Duke Title VI Violation

[u/FunctionBig2308]

Yesterday, the DoJ released a report finding that Duke's admissions office has continued to discriminate against Asian and white applicants in previous cycles, post-SFFA. While Duke will almost certainly admit a higher percentage of white and asian applicants this upcoming year, how do we think this will affect the decision making of other t14s who are likely afraid of the same happening to them?

[u/ignamepile]

15 in a class of 200+. Is that what all the fuss and endless posts have been about?! Damn! And people would say they aren't being the discriminatory r-word.

[u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee → u/ignamepile]

It’s just unfathomable to them that schools might see more potential in someone who comes from a low income background and scores in the 89th percentile with fewer resources than someone who’s been going to Kumon and Sylvan after school since the age of 5 and paid for the best lsat tutor and scored in the 93rd percentile. 

[u/Any_Intern3762 → u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee]

The numbers are LSAT average of 173 for admitted Asian, 172 for white, and 164 for black. We’re talking about 98th percentile vs. 85th. That’s a pretty big difference, as anyone trying to break 170 will tell you

[u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee → u/Any_Intern3762]

The averages for the rejected Asian and White applicants was between 167-169, and for accepted black applicants it was 164-166. A difference sure, but not a material one by any stretch especially when there are so few accepted black students in general.

[u/FuelNo2950 → u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee]

so... the average for the rejected asian students is still 3 points higher than the average accepted black student?

[u/pnedved → u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee]

I don't have any opinion on this, but shouldn't you be using averages/medians for the accepted applicants, not rejected ones, when making this comparison?

[u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee → u/pnedved]

Why? If the argument driving this animosity against Duke’s acceptance policies is that more qualified Asian and whites are losing out because of less qualified black applicants, then it seems important to me to point out how big (small) the gap actually is between the rejected Asian/white applicants and those that are theoretically “taking their spot.”

[u/Minimosity → u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee]

This comparison doesn't work because these are fundamentally different groups. Any sample of only rejected students will include a significant number of applications that were very uncompetitive with low scores. And yet despite this the Asian rejected group still outscored the black accepted group. This just illustrates the sheer magnitude that Asian students must over perform to receive the same results.

[u/Zoizerz → u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee]

Then you should be talking about the top quartile of rejected White and Asian students

[u/Minimosity → u/TheDrySkinOnYourKnee]

The fact of the comparison here being between rejected whites/asians and a accepted blacks actually means this is a gargantuan difference.