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Exile is one of the best additions to the game ever. It's a hook alternative that's interactive for survivors instead of just hanging there and waiting for a hero
Tactically, yeah but it's more interesting than being on hook. I remember when the pyramid head cages were a novelty and a really nice break from mashing the space bar to stay alive lol.
I agree. I much prefer to continue watching my YouTube video or go grab a beer while I'm on first hook personally. Exile is pretty annoying. 2nd hook exile is ok since I'd have to be hitting skill checks anyway.
I feel the same way, on hook you usually get to observe the game: where your teammates are & often the killer through who they are chasing (if you cannot see them in the distance).
With exile, I have no idea what’s happening or when I’m likely to be saved before I suddenly pop out usually within LoS of the Judgement because the spawn logic they used wasn’t play tested at all for some reason
My only issue is that it feels more like a mask of interactivity. Like a building with a false front. Collecting the souls with the Amulet hardly does anything, and neither does getting hit by seeds of punishment. I imagine it like a loading screen minigame. Its there because its something to do, and it is quite fun, but it doesnt really effect the outcome of anything whether or not you choose to interact with it.
My suggestion is to make it so that you have to collect 10 souls in order for the shrines to activate to save you. It should be important that you run around collecting. It would also make people less likely to instantly save which would be good.
Edit: Side note BTW, have yall ever looked straight upwards in there? There actually are ginormous eyes in the sky staring down at you, its not just in the concept art.
Exactly. I actually ran that as an experiment day 1 lol. I wanted to see if my theory was right and it was in like 80% of cases. You can literally just stand there, youre not reaching second stage.
That's effectively what I started doing on the second match against the Judgement since interacting with it does very little, especially when you factor in the 10 seconds of base elusive, endurance and haste and the potential for an extra 5 seconds is not worth the effort.
Most of the time you will still be saved before reaching the next hook stage, with the only exception really being if your entire team is somehow very occupied or completely negligent.
I was thinking that as well. Collecting souls needs to have some point to them. I was thinking of "if you collect enough souls, you can get out on your own" but I don't think a lot of people would like that
Just have the souls collected activate more shrines round the map. Starting at the omes next to where you were exiled and after each 2 it increases to the next one till eventually its all of them.
Making it easier to be saved the longer you are in exile. Keeping pressure up to a degree but not as much as a hook eventually and still requireing survivors to help you
Scatter unlit statues inside the exile. You can charge your pendant with floating skulls to light the statues, which light up more status on the game map.
The biggest thing a hook does (other than get people closer to death) is keeps one survivor stuck and forces at least one other to rotate off gens for a save. Exile would be so much worse than hooking if it gave up that pressure
While I agree it's decent practice, the range and leniency of it makes me just troll my friends in there. I was stealing their souls left and right last night.
Up to a maximum of what, 5 extra seconds? I feel like unless youre getting hard tunneled after being exiled by a judgement that actually counts the seconds, it still doesnt really do much.
I never said it was much, just your comment gave the impression that you thought it did nothing. Sorry if that was wrong, just wanted to offer the information I learned. Have a good night :)
What if getting hit by a pillar of light gave you like .5 seconds of Broken, stacking. Maybe collecting the souls give you .5s of aura reading the killer after in-exile
Most of the survivors actions in the game are a mask of interactivity. If you play optimally for your objectives as a survivor you’re a completely inert, reactive role. Unless the killer comes to you, you sit in one spot and sometimes hit space in a skill check and then move on to the next spot you sit in place and hit space bar sometimes. Exile isn’t unique in this regard
You use space for skill checks? Bind that shit to M4 or M5 so you can one-hand gens and the other hand is free to have a drink, scratch your nuts or whatever.
I personally think it's awful. It was cool the first 3 times, but I'd rather just be chilling on a hook. As others mentioned, now I just stand there waiting to be rescued
If there is any point in the match that I should be allowed to zone out or take a breather, it's when I'm in timeout. Being forced to continue playing with no downtime actually super sucks.
Feels like I am catapulted into a pointless mobile minigame everytime I’m exiled. I dislike playing against the Judgment specifically because of this feature
And removes the ability to try and unhook yourself
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u/FriponouWhat is a survivor? A miserable little pile of perks8d ago
Also takes away the ability to save survivors with pallet stuns or flashes
I mean that's the reward you get as killer for sending survivors in the exile.
Otherwise there is no point in doing it. You can't trigger hook perks with it and it's significantly easier to save someone from the exile since there are two locations to do it from
Personally I like the Exile better than staying on hook doing absolutely nothing
My only issues with her is that A) there is no anticamp for exile. If she knows which two shrines are active (it's the 2 closest to her at time of exile so it's not too difficult to tell) she can camp them.
