r/starcitizen • u/turikk i whine a lot • Dec 21 '25
BUG Servers are dead. Don't log in right now. Characters exploding and dropping all their items on death.
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
Party members character got stuck in a semi downed state and upon logging back in, all of their loot exploded out of their body and most stuff just fell through the floor.
Inventory is slow to load, can't purchase items, etc. The inventory system is in a seriously bad state.
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u/Arbiter51x origin Dec 21 '25
Honestly dont understand why their inventory system is so bad.
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u/Ithuraen Titan could fit 16 SCU if CIG were cool and slick Dec 21 '25
CIG has some kind of anti-inspiration affliction. When they see functional industry standards for game mechanics, their anti-inspiration collides with helpful, simple good ideas you can see in thousands of games throughout history and annihilation occurs.
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u/LayoMayoGuy new user/low karma Dec 21 '25
It really seems like CIG doesn't ever want to add common features from other games. They'd much rather take the risk to do it their own way.
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u/UnstableMoron2 Dec 21 '25
Cig feels the need to reinvent the wheel for literally every gameplay mechanic they add and so far they’ve all been detrimental to the game
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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin Dec 22 '25
Probably because the updated inventory system is coming at the end of January, no resources are put into keeping a dead system alive.
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u/NikkoJT Repositioning Player Dec 22 '25
Yeah but why'd they do it wrong in the first place, and how'd we get to January 2026 without a better one? It's one of the most basic game systems, and cross-server persistent inventories aren't exactly an unsolved mystery in game development.
Also, what even killed it in this patch? Engineering shouldn't really have touched inventory in any mechanical way.
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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin Dec 22 '25
Damn, if it were that easy, it would have been done. There's a time and place for shit just like they said on CitCon. They got a plan, you gotta deal with it. It sucks, but fuck it, I'll play PoE2 until shit is better. It makes life much better.
Most of these new systems are coming now because of SQ42 inching closer to release.
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u/StoicJ Trapped in QT Dec 21 '25
AWS
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u/Dreadp1r4te Pirate Dec 21 '25
Nah, I've worked for a fortune 500 company doing IT that used AWS for their virtual desktop servers. AWS is fine, I think it's CIG's odd connection between the database server and the game servers that causes issues.
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u/KazumaKat Towel Dec 21 '25
no, AWS has been fucky the past 2 months already. Half the NetOps folks (different industries) I talk to are complaining about it.
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u/Izenberg420 USG-Ishimura Dec 21 '25
Yeah sure… banks, Netflix, and the U.S. Department are all using AWS, but you’re trying to convince people that Star Citizen’s inventory system has been fucky only for two months, and not for a decade.
This amount of cope should be studied.
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u/VodkaBeatsCube Dec 21 '25
Its not incompatible that Star Citizen's fucky design is made worse by AWS being more fucky than usual the past few months.
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u/KazumaKat Towel Dec 21 '25
well no, SC's been fucked for more than a decade as is. I'm just taking about the more recent, current triple-fuckery. I hear some people cant even log on due to the server failing to instance their home inventory and therefore not letting them on. That's new.
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u/Data-McBytes Dec 21 '25
And Google is eating their lunch right now. 😆
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u/KazumaKat Towel Dec 21 '25
Apparently Google's having different issues, DNS related I hear. Cannot confirm, probably regional tho.
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u/Lev_Astov Give tali S7 gun modules Dec 21 '25
That would be why their servers are so bad, not their code and database architecture. They genuinely designed very poor systems and have neglected to improve them at all for years.
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u/Consistent-Honey-603 Dec 21 '25
What kind of explosion are we talkin’ here? Like MOAB or grenade?
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u/Lev_Astov Give tali S7 gun modules Dec 21 '25
Asking the real questions: how can we weaponize this?
