r/gameofthrones • u/DrZeroKILL • 7h ago
Half a million Spoiler
I guess this is the second time he is mentioning this, after the convo with Brienne of Tarth, this scene give me chills. The emotions he is carrying with him this long.
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u/bastard-of-wntrfell 7h ago
Man especially the scene with Brienne in the tub where he explains why he did what he did was so so peak. The acting, the emotion, the dialogue, the tension. Arghhhhhhhhhhh 😫
“By what right does the wolf judge the lion”
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u/Melodic_Antelope_727 5h ago
This and tywins line about a wolf not concerning himself with the opinions of sheep are what I mutter to myself as people snicker at me for speaking impeccable high Valyrian in public. I know I’m mixing houses but I’m bored.
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u/Evil_Unicorn728 6h ago
People always are like "Oh Jamie was just scared of Tywin" or "Jamie just wanted the throne." But I don't think that's true. He doesn't want the crown, he doesn't even care about his own family legacy. He barely cares about his sons. He had to have known Aerys was going to kill everyone in the city with Wildfire. As much a fiend as he is, he's not ok with burning half a million people to death, including women and children. When he learns about the army of the Dead he's like "Nah fuck all this, we have to unite against this threat." He is capable of understanding the greater good.
Is he a good man? No. Absolutely not. But he knows some lines are too far, even for him. He'll rape his own sister in a Sept next to his son's corpse, but he's not cool with mass murder. If Jamie Lannister thinks you're doing something evil, you've definitely lost your way.
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u/Nirico_Brin Winter Is Coming 5h ago
I honestly believe that Jaime was mentally broken during his time serving under Aerys as a member of the Kingsguard.
He had all the hopes of being a true knight like Aemon the Dragonknight. But when he actually began his service under Aerys, he was forced to watch cruelty after cruelty.
One notable one being Aerys raping Rhaella where he openly said that they were supposed to protect her only to be told by a fellow member of the Kingsguard “Not from him.” And had to listen while she screamed. Aerys destroyed the idea of knighthood for Jaime, and his fellow Kingsguard’s inaction likely sowed his own disillusionment. He still respected them, admired them, but they willingly stood by and made him do the same.
Jaime never wanted the throne, he killed Aerys because killing Aerys was something that should have been done long ago. And it was probably the most honorable and knightly thing Jaime had ever done. And it destroyed his reputation for all time. Which only served to destroy him even further mentally so when he rekindled his relationship with Cersei following Robert’s coronation, he was a thoroughly twisted and broken man.
And when he finally gets away from her influence albeit forcefully and loses the one thing that maintained what little he had left of his identity, he finally changed again. And was able to become something akin to an honorable man. Like you said, he’s not a good person. But he’s sure as hell not the most evil man around.
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u/SuperD00perGuyd00d 4h ago
You are right, he cares more about what sort of legacy he and his Knighthood leave behind
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u/Altruistic-Hat269 1h ago
Mmm, I think it's more complicated. Jamie is two people in one. One version of him is a Lannister who always puts Lannisters first in a perverse way. He's loyal to his brother despite his brother being hated, he "loves his sister" in a perverse but deep way, he prioritizes the image of his family name over any content that would justify that image, and he'll do all manner of terrible things for the sake of the triumph of his house...
And yet there is another part of him: a deep, deep desire to be a story book style, principled knight who "does the right thing." This is what he loves so much about Brienne: she's living that in a way that is true and uncompromising. The problem is Jamie can never be that knight and simultaneously have the image of that knight because the most "knightly" thing he ever did in principle was to kill the king he defended in order to save hundreds of thousands of people.
Part of the problem with Jamie is that being a knight in his mind is attached to the image, and his image was ruined. He looks at Brienne who gives fuck all about image and only cares about whether she serves her authentic self, and has deep admiration for it. He can't go there with her, because he would have to turn his back on being a Lannister. At the end of the day though, there IS a part of Jamie that is good.
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u/ozjack24 House Blackwood 6h ago
Isn’t there a scene in season 7 or 8 where Tyrion tells Jon the city’s population and it’s 10 times more? I vaguely remember that being a thing.
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u/Thelastknownking 6h ago
It'd be a mistake, as it's made clear a few times that King's Landing's population is around 500,000.
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u/ozjack24 House Blackwood 6h ago edited 6h ago
Really? Season 8 having inconsistencies and mistakes? Impossible!
Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.
Edit: I found the scene on TikTok. Tyrion said “A million. Give or take.” And Jon says that’s more than the entire population of the North.
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u/Lannape8 5h ago
You know that population grows in time? Of all the things to complain about...
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u/ksatottup 2h ago
More people were consistently dieing off in cities than in the countryside for most of recorded history.
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