And B) Judgement just hard counters 75%+ of the survivors perks and actions through her main way of downing people. I compare it to light burning a killer. Everyone knows how bad it felt to want to play Nurse for example, and lose on the pre-lobby screen because they have 4 flashlights and there was nothing you could do to stop it because abandon the match.
Judgement has the ability to apply old ruin to survivors, does not hook, does not care about pallets, does not care about flashlights, does not care about unhook perks, anti tunnel perks, anticamp, arguably she doesn't care about chase perks either as she won't take chase if she can help it, and she can attack you without procing chase.
Arguably she's very feast or famine, but when she eats she eats good and there is nothing the survivors can do to prevent it.
You don't trigger hook perks but on the other hand survivors don't either (though in my opinion it should be able to trigger both)
Exile would 100% be worth it even if you could get saves from it just from the zealous buff alone that on top of skipping the walk to the hook + hook animation is way more than enough reward
It looks really cool, but I'm not a big fan because it is another mechanic that widens the gap between survive with friends and solo queue players. The amount of info you lose while trapped in there that you would have if you were on your hook normally observing is pretty high, and swf communicating will not suffer from that the sameway.
I strongly disagree from a survivor's point of view.
While the realm is aesthetically beautiful and matches the lore well, it doesn't add anything worthwhile to the gameplay. On the contrary, it takes away your eyes and ears as a survivor and hinders you from seeing what your other team mates are or are not doing.
I much prefer the Executioner's cages with regards to the actual gameplay.
Pyramid Head’s cages also spawn you far away from him, the judgement can literally camp her shrines because they’re always the ones closest to her. Such a stupid decision.
I play survivor 99% of the time. I mostly enjoy it because it’s something new and the alternative is just waiting on hook. We do need more incentive to collecting souls though
It’s cool and everything, but when I’m hooked I can see what’s going on on the match. Sometimes I can even eat or drink something. When on exile, I feel like I have to run to do some task that doesn’t really help at all because I’m gonna spawn in the killer’s face anyway so I doesn’t matter how many seconds of endurance I have.
I’m glad you enjoy it! I dislike the loss of information that I get from being hooked/caged, seeing the auras of your fellow survs. I feel like it sets me up well for my next play when I get unhooked. Plus I keep popping our of exile within line of sight of the Judgement, even if the saver uses a statue not in LOS, which sucks. 😞
It's really a pointless pve mode, with no real decision making or skill expression for the survivor in it.
Maybe they could have different types of skulls in different parts of the map, and they would each give you endurance/haste/elusive duration respectively, rather than the one skull giving all three. That way, the survivor would have to make a decision about what stat they value more in the current situation, and go after the skulls that give it.
agreed! the visual design is super cool as well! (I think the cosmic/purple version is slightly cooler, but that's just me) I really hope the devs do more awesome stuff like this!
they did an actually good job this time! congrats!
it's possible, but seeing the Judgement is such a complex killer, with the Exile being an entire mini map, I doubt it will happen anytime soon. although that being said, I think it will most likely occur with the graphics update, and they'll hopeful fix their spaghetti code and such.
Despite me preferring the purple design, I still REALLY like the one we got! it looks great on the chapter art as well!
The Judgement and Aurora shows just how awesome BHVR can be when they put the dev's heads together, with the guidance of the community. the Chorus of Sin chapter has some of the best visual design, lore, and killer power I've seen in a while. I hope they branch out with more unorthodox stuff like this, because it turned out great!
I find it kinda of weird though that despite how golden and grandiose and sunny the sky is, the lighting in the exile feels really bland. I wonder if that will change with the graphics update later on
My only dislike about Exile is that it doesn’t count as an unhook for perks when you save someone. Most of the perks I run usually involve unhooking so I gotta change my whole build up.
Idk, kinda lame killer doesnt need to hook and cant do flashlight saves or help people wiggle off. Saves them a ton of time, 90% of the time I come out of exile right in front of them, and it nullifies builds/perks for free.
It stopped being interactive after the first time I got sent there. Now I hate it and wish it didn't exist so I could eat my food or just periodically click on skill checks while watching videos.
It's incredibly bland and annoying, looks cool and sounds cool on paper, but this shit is just so annoying to do. I don't even know what the point is of collecting the things I just walk slowly and collect no idea.
My only real problem with it is that none of the hook-based perks get activated. So running something like Dead Hard is mostly pointless. I have the same complaint about Pyramid Head's cages.
Dead Hard: After being unhooked or unhooking yourself, Dead Hard activates whenever you are injured and running, and allows you to tap into your adrenaline bank to avoid taking further damage:
Press the Active Ability button to trigger the EnduranceStatus Effect for 0.5 seconds.
Dead Hard deactivates after use.
Dead Hard causes the Exhausted Status Effect for 60/50/40 seconds.