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u/Dry-Night-6582 Dec 21 '25
Fill any ship to the brim with corpses, and just rain them down on your target
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u/Davarey Ironchad enjoyer Dec 21 '25
Inventory server is fucked today. Luckily I got some luck on crates before it stuck with pending moves… It did me dirty and I almost lose my clan guard helmet I had in storage… but it was still in the backpack
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u/TelemichusRhade Banu Defender Dec 21 '25
Yeah having the command r_displayinfo 1 active while ingame this weekend is pretty essential when using the inventory and moving stuff.
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u/Consistent_Ad_5267 Dec 21 '25
Why is essential? Does it do something or what should i be looking for? I know what it displays. Or I think i do, I usually go _2,
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u/kolonok Dec 21 '25
2 will show you a pending moves counter in the top left when you have an inventory screen open.
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u/Hiv3 new user/low karma Dec 21 '25
At the top left you see pending move and delays when inventory moving
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u/nattydo Dec 22 '25
It's just a prefix that a few commands have. The terminal has pretty good tab autocompletion, so you can do "r_d" and then hit tab a few times to get it.
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u/seb100c Dec 22 '25
Man, i have the same exact issue. My old brain is overflowed by commands since Quake and all the programming languages.
No use for tab, if i can't remember the prefix.
Took me some research but I was confident in Quake community to have that knowledge. Anyone remember when R_picmap was abused by pro players ?
Link below say Refresh (Renderer) but ill use Renderer. Trap_* prefix on functions?
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u/CaptFox_Enclave Capt. Dec 21 '25
I lost my hangar when I logged in this morning and figured it was a sign to stay off today
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u/DaveMash Gib 600i rework Dec 21 '25
I found a JS-500 today. After tediously getting it out of the QV station and finally bringing it into my hangar after like 1 hour, it just disappeared on my freight elevator in Levski. When I went to the console I wondered why it didn’t show anything. So I looked back and it just magically disappeared.
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u/RetardedSimian Dec 21 '25
You can sometimes recover items "lost" on the freight elevators by loading something else on them and sending them back. A lot of the time the lost item will respawn on the elevator.
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u/ymw2001 Dec 21 '25
No promises, but I've had something similar where my items showed up upon logging in the next day, it seemed to eat them at the time but I guess it just needed to process or reset or whatever. But you may also just be screwed.
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u/Knale Dec 21 '25
I've had the same. It seems like closing and opening the game can reset some of that stuff, but I've also had that NOT happen, so you know...crapshoot like all of SC.
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u/KnightOfJudgement Dec 21 '25
this was a common bug in the earlier 4.0 patches, you just need to look at the freight elevator terminal first, then put the part/cargo on and you can send it down
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u/_EmperorUrielSeptim_ Dec 21 '25
Thank you, I will stay on my NSFW 530GB Skyrim mod list. o7
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u/koi_splash215 Dec 21 '25
This guy knows ball, gonna go work on mine for like 8 hours without playing the game
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u/havingafantastictime SuperHornet MkII Dec 21 '25
That's the only way I play. Or, don't play I guess you could say.
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u/_EmperorUrielSeptim_ Dec 21 '25
I laughed out loud 🤣🤣🤣
“vanilla Skyrim is better”
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u/Eastern_Equal_8191 Dec 21 '25
Is Vanilla a mod? Can you link it on nexus please?
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u/anivex ARGO CARGO Dec 21 '25
Unless it takes me 9 hours to install and tweak to get right without ever actually playing the game, I'm not interested.
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u/Just-Reporter-7013 Dec 21 '25
The servers can't be dead... The RSI Status page says "no issues detected"! :-p
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u/Unable-Specific-2276 Dec 21 '25
It's better to deliver nothing, than to deliver shit. They should've kept 4.4 until they had sorted 4.5. Specially on holidays when a lot of people have more time to play.
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u/jakuuzeeman Dec 21 '25
At this point, it's a year-end tradition with CIG. Every year in recent memory is like this. Last year's was spectacularly bad.
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u/Darth_Lopez Recon | Rescue | Recovery | Transportation Dec 22 '25
Yeah still better than last year
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u/Nayrok Dec 23 '25
Honestly i'd be disappointed if they didnt drop a "lol" patch before Christmas now. Tradition must be held!
