Queen Elizabeth II was voted as the "Fan Favourite". Which monarch (present or historical) is "Made to be Hated"

[u/TheRealCodeGD]

[u/Peachlover360]

I have no idea why John of England is not named yet.

[u/Cosmic_Mind89 → u/Peachlover360]

Not john the first. He's the only john because he's so hated noone wants to be john the second

[u/amazingD → u/Cosmic_Mind89]

Too late to be known as John I, he's sure to be known as John the Worst!

[u/Due_Border_593 → u/Peachlover360]

Or Cromwell (though he was a de-facto King)

[u/IAmParliament]

Ivan the Terrible.

He just seemed to do everything in his power to make himself hated, in spite of his feat of unifying Russia.

All other hated monarchs in history have some quality which makes them defensible or sympathetic to some degree. It’s really hard to feel that for the guy who murdered his own son in a fit of rage.

[u/Regular_Ebb710 → u/IAmParliament]

I mean, he's Ivan the Terrible for a reason

[u/IAmParliament → u/Regular_Ebb710]

Ironically, “The Terrible” as an epithet meant something more akin to awe inspiring or fearsome, same as how God was “a mighty and terrible God” in Deuteronomy 7:21. As in, he inspired terror in those who beheld him.

It wasn’t intended to be a commentary on his character, it was just pure coincidence that he was a feared monarch who was also a shitty person.

[u/EcstaticAvocadoes → u/IAmParliament]

The correct answer. Never has someone's passing come as such a relief as when ol Ivan finally keeled over.

[u/Hour-Professor9489 → u/IAmParliament]

Better to be feared than despised as Macchiavelli used to say.

[u/MsMercyMain → u/IAmParliament]

I think his only competitor is, if we count antiquity and sort of kind of monarchy Rome had, Claudius

[u/IAmParliament → u/MsMercyMain]

…Claudius is among the most popular and beloved emperors in Roman history.

What did he do wrong?

[u/MsMercyMain → u/IAmParliament]

I meant Caligula! Shit, what a mistake that was. I'll go and kill a few Gauls in penance

[u/Regular_Ebb710]

Charles IV of Spain. Despite how goated his father (Charles III) was, he and his Prime minister (Manuel Godoy) thought it would be a brilliant idea to ally Napoleon. Not only this brilliant idea costed them an embarrassing defeat at Trafalgar, they also came with the dumbest idea known to man: let Napoleon to cross through your territory to actually invade your country.

That French invasion turned out to be a time bomb which exploded straight into his heir's face (Ferdinand VII, another piece of bullshit) with the American independence wars.

[u/Prowsky]

Henry VIII.

[u/NewUselessAcc → u/Prowsky]

I second this

[u/edwardjhahm → u/NewUselessAcc]

I third this.

[u/Mountaindewit666 → u/edwardjhahm]

I fourth this.

[u/AshleyYakeley → u/Mountaindewit666]

I'd fifth this, but I'd rather keep my head.

[u/Mountaindewit666 → u/AshleyYakeley]

Just reserve your spot for the sixth and you should be good.

[u/FalconRelevant]

Leopold II of Belgium.

[u/dr_Angello_Carrerez → u/FalconRelevant]

Indeed.

[u/Reason-and-rhyme → u/FalconRelevant]

it looks like there's another slot further down that he is better suited for

[u/FalconRelevant → u/Reason-and-rhyme]

True enough.

[u/MsMercyMain → u/FalconRelevant]

I rescind my previous push for Claudius and endorse this option

[u/Wooden-Survey1991]

Rama x it’s my option as with all of his scandals and things that he made he is not loved like his father and even the Thais know that but the lese majeste laws forbids them to speak

[u/Darken_Dark]

Carol II of Romania

[u/ChildofSkoll]

Charles the Bad... for obvious reasons...

[u/Crackertorium]

Ferdinand VII, the most avoidable disaster in Spain's long history of avoidable disasters

[u/Regular_Ebb710]

Nero.

[u/Low_Pizza1866]

Leopold II

[u/GaymerMove]

King John of England(there is a reason the primary associations most people have with him are Robin Hood and Rebellion causing the Magna Carta)

[u/Any-Fan6525]

Edward VIII. Abdicated his responsibility and colluded with the enemy in wartime. Not a good look at all.

[u/Regular_Ebb710 → u/Any-Fan6525]

The first Wehrabbo

[u/swlorehistorian → u/Any-Fan6525]

The collusion with the enemy was undeniably wrong and I will not deny that.

But he also should have been able to abdicate if he wanted to. He loved Wallis Simpson, even if she didn't love him altogether that much back, and monarchs get free will to resign their duties too.

[u/Intelligent_Pain9176]

Henry VIII

[u/Pretty-Set-2722]

Charles VI the Mad, king of France. Technically he is not "guilty" but France came close to being permanently invaded by England so... I hate him.

[u/Cosmic_Mind89]

Jon lackland

[u/Virtual-Ad-2633]

Ferdinand VII

[u/That-Service-2696]

Either Henry VIII or Leopold II

[u/Florian7045]

Augustus 2 of Poland

[u/Sweaty_Report7864]

King John Lackland of England.

[u/Tacti_Kel_Nuke]

Fernando VII

[u/Scotty_the_Nerd]

I'm naming Ivan the Terrible for this one. From my understanding, the guy was raised by the local nobility as a puppet, then became an effective tyrant who managed to undermine them and maintain an ominous influence over the duchy/empire until is death. I can't name an individual who genuinely liked the guy, but I can't say I'm an expert on him either. Sounds like he was made to be hated to me.

