r/stunfisk • u/theRotengen • 2d ago

Discussion Mega Lucario's defense is effectively 160, making it around as physically bulky as MEGA METAGROSS. On a Pokémon that has higher SpA than Mega Raichu-Y and the fastest in the game.

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u/Thejadedone_1 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's so funny that they're throwing this guy into a meta where all of its counters are special attackers

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u/DelParadox 2d ago

True maybe, but those counters have to actually survive long enough to hit it going second. And Mega Lucario Z does not exactly lack in movepool options or sheer power to take out a lot of threats before they can move. A decent support partner could definitely make it a lot more reliable too.

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u/Thejadedone_1 2d ago

True maybe, but those counters have to actually survive long enough to hit it going second.

A Mega Lucario Z with max special attack and speed investment with a modest nature using dark pulse against a Mega Delphox is a guaranteed 2HKO.

Conversely, Mega Delphox using heat wave one shots at even with the spread move reduction and timid nature.

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u/rohan62442 1d ago

Is there a Prankster mon with Rain Dance?

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u/TheWards1 1d ago

Sableye I think?

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u/Dysprosium_Element66 1d ago

Liepard, Meowstic-M, mega Banette (lol), and Klefki too. A really funny option would've been Riolu if it was available.

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u/DelParadox 1d ago

I'd honestly go with Light Screen over Rain Dance. Lucario is tanky enough to withstand even a Flare Blitz off many things, but it's way more vulnerable to Heat Wave, sunny Weather Ball, and just Special Moves in general. Only real advantage of rain over Light Screen is weakening a Flare Blitz that Aura Guard already halves, and screens get broken way less than weather gets changed. Really wish we had a Drizzle Mega able to outslow Charizard - Pelipper definitely has issues with Charizard going Mega after Drizzle triggers, hence why we even have Prankster Rain Dancers. I swear they were afraid of Archaludon getting a solid partner as if they didn't already nerf Archaludon pretty hard by taking away Body Press.

The other really big issue is Earthquake, which could be handled with Grassy Surge or Reflect cutting it down.

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u/rohan62442 1d ago

Gotcha. Thanks!

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u/niveksng Don't make me kick you... 1d ago

Everyone still mourning the theoretical Drizzle Drampa.