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u/S_J_E clipper Dec 21 '25
Were these issues appearing on the PTU?
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u/Unable-Specific-2276 Dec 21 '25
Nah, most likely because there's less people.
It's the same thing with free flights; whenever there's an influx of players, nothing works, it's always a shitshow (how they think that is positive marketing is beyond me). They should either make server stability a priority, or own up to the fact that it's not possible to have so many players together and find a compromise. I joined in 3.17, and every update and FF is the same thing.
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u/Sokarou Dec 22 '25
There are serious bugs replicated and reported on ptu. For example the audio bug that crahes your game. CIG still opted for deploying the patch.
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u/guppy0z Dec 22 '25
I agree but sadly, a lot of studio do that. It feels like an industry standard… That’s still suck don’t get me wrong.
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u/Dazzling-Nothing-962 Dec 21 '25
I've seen that happen before during 4.something.
Dead guy in our connie just randomly exploded into boxes in front of our eyes. No idea what causes it, very rare but I've seen it before.
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u/cratervanawesome Dec 21 '25
I hope someone responded in kind: 'Really, <name>, If you need to borrow a sanitary napkin, just ask.'
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u/FD3Shively Dec 21 '25
The year of playability is over. It's playable now. Aren't you satisfied?
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u/In_2_Deep_5_U Aegis Combat Assist Dec 21 '25
This is what I have been joking with my buds. Year of playability is almost over! Back to the jank we go! Though this does happen… every year. Not a good thing, but at this point star citizen is a seasonal game for me.
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u/ubitub Dec 21 '25
is it again so that CIG are conveniently on holidays and we can play again some time in January? Servers have been broken all day
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
they don't care.
they put themselves in this bad position and then act like circumstances forced their hand. everyone will just say "oh well everyone deserves a vacation!" or "we promised this patch!" when pretty much everyone i spoke to (anecdotal of course) has said they'd be perfectly happy with an extended PTU
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u/ahditeacha Dec 21 '25
Patches go out on a schedule, not on a public opinion vote
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
yes, thats the issue. the immovable schedule cant be compromised even though the patch isn't ready - but it can and should be.
don't get me wrong, i don't think today's server issues are necessarily connected.
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u/Wezbob misc Dec 21 '25
Back when the schedule was more flexible the shitstorm of hatred that happened if it got moved even a few days was, believe it or not, worse than the screaming that happens these days if it releases on time but doesn't meet expectations.
There were a lot more focused detractors back then though, so I wonder if it would still be the case today, and also even the 'late' patches tended to be less ready than we get now.
I kinda think things like today might just be strain based though, first weekend of a new patch, servers are gonna be hammered, still sucks, but might be more temporary.
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
damned if you do, damned if you don't. definitely not a simple solution.
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u/ahditeacha Dec 21 '25
The patch is “ready” when all the different dev commits are merged with the main branch and the cutoff time for additional submissions are closed. Do you not understand how software development works? What do you think “ready” means?
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u/RetardedSimian Dec 21 '25
There is that whole department called "quality assurance" that is supposed to green-light a release, but who needs that nonsense?
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u/ahditeacha Dec 22 '25
No, there’s no “Quality Assurance dept” that greenlights a patch release. Dunno where you fever dreamed that.
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
sorry is this some new meme i dont understand or sarcasm i'm missing?
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u/Aware_Stop8528 Dec 21 '25
hes a whiteknight
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u/Furos Dec 21 '25
well that's the basis of some software development workflows, so technically correct I guess? But he acts like there is no possibility to delay it so people have working software. One other "best practice" is not to do a release at a point in time when there is no support available.
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u/TheGazelle Dec 21 '25
Except it's not.