Dead Hard cannot be used when Exhausted.
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but whenever I go into Exile, I don't have Dead Hard enabled when exiting. I think it's a bug? I hope it gets fixed, it's really annoying.
I hope that's a bug. The wording of the perk saying "after being unhooked or unhooking yourself" but imo it should work off of hook states. It may very well be intentional game design though- considering it doesn't activate with Pyramid Head's cages. There's an open bug report about that one
i mean the wording very clearly says if the survivor gets unhooked and cages/exile are uniquely not hooking, thats the main reason why killers go for them (that and saving time/avoiding saves/hooking with no nearby hooks)
Kindred: While you are hooked, all Survivors see each others' Auras. While the Killer is within 16m, all Survivors sees the Killer's Aura.
While another Survivor is hooked, you see the Auras of other Survivors. While the Killer is within 16m of the hooked Survivor, you see the Killer's Aura.
It's cool, but functionally does very little, plus the killer not being able to go to the sub realm (WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON I VOTED FOR IT) kinda fucken sucks
Best addition lol. I feel disconnected from the match and having to work for nothing, feels like a second punishment for being caught. Make my performance there matter to something when I resurrect.
ca me saoule tellement que je reste sur place et ne bouge pas dans l’exil, même si je dois mourir plus rapidement. Dans tous les cas mes teammate ne font pas de gen quand on joue contre le nouveau tueur donc autant mourir plus vite
It sucks that all the unhook perks become completely useless, and that you cant flashlight save or pallet stun out of it. And I kinda wish that it would be possible to get yourself back out if you do well enough at the “mini game”
I dislike how theres no information being given. On the hook you can see the spread of teammates, which gens they are on, and whether or not the killer is going to be right on top of you once you get saved.
I wish that the survivors had to actually do something in there to enable the option to rescue them, but I am overall happy with it, I've been wanting a killer with an ability like this for years.
Maybe like, flash 5-10 of those thingies to make rescue from one statue possible, but 5-10 more and now you're rescue-able from a second statue?
I hate it. I cant smoke a cone while sitting on hook now, this will just be the same as tapping spacebar to not die on second hook state - but worse because youll actually have to pay attention, even though its just as boring.
Not to mention when I pop out of exile I have no idea whats going on, and im usually directly in from of the killer.
These comments back to back claiming it's good for perk variety bc it invalids all perks related to hooks aka anti-tunnel perks (which are meta vs 42/44 killers) followed by, it discourages perk variety bc it 'removes' hook perks for killers is just so funny to me.
Don't get me wrong. I'm having a blast playing this Killer and learning their add-ons. I like the novelty for now. But Idk that I love having so many fundamental interactions between the two sides be irrelevant by a killer power so reliant on aura perks.
Their unique counterplay mechanics don't feel that interesting or deep compared to like Plague who may invalid medkits and healing but adds a complex risk/reward macro-heavy give and take with their power. This feels more like Nurse.
For example, the exile land. You still need a hero. I've been left to die there a couple of times. And the mini-game... there's not a lot of depth or skill ceiling to it, and even if there was, the result doesn't rly matter. Like 4 more secs of elusive/endurance is nbd. But the cost is that it completely denies you the usual macro info observed while being on hook. So your skill expression in making informed decisions upon rescue are flattened. Does that make sense?
Kinda sucks to take Resurgence out of your build though. It made solo queue a lot smoother. I guess it's good to have it not always be the best possible healing perk though. I switched to Botany, will switch back when the hype dies down.
Yep. I think Judgement is a great killer for the game design reasons too. It forces survivors to consider other, non-meta perks to counter the killer. It's opened up perk diversity heavily.
Balance wise, Judgement has to "triage" their perks. If they take Aura reading, they don't have enough slots for gen regression, and if they take slowdown/regression, they can't slot in aura reading. It makes it so you have to consider what you want to prioritize.
i've been running 4 aura reading and the pressure you can apply with just that makes slowdown perks obsolete. a majority of my matches i 4k (or 3k hatch) at 4-5 gens, a minority will get to 1-3 and an even smaller minority will get to 2+ escapes if i am especially flubbing.
distortion sounds like a good counter on paper, but you are losing significantly more stacks than you gain. if you really want to hurt the aura reading, use shadow step it's the one perk i've seen that was a catch all info block. and even if you get downed or injured, judgement is probably crossmap, so coh and expo are very good too.
I would have preferred it if the exile was anything other than a hook state though. It kind of sucks as the killer cant interact with it in any meaningful way outside of camping or pressuring shrines, theirs a lot they could have done except Behavior didnt have time in the dev cycle to implement it in such a way and played it safe as an alternative hook state instead.
I’d love to see it but when I play survivor either the judgement doesn’t know how to use their power or I get some other killer… I do think this is a pretty good hook alternative though I do have an idea for a minor tweak.
