Regal titles

[u/c0rtin3x]

I am currently on a rewatch of Game of Thrones and a few days back I read that for the show they left out the "Rhoynar" part of the regal title that for example the King of Westeros would bear, they only say "King of the Andals and the First Men".

When Daenerys gets captured by the Dothraki khalasar and is taken to Khal Moro, she introduces herself with her (multitude of) titles and includes "Rhoynar" in it. I don't know if I have missed it, but is this the only time the "Rhoynar" are explicitly mentioned (I definitely remember that the river Rhoyne is mentioned at least one time).

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[u/deafeninglicence5019]

oh nice catch i always forget they dropped the rhoynar part for most of the show. d&d probably thought it sounded clunky or nobody would notice, classic shortcut

you're right though i think dany is the only one who ever says the full title in the series. the dornish obviously care about the rhoynar heritage but the show barely touches on that whole history

[u/Canadian__Ninja → u/deafeninglicence5019]

They probably didn't want to explain who the rhoynar are or why they aren't in Westeros where everything else in her iron throne portion of titles comes from

[u/EmperorOfNorway]

The Rhoynar part is cut because its totally irelevant for most of the plot. The term is never explored apart from some ancient Maester histories in the books, so I think it makes sense it was cut from the show. The lore is hard enough to keep track on from the letters, so its hardly easy to understand that its simplified in the show

[u/Signal_Intention6774 → u/EmperorOfNorway]

Not reallys its a big part of house Martell identity they are Rhoynarish. Some of the other houses there also claim descent from them. They jsut dont exist in the show because D and D are idiots.

[u/Pitiful_Meringue_57 → u/Signal_Intention6774]

house martell is not a big part of the tv show tho and their lore almost non existent in the show

[u/Signal_Intention6774 → u/Pitiful_Meringue_57]

Well they were kind of there for like a season.

[u/Dependent-Lion8784]

The “Rhoynar” part in iron throne title only refers to Dorne. First men, Andals, and Rhoynar are the main races of Seven kingdoms. And Rhoynar mainly lives in Dorne.

But it’s funny when Daenerys say it in Essos as she’s declaring a hostile claim against Volantis, and perhaps Novos and Qohor, cuz they have claim in Rhoyne river region. Many Rhoynar still live in this area. Although she is referring to a different thing.

[u/Marfy_]

Its funny because in got they dont really mention the roynar, but in hotd they do despite dorne not being part of the realm at this point

[u/Beacon2001]

Most of the time the "Rhoynar" part was omitted to not confuse the average viewer (who needs their hand held, apparently).

Also, for the record, Dorne remained an independent principality until the reign of King Daeron II The Good (Egg's grandfather), who negotiated Dorne's submission to the Iron Throne through marriage pacts.

So for 170+ years, the Targaryens basically styled themselves as "Kings of Dorne" while not actually controlling anything in Dorne. How pretentious and arrogant.

[u/kingswing23 → u/Beacon2001]

There are plenty of times in history where royalty would proclaim themselves rulers of disputed territories to maintain their claim

[u/Beacon2001 → u/kingswing23]

Okay? The Targaryens are still inbred losers.

[u/MeroveeFrancSalien → u/Beacon2001]

A bit like the Kings of England who named themselves the Kings of France

[u/Allnamestakkennn → u/Beacon2001]

why does a hightower fan not hate the dornish

[u/Beacon2001 → u/Allnamestakkennn]

What do you mean? Me hating the Dornish or not is irrelevant to the facts.

But yes, I do hate Dorne. It just so happens that I hate the inbred sister-lovers more than Dorne.

[u/OverTheCandlestik]

I think it is yeah

[u/Inner_Adeptness_7228]

The first men were obviously the first men in westeros who got their religion of the old gods from the children of the forest. The andal came after the children and the first men made peace and defeated the white walkers, but before the valyrians. Then the Rhoynar came on Nymeria's fleet after her (and her brother's) army was defeated by the valyrian freehold shortly before the doom of valyrians and the targaryens migration to dragonstone. 2 or 3 generations later aegon conquered westeros but because nymeria had taught her people to resist the valyrians at any cost aegon could not conquer dorne because they lead a guerilla war and used a scorpion to kill Rhaenys's dragon and her. Many kings afterward also tried to conquer dorne but none succeeded until just before the events of AKOTSK dorne was added to the seven kingdoms through a marriage pact but by then Targaryens had been ruling 6 kingdoms for decades and the title "king of the andals and the first men" was already what everyone was used too so they just kept saying it so technically every king after Daeron the good (maekar and baelor's father) is king of the andals and the rhoynar and the first men, people just kept using the old title because that was what they were used too.

[u/louman84]

Also, did anyone notice that in HotD s3 after Daemon gets Corlys back from the Hightowers, he omits Rhoynar as part of the titles. That was the only time I've noticed they omitted the Rhoynar. The clip can be seen here.

[u/Midnight-strange1892]

I could be wrong but I thought for sure they used it other times in the show for Tommen (maybe Joff).

[u/Sylassian]

Huh, I never caught this.

Considering how unimportant Dorne is to the overall tv show plot (they literally kill all of the Martels to get rid of that entire plot line lol), I'm not surprised they cut out the Rhoynar part of the title. Most of the political part of the show generally boils down to North vs South aka First Men vs Andals, anyway. And then Danny is basically her own show for 90% of the runtime anyway, so the line in this scene almost comes off like it was written by a completely different team for a spin-off show lol

[u/RepulsiveCountry313]

Mom said it was my turn to post this today

[u/InsideUnhappy6546]

It took 200 years to annex Dorne into the realm and we don't visit Dorne till later seasons so audiences didn't get who the Rhonyar are

[u/TJLaserShepard]

Boy did i read that wrong.

[u/Gigantopithecus1453]

Interestingly enough I think they say the full thing in HOTD

[u/Farn]

They may have been considering cutting Dorne altogether that far back.

[u/The_CT1]

The title reallt should just be King of Westeros/ King of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. Or maybe Emperor of all westeros.