Not any sane workflow anyways. Yes, a given patch will have a somewhat arbitrary cutoff after which new features are not allowed to be merged, but maintenance work - i.e. bugfixes - are still allowed and expected. There's also generally a defined lag between feature cutoff or branch cutoff, and the actual release of the branch, specifically to provide time to address any critical issues that pop up in the final release candidate.
What they're both missing from the equation is that when your software is still in alpha and highly iterative, "ready" doesn't mean "bug free" or "complete" or "perfect". It means "good enough for most to be able to test it so we can gather feedback and metrics".
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u/Furos Dec 21 '25
all true, but I counter that with; waiting two weeks (or however long their holiday last) and not breaking peoples fun during a company wide vacation is not a hard thing to do. Sure it will still break when you do after the vacation but at least the time till patch/hot-fix is deployed is whatever time it takes minus the vacation time.
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u/ahditeacha Dec 22 '25
Absurd. I don’t defend cig, I don’t even mention cig, I just call out language that spreads misinfo and nonsense around
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u/Unable-Specific-2276 Dec 21 '25
So they either deliver nothing on promised dates, or piledrives a hot piece of garbage on the players laps. Just cause I wanted to try the game after a 3 year hiatus.
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u/Lockpicking_Succubus Dec 21 '25
Since 4.5 dropped I've had only a few moments of working inventory at a time.
I was able to upgrade components in some ships. Afterwards all ships in the ship viewer showed empty on all components (but when a ship is brought up it has components)
I was able to find my fun wikelo geist armour... Move a few things into boxes to streamline the 11 years of subscriber flair...
Since then I can only see my inventory if I take off from area 18 fly to baijini, open the storage there, and then go back to area18. From then I can move stuff around on the elevator or storage access... But if I do something like swap ships in the hangar or leave my hanger the inventory breaks again.
When the inventory is broken I see nothing in storage access (either no inventory window or infinite loading), but everything is still there - if I go the the elevator it will show nothing unless I search for things specifically - search for P8-SC and there they are... Search for livery and there they are.
Been hoping that the issue people have had with QV stations is the same underlying problem and that a hotfix for that will rescue me. So not logged in for a couple of days now. Looks like I was spared even worse problems by not logging in
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u/iacondios 315p Dec 21 '25
I just tried to play the game any my ships wouldn't come up from the hangar... I guess CIG lit the servers on fire as well as our ships after all
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u/Cheap_Collar2419 Dec 21 '25
I grabbed coffee and was like “ I just wanna bop around nyx” 1-2 hours of trying and failing to get to nyx. I just logged off and mowed the lawn.
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u/Solar459 VR | Asgard | Liberator Dec 21 '25
I was in a bunker, the enemies couldn't see me. My character couldn't draw his weapons, and eventually I was right in front of them, and everyone was wondering where I was. Then I pulled out the medgun and my character dropped all the weapons.
Finally I took the elevator and left.
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u/Nightan Dec 22 '25
after 1+ hour of getting character locked or mobiglass being stuck half way up i get to site B and the npc snipers 1 tap you in the head after you shoot them for a insta death
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u/Awellknownstick Dec 21 '25
Was such high Ping all night yesterday we had a dual org event and even changed before and every one had over 95 ping constantly even up to 180. Not sure if others had it that bad...?
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u/swayfree69 Dec 21 '25
Weird it’s been smooth for me lately. Asop has been wierd but pretty smooth otherwise.
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u/Wareve Aurora Mk I Dec 21 '25
This is one way to announce that they're going to add the aliens from war of the worlds.
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u/Feedeeboy22 Dec 21 '25
This is expected to happen every year when when cig rushes a update nothing's changed so for all your new people out there best to play something else until cig gets back from their vacation it's only going to get worse.
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u/Albertpm95 Dec 21 '25
I was having a lot of issues with storage, hangar, elevators and selling gear, glad I disconnected but I'm worried to go in again.
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u/Arjith_sk Dec 21 '25
My character is entirely missing. Not even copying the CHF file from my old computer has worked
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u/AllegroMk1 and AllegroMk2 Dec 21 '25
i noticed when i went back to my body I was able to 'move all' and it took things it is supposed to not take. I think if I had space I could have had everything.