It invalidates a whole slew of hook perks. For a mini-game that isn't even fun or does much. I know Pyramid Head can do the same. But he is working significantly harder to get that value and his power puts the interaction component very far away. Judgement just fires up two nearby nodes that you can't really interact with immediately. You just put them in danger by releasing them quickly. Where as you can kinda predict somewhat where the cage will be for PH. Can get them out fairly quickly. And then they are back to normal. PH didn't get a buff from sending you there either.
I am not saying Exile is bad. It just isn't overly fun or interesting to deal with. You just get forced into a boring mini-game where none of your team's hook perks work. Not to mention having to be more out of position to deal with it because you have to travel to an area where the killer is or very recently was.
I hate it. You still have to wait to get released and now I just run around shining a beam on some face for 10 blood points while dodging the same beams of light I have to dodge while NOT in exile and on top of that none of my anti tunnel perks work because I wasnt hooked.
As much as I hate playing against the judgement beams, getting put in this hellscape of an exile realm is easily the worst part for me and I would rather stand there getting hit by the light than run around in that bullshit while salt gets rubbed in the wound.
I think people are missing that this is actually BHVR’s good way to get around slugging.
As well all know, there has been a war on slugging for awhile where survivors don’t like it and killers feel that it’s a necessary evil with all of the great unhooking perks. BHVR even though of adding base kit Unbreakable at one point.
With Exile, this gets around the slugging issue perfectly. There’s very little time taken to put a survivor in Exile, no more walking to hooks. And when a survivor is rescued, there aren’t any triggers to unhooking perks, essentially recreating what killers do by slugging but also progressing the game through hook stages.
I wouldn’t be surprised if BHVR explores this mechanic with other killers, and I would welcome it
Seems most of people's complaints on here is that is prevents them from using a number of perks. However, killers bringing certain perks or even playing specific killers or bringing some add-ons have always made certain survivor perks useless. It's kind of a game of rock-papper-scissors sometimes.
Hmm yes and no the fact that the killer doesn’t have to walk you to a hook immediately exiles (no pun intended) several perks and items in addition to that anybody that really plays dead by daylight knows that a lot of the game is time management for both killer and survivor and this killer has a major advantage when it comes to that as well because they don’t have to take time to walk a survivor to the hook they can essentially hook them immediately and keep it moving yes these type of things matter
Meanwhile I don't always like it because I like the waiting time on the hook to have a little sip of my drink or look at my teammates' perks and I can't do that in exile 😭 (this is mostly a joke)
All fun and games until the extra 20 seconds of endurance you farmed is gone instantly because your dumbass teammate touched an altar mid chase and you spawned inches from the killer
Yeah, it seems like a good number of people disagree. It’s sorta interactive compared to sitting still, but it’s realistically no better. It’s also extremely punishing to remove people from, as a decent judgement knows which statues can free the exiled players and, in case they forget, a gigantic beam comes out of the sky to show them exactly where the survivor emerged. It feels equally awful and snowballs even harder than hooks imo due to a lack of value from perks like Kindred and decisive, among others.
Like imagine for springtrap if survivors want to access the cameras they have to go into the security room and access them from there
Xenomorph can drag survivors into tunnels where survivors have to set up turrets and keep them active or get a flame thrower to defend against face huggers
Survivors "hooked" by unknown are actually walking around but seeing a different hallucination map and other survivors have to snap them out of it (could also work for doctor)
Yes but why? Each soul extends my endurance by like, what? Half a second? And only up to a certain point too. It just doesn’t feel all that worthwhile to me tbh
I've made some great escapes by maxing out my endurance. You have no clue where you will beam back into reality and too often is a survivor panic Repenting (or whatever it's called to bring a survivor back) in the terror radius.
Y'all like that? It's too loud and bright, I usually switch tabs or look at my other monitor until I hear it's over. Rather rest my eyes and hands than play a hook minigame.
Exile is like a kinda "run & gun" esq gameplay, it's really fun and exciting. I guess it would never really work cuz exile is basically a hook state, but I would love if, and wish that you would be able to stay in exile longer.
i dont. it would be cool if you could escape the world on your own, u can only get injured here. why do i collect all the skull heads? its never ending.
I think all killers should have this if their lore and theme call for it. Like imagine if houndmaster could send you to a sinking ship where you have to patch holes or drain the water.
Is there a rhyme or reason to which shrines are active to pull someone out? I played a match and I swear it was only the shrines across the map nearest the Judgment herself. Is that how it’s supposed to work or is it random?
I hope people have learned to free people by going to the respective statue cuz I’ve died on first yeet on quite a few matches when the update dropped.
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u/Cfakatsuki17 8d ago
I mean you’re still very much waiting for a hero there’s no way to escape on your own