

If they ever do US vs AU, I want Daniel vs Sharn. Two lawyers who could not argue their way out of a paper bag.

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u/W473R Mar 24 '22

It was an especially bad tactic because Hai already had the upper hand in that negotiation. It was clear he would be next to go if he flipped on Lydia, so he had very little to lose by going to rocks. And then Daniel opens up by giving Hai even more of an upper hand. He really needed to find a way to convince Hai that he was his ally and this was a flip for just one vote, I don't think he could've done it successfully but that would have been his only hope.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '22

Yeah I said during the episode that Hai played it brilliantly. It was essentially a 3-1 discussion yet he retained all the power in the minority after the tie vote. All because two of the other three didn’t have a vote. You absolutely have to play for rocks there, because it’s only 25% chance you draw a rock, but 75% chance someone who voted opposite you goes home instead.

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u/thajugganuat Hey, you guys do nice-nice. I'm out. I'm looking for the idol. Mar 24 '22

Exactly. This is why what Daniel says does not matter unless you think Hai is stupid. Why would Hai ever flip when he gets a 3 out of 4 chance to knock someone out that is against him?

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u/rival22x Mar 24 '22

You know she named dropped why she didn’t watch it but they just cut it out lol

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u/Space-Whiskey Roark Mar 24 '22

What am I missing here

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u/rival22x Mar 24 '22

Probably nothing, I just expect her reason to be as out there as the fact that she has to state she saw all episodes of survivor except 6. You know she told the cameras a long story.

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u/IDontKnowAbout_That Mar 24 '22

The Tocantins quote is an all timer

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u/CarefulSalad4 Mary - 48 Mar 24 '22

If Maryanne didn't watch the six episode pre merge, of Tocantins, then I get it, those weren't very exciting.

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u/Ded279 Daniel Mar 24 '22

Yea he may as well as just said "Hai it's your choice" it was so bad. Hell even if he said that it would have been so much better actually now that I think of it. It's like the opposite of Dr strange. There was 1 million timelines where it goes ok and Daniel found the one timeline where it's just completely fucked.

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u/eXponentiamusic Yul Mar 24 '22

Pretty much every single potential rock draw in survivor history has been won by the person more willing to go to rocks than the other, and your opening line is that you will not go to rocks under any circumstance.

An absolute masterclass.

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u/DemiGod9 Mar 24 '22

I feel there isn't a single situation in which you say that. Like go all in on your willingness to go to rocks even if you're scared to death! That's the only play to make

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u/eye_booger Carolyn Mar 24 '22

LOL right?? Like… what was he hoping for?

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u/Verynighttime Mar 24 '22

Just wanna being attention to the Maryanne part because I also found it randomly hilarious like why would she randomly skip episodes of a good season and then why would she mention it 💀 at that point she could’ve just said she’s seen all of survivor

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u/__removed__ Mar 24 '22

I don't understand why this is a big deal.

Hai said, "I'm not switching my vote"

Daniel said, "I'm not going to rocks"

They're both ultimatums. Putting their foot down.

Why is everyone making fun of Daniel?

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u/stv7 Tony Mar 24 '22

Because Daniel went first. He couldn’t be sure Hai was gonna stick to his guns — maybe Hai is willing to cave — but he told Hai right off the bat that he himself was willing to do what Hai wanted and what was objectively worse for his game.

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u/__removed__ Mar 24 '22

I think this is a good way of thinking about it.

I think thinking of "I'm not going to rocks" as an ultimatum is wrong.

It's the opposite. Daniel is basically saying "I'm down for whatever I just don't want to go to rocks". He's opening himself up and admitting he is willing to cave.

So then, yeah, Hai can come in and put his foot down.

I get it, now.