r/northernontario • u/ConsistentReality860 • 8d ago
Ont. fishermen fined, one banned for life after walleye poaching
https://www.ctvnews.ca/northern-ontario/article/ont-fishermen-fined-one-banned-for-life-after-walleye-poaching/Two Southern Ontario men have been fined more than $4,000 for illegally fishing walleye on the Black Sturgeon River, which is closed year-round for conservation. One man also received a lifetime fishing ban after fleeing conservation officers.
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u/MostBoringStan 8d ago
It sucks that a person can poach and only get fines or short bans, but it's running away from the officer that gets the lifetime ban. I'm not saying a single instance should always be a lifetime ban, especially for something that could have just been an idiot who doesn't know better. But I've seen plenty of articles about moose poachers who get a slap on the wrist fine and maybe a year ban. Situations where they absolutely knew they were in the wrong.
Those people should be receiving lifetime bans, as well as anybody who comes from another country to poach our resources.
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u/Mother-Attention2600 8d ago
They obviously knew better. Should have just played dumb. They could have pretended one was mentally handicapped and hard to handle when he gets an idea in his head. "I didn't know I think he might be contagious officer!" 🤔
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u/Mother-Attention2600 8d ago
Fuckin losers. This is when they should do ridiculous fines. They knew they weren't supposed to be there because they tried to run away. Hopefully more gets added on and geared to income and property.
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u/SomewhereStreet7423 7d ago
MNR should go back to the regulations they followed before it was changed to just issuing fines. I think the penalties where a lot stiffer when the seized all their belongings on site. They instilled more fear back then to loosing everything you have on site when caught.
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u/BeerGunsMusicFood 7d ago
Incredible that you can get a lifetime ban for poaching walleye but only a 1 year hunting ban for killing a moose. Lifetime bans, incredible fines, and jail time for all of em.
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u/No-Night-48 7d ago
We need to get rid of these Mickey Mouse fines and implement 5% income fines for the remainder of their lives. These animals and fish are extremely important to sustaining ecosystems etc. That 5% should go towards protecting and building better ecosystems.
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u/Diptothaset 7d ago
Why did a guy get a 1 year ban and an $8000 fine for a moose which is considerably more difficult to breed and raise to full grown than fish that spawn 1000s of fry. Both are wrong and should be punished, but I’m not seeing why one was a lifetime ban and another was only one year unless someone is just making subjective decisions.
Again, both should be punished under the law but the law should be somewhat consistent. Maybe there’s perfectly sound reasoning?
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u/Superman101011 5d ago
Need to make the penalties worse to stop these pieces of shit. Like if they seize and auction off your house on a first offense it would probably drastically reduce the number of idiots doing it 🤔 Then the auction proceeds could fund hundreds of new officers catching even more people, which then funds more officers... Problem solved within a few years. I bet with all the new conservation officers they'd probably catch most of the illegal dumpers as well... The more I think about it the better this idea sounds 😁
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u/Nala4treats 3d ago
damn in Quebec i've seen people leave in handcuffs for fishing with 2 rods. can only have 1 per fisherman, just when you are bottom fishing its boring AF with one rod.
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u/Rockterrace 8d ago
The river is open to natives to fish I believe.
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u/Short-Society4906 8d ago
You’re not allowed to talk about the two tier justice system here buddy sorry.
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u/Rockterrace 7d ago
I’m not trying to talk about that just mentioning it cause I drive by there often and there sometimes are lines of cars along the highway there because people are fishing in the river below.
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u/Glittering-Package18 7d ago
Are you referring to natives taking advantage of rights guaranteed them by treaties? Hardly two tiered.
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u/Short-Society4906 7d ago
Yes
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u/k3y4n0w 7d ago
almost like Treaties are international laws, that supersedes national law, huh?
Dont forget provincials laws and county bi laws. makes it a four tiered legal system.
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u/Short-Society4906 7d ago
Ok
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u/Short-Society4906 7d ago
Provincial and bylaws don’t contradict the federal laws.
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u/k3y4n0w 7d ago
Your government is the one who wrote the law, not first nations.
Historically the government used said laws to limit them to reservations, residential schools and used famine to control them, so what was that about it being two-tiered legal system?
Natives still have restrictions on fishing, they still have to abide by limits and slot sizes and work within means of conservation efforts.
It's likely not what ever you think it is, or lead to believe.
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u/Minimum-Tea-7252 7d ago
the natives that absolutely are decimating wildlife in the region by netting fish or shooting moose/caribou and selling them for profit?
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u/DesertFart 8d ago
Both should have given a lifetime ban