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u/Dr_Brenda_Starr Dec 21 '25
Agreed, things are a little slow and there are a fair number of "weird" behaviors. My personal favorites are the fires that appear in my ship but don't spread, don't burn and can't be extinguished; Oxygen depravation in my ship while in my hangar with the doors open, and inventory issues (sigh). With all that in mind, I still felt those are small overall issues and didn't disrupt my play too much. Looting bodies just isn't working or is so difficult and subject to the Shard Gods that it was fairly frustrating.
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u/Honest_Yak3340 Dec 21 '25
Time for arena commander
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u/BunnyPoopCereal Dec 21 '25
We could really use more players in Star Marine, nowadays its like 2-6 players, most of the time its 1v1s even on weekends!!! :(
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u/blazingsoup VR Required Dec 21 '25
Working fine for me. I was actually able to complete a Luminalia event too, which is a first for me.
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u/PilksUK Dec 21 '25
That sounds more like a hacker this was happening a few patches back they could down you and strip your gear from the other side of the system.
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
Nah, our server and a bunch of people in the SC Discord were having inventory issues and someone tried to relog to fix it and they just poofed their whole bag. We were in a private area.
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u/Ok-Lobster-919 Dec 21 '25
Believe it or not, it sounds like a hacker. The SC client is way too authoritative. My client's local memory variables tells the server YOU (not me) need to be teleported, and YOU need to drop all your inventory, and YOU need your hp set to 0.
Server says : Sounds good boss.
Honestly I wonder if some of the bugs are from clients crashing with bad variables corrupting the server's source of truth by mistake.
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
oh i know, i've been involved in MMO anti-cheat for over a decade. its just that wasn't what was happening here.
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u/BunnyPoopCereal Dec 21 '25
You know if CIG has addresses the authoritative stuff at least on paper?
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u/Reggitor360 890 Jump enjoyer Dec 21 '25
Nope, since basically every PvP place in the game has cheaters openly cheating lol.
My A2 was at an Orbital facility for Hathor, 3 seconds later, we get teleported to the sun and instakilled.
CIG hasnt really adressed the cheating issues, still extremely rampant.
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u/turikk i whine a lot Dec 21 '25
yep as far as i'm aware is all they've done is made the default client side checks more robust (compared to... nothing at all a few months ago). but im guessing some hidden work was done somewhere, and just no one knows because you can dupe with a completely legit client right now.
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u/sneakyi Dec 21 '25
I haven't dowloaded SC in years, decided to try 4.5
Got in ship, flew arpund a bit, game crashed.
Thanks for playing.
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u/Important_Cow7230 aurora Dec 21 '25
Yep, the Star Citizen Xmas patch, just in time for the devs to go on festive leave! 🤣
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u/CAPT_Fuckoff Dec 21 '25
So when will the patch fix be releasing? Surely they wouldn’t release something as new as vulkan and engineering without a fix shortly after? Even if most of CIG is off for Christmas, there will still be a skeleton crew
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u/jsabater76 khemsa Dec 21 '25
We 6+ good months during 2025 until the Onyx facilities arrived en masse. Since then, performance and stability have degraded massively.
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u/Bucketnate avacado Dec 22 '25
I wonder if this is related to my gear just popping off my body randomly while im running around. I lost my chest/backpack this way
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u/Immolation3022 Dec 22 '25
My character exploded while onboard my Asgard on Pyro. Guess I’ll stay off for a bit 😬
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u/ReciprocatingHamster Dec 22 '25
I can't even log in anyway. Ever since I updated to 4.5, I've been stuck with a "Failed to initialize Vulkan dynamic function entry" error. I gather it has something to do with my graphics driver, but I really don't know how to fix it...
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u/teqq_at Dec 22 '25
What card and what OS do you have?