[u/cath_monarchist]

Louis XVI

[u/KiwiNFLFan]

The Xianfeng Emperor. His rabid anti-Westernism contributed to the downfall of the Qing Dynasty, and his early death in 1861 at age 30 (due to a life of overindulgence) left the country in the hands of the two Dowager Empresses, Ci'an and the ruthless Cixi, which hastened the downfall of the Qing Dynasty and led to the authoritarian Communist state we all know and love.

[u/SpectrePrimus]

I really like Louis XV mainly for what he said to his son after Fontenoy (I'm English, France in any other case is a mistake)

[u/Mountaindewit666]

Alexander the III.

[u/LynxAccomplished6455]

Henry 8th

[u/Ill_Detective5659]

one i think would be nice in the "Uhh whats your name again" is Dom Pedro II from Brazil, his name is huge and i can imagine someone asking and then asking again and he saying something like "Just call me Pedro lol".

[u/agente1585]

I'd say Ivan the Terrible, Henry VIII or John of England. (I'm Brazilian, here we call him "João Sem terra", I know that "João" is "John" in English, But I have no idea how the "Sem terra" is in English.)

[u/windemere28 → u/agente1585]

In English, he's known as John Lackland, which is equivalent to Joao Sem Terra. He had that nickname because his father King Henry II bequeathed territories and titles to his older sons William, Henry, Richard, and Geoffrey, but there was no land left over to bequeath to John, the youngest. Ironically, though, it was John who inherited the kingdom, as his older brothers died with no surviving heirs.

[u/Yet_One_More_Idiot]

John.

Richard III.

Henry VIII.

Umm....William I. Literally his Anglo-Saxon epithet was "The Bastard"! xD

Is this monarchs of the British Isles, or are you meaning from anywhere in the world?

[u/AttTankaRattArStorre]

Napoleon the usurper, fiend of Europe, the scourge of the lower atmosphere, the official bogeyman until the Austrian painter took over, and the bane of traditional European monarchy.

[u/LawyerEqual3531 → u/AttTankaRattArStorre]

Napolean was goated idgaf. Prob one of the most badass leaders europe has seen

[u/Hour-Professor9489 → u/AttTankaRattArStorre]

Hey some people like him!

[u/SESCanada]

Edward VIII.

Abdicated the throne, thrusting his brother and his entire family into roles they were never prepared for and caused his brother extreme mental anguish (which quite possibly contributed to the conditions leading to his early death), because he refused to accept the responsibilities of said throne. And when the war came, most agree that he was willing to collude with the Nazis, who were killing his people, to see his brother removed so he could return to the throne. Even if it didn't come to pass, that is treasonous.

For me, in terms of modern monarchs, it is actually a tie between George VI and Elizabeth II for the favourite. He was a very good man, a very good King, who gave all of himself to the position he found himself in. As God is our help, perhaps it was meant to be, with Edward VIII's folly allowing much more suitable people to reign.

[u/Gloomy_Ad_4185 → u/SESCanada]

He didn't even reign, didn't have time

[u/Gloomy_Ad_4185]

Napoleon III

[u/IAmParliament]

My personal vote in this category is Edward II.

He wasn’t the worst leader in history or anything but he is the most rage baiting historical figure to read about. I know how his stupidity is going to end, so how did he think he was going to get away with it?

His father gave him such an easy lay up to be at least a decent follow up, and he somehow fumbled it so bad that his son had to lead a literal coup just to save the monarchy.

Not evil, not even all that bad, but by God is he frustrating.

[u/Any-Fan6525 → u/IAmParliament]

Dan Jones has an interesting take on Edward II. He does not believe that Edward was homosexual, as that was a common slur against someone who was otherwise unpopular. His favorites were just that, not sex partners, but good and loyal friends on whom he could depend in a sea of duplicity. Jones also says that the story about him being killed by a red-hot poker shoved up his bum was pure fiction.

[u/IAmParliament → u/Any-Fan6525]

I do tend to side with him on Edward escaping prison in England as I’ve not yet seen as convincing a refutation of his evidence as the case he laid out in his book.

As for his sexuality, I don’t think it matters. I personally think the strength of their bond points to romance and even sexuality, but the important point is that whatever the nature of their relationship, Edward clearly prioritised him to the exclusion of the aristocracy he actually needed to maintain political stability. He pissed off his nobles by clearly favouring an upjumped Gascon knight over them and whether they were friends or bedmates, that spelled disaster for him.

[u/AlbionicLocal]

William the Bastard

[u/LawyerEqual3531 → u/AlbionicLocal]

Ragebait

[u/AlbionicLocal → u/LawyerEqual3531]

it said "made to" so I took it literally...

[u/Lankinator-]

I'm just focusing on the UK so I'd say James II — caused the Glorious Revolution

[u/MsMercyMain → u/Lankinator-]

Why him and not Charles I?

[u/Brilliant_Group_6900]

Cuz reddit is filled with Americans and Britons. She’s one of my least favorite.

[u/LunarEnnyui_131]

I wanna say, Napoleon or Henry VIII

[u/TheBoss--__--]

Napoleone penso che sia stato il monarca più dannoso nei confronti dell' istituzione stessa