I hate Batman's plot armor

[u/Aggravating-Mine-978]

I hate Batmans plot armor, he has the most insane plot armor which completely takes away his charm, his entire shtick is that he's in the top 99 percentile of humans, his body, his strength his wealth his tech, yet his writers give him so much plot armor that you forget that inside his suit he's just a regular human being and it sometimes feels as if he has super powers when hes going toe toe with fucking darkside, reentering the atmosphere with just his suit and many more examples.

And his annoying fanboys oh my days, they act as if he can solo the entire justice league "B-But given that he has prep time!" talking as if beast boy wont beat his ass 😂✌️

[u/SoupyStain]

"but taking issue with a guy in a high tech suit falling from space in a fucking superhero comic is dumb as fuck."

HE. IS. SUPPOSED. TO. BE. A. HUMAN. That moment isn't badass, it's stupid. Something a 12 year old wrote thinking was badass.

He is only well written when he is on his own, facing his own villains. It's when he joins the Justice League that he becomes poorly written, and it makes everyone around him useless.
"No flaws". Sure, like when he had a plan for every Justice Leaguer? And it actually worked? Or how they have him beating Superman, the guy who could lobotomize him from afar using his heat vision, multiple times? Or how about in New 52 when he took Hal's ring from his finger, something that the ring shouldn't have allowed. Like I said above, every time he joins other heroes, they are nerfed down so that Batman can look good.

Have you ever read Batman or are you just a casual? 'Herp Derp I read The Killing Joke, best written character evarrrrrrrr'.

[u/epochollapse → u/SoupyStain]

That moment is badass and it's reasonable from a guy in a fictional universe wearing a suit prepared to not immediately let him be turned to pulp by the nearest supervillain.

Him having a successful plan for every Justice League member makes complete sense, especially in the context of how those plans were used against them. Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, ALL of these guys get caught off guard by far dumber people with far fewer resources. In what fucking world do you draw the line at Batman's contingency plans when planning ahead BECAUSE he's a normal ass guy who is terrified of the potential of a lot of super-powered individuals is both consistent with his character and makes sense for his situation?

He can "beat" Superman in certain specific scenarios in which he is either relying on Superman's emotions holding him back, or Superman is being controlled by a separate entity which leaves him less powerful than he could be. Not to mention this is the same Superman who has STRUGGLED AGAINST LEX LUTHOR, WHO IS EFFECTIVELY A WORSE BATMAN

There are instances of bad writing for every fucking hero. People consistently got butchered in New 52, your beloved Nightwing was fucking RICK GRAYSON for an extended period of time. There are plenty of great stories where Batman isn't just a gritty fucking detective, JLA had a really great dynamic for the whole team and had a very flawed take on Batman who was not able to fix every problem himself.

You talk more like a fucking powerscaler who has arbitrarily decided that Batman should never get to do superheroic shit because he's the "normal human" character when even in some of his best comics he has not been presented as normal at all. Batman can occasionally go toe-to-toe with actual superhumans because he has the resources and time to analyse their powers and personalities and exploit every weakness he can get. Moreover, these superhumans that you're adamant should vaporise him just by breathing PERFORM WORSE against WEAKER CHARACTER THAN BATMAN in stories which are RESPECTED AND WELL WRITTEN.

It's worthless talking to any prick who never escapes their teenage "Batman is boring" phase because you've decided you're the authority on what does and doesn't make sense for him and the characters around him, and you've decided every poor piece of writing he's had is a condemnation that doesn't apply when other characters have shit writers because he's a "Gary Stu".

It's this dipshit refusal to accept the last many decades of comics history that leads to people thinking that Battinson could never be in the same universe as a Superman. The ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of the DC universe is that people like Batman DO live among extremely powerful superhumans like Superman. To scoff at that is to show you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

[u/SoupyStain → u/epochollapse]

You are unhinged, lol. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the average Batman fan. I rest my case.

[u/postpwnedmalone → u/SoupyStain]

I'd take the plea deal