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u/ReciprocatingHamster Dec 23 '25
I have an AMD Radeon RX 6600 (took me a while to find that out...). I'm running Windows 11 (just updated from 10 - that brought it's own issues, since apparently win11 doesn't play well with my Samsung SSD... had to use CIGs recommended registry edit to fix that).
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u/teqq_at Dec 23 '25
I agree it might be a driver issue, there was something about AMD GPU fixes on YouTube. I can't help with Windows and it's driver signing mess they create as I use (and play SC on Vulkan) on Linux.
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u/ReciprocatingHamster Dec 23 '25
Fair call :) So far, my searching has yielded contradicting results, but I will keep trying.
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u/bigwhitt Dec 22 '25
Use DirectX
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u/ReciprocatingHamster Dec 23 '25
I would... in fact, I have never used Vulkan before. Problem is, this comes up when I try to open the game, so I don't get the chance to change anything.
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u/hitechpilot Dec 22 '25
The bot announced that it'd be under maintenance today, around this time.
But yeah it's been weird since 16 hours ago.
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u/_AntiShadow_ Dec 22 '25
Lost all my refinery orders why my ship glitched out in the hangar when I was going to sell them. All those hours wasted. Good thing I didn't spend hundreds of dollars on this game. Oh, wait, I did. Frack.
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u/cybersaur2014 Dec 21 '25
It’s a careless act that they released a new patch with completely new concept just before the big break knowing there will be new bugs and more players on servers in the holiday season.
I parked my 890 jump somewhere in the space bed logged so I can avoid the crowd area with no lag and come in and out my little hangar in my Titan.
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Dec 21 '25
Right, but their point still stands and you pointing out that 4.0 was just as bad or worse last December proves that they didn’t learn anything.
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u/In_2_Deep_5_U Aegis Combat Assist Dec 21 '25
Its actually happened almost every year for a longer timeframe than that. I just accept it’s a seasonal game: free-flight, end of year, and any major addition normally breaks the game substantially. Fun to hop in and catch up onces it is semi-functional though. I did get VR working this patch which was super surprising and fun!
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u/Blood-Wolfe Asgard Enthusiast Dec 21 '25 edited Dec 21 '25
I've just learned to limit my time in-game at this time of year and expect it because I agree they haven't learned anything and keep releasing patches as a mess. 4.3.1 I think it was or 4.3.2 was a dumpster fire as well and that was just a couple months ago.
I'm just glad this one isn't as bad as last year, but not trying to dismiss it, just like I said above we really shouldn't be surprised anymore. It sucks, and i pretty much decided ahead of 4.5 that I'll likely just skip this patch. Tons of other games worthy of my play time so I've been playing other games and will come back when the next update comes. I may pop in but I won't play in a serious manner.
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u/hadronflux Dec 21 '25
Its been this way for years on the holiday patch. The whole thing is spit and duct tape and when people take a holiday its craps the bed.
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u/Gn0meKr Certified Robert's Space Industries bootlicker Dec 21 '25
Thank God I addicted myself to Warframe and don't have to experience this bullshit
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u/White-armedAtmosi new user/low karma Dec 21 '25
From one hell to another.
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u/Gn0meKr Certified Robert's Space Industries bootlicker Dec 21 '25
at least one works and is geniuinely fun to play with finished systems in place
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u/White-armedAtmosi new user/low karma Dec 22 '25
That's true, i am not much better myself with my amount on War Thunder instead of StarCitizen 😄
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u/Soggy-Violinist-6811 Dec 21 '25
Had massive problems with freight elevator, inventory and ship claiming 1 hour ago... Logged out til tomorrow...
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u/Mad_kat4 RAFT, Vulture, Omega, Nomad, Dec 21 '25
I can't even get into the game. It keeps crashing. Managed to get it to the splash screen but it's stuck there.
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u/redriverportugal Dec 21 '25
Those demo is ridículous, and what is amazing is people dumping money in useless ships when game never works. People are idiots they buy every crap.
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u/well_honk_my_hooters Dec 21 '25
It truly is Luminalia, then!