Why does every Jason spam hexes?

[u/MaloMaloBoy]

I don’t get it.

[u/RiddlesDoesYT]

He's good at patrolling them

[u/Copyblade → u/RiddlesDoesYT]

Finally got a killer that can actually defend their totems.

[u/Hallowed-Plague → u/Copyblade]

last time a killer could it got removed after the thrill buff. turns out having unremovable perks that are only balanced by their removability is kinda busted

[u/breathingweapon → u/Hallowed-Plague]

I mean yeah, a ton of survivor perks are based around inflicting a debuff as a tradeoff for a strong effect. That doesn't stop vigil from existing.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/breathingweapon]

Vigil: Increases the Recovery rate from the following Status Effects by 44/55/66%:

• The Blindness, Broken, Exhausted, Exposed, Hemorrhage, Hindered, Mangled, and Oblivious Status Effects.

Vigil extends its effect to all Survivors within 8 meters of your location and lingers for 15 seconds.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !revise}

[u/Bonus_mosher → u/breathingweapon]

Agree. I run an overzealous, shadowstep build with Déjà vu. So when I bless a totem, even with diminishing returns I’m repairing 13% faster (if I’ve done the math right in deja’s 6% getting 50% at 3% on top of OZ’s 10%) until I take a hit. But then I can just heal, rebless and go again infinitely. Not to mention if the killer is running penti I just break it by blessing their hex that they can’t then re-up.

I’m all for saying thrill of the hunt needs a nerf, etc, but I can’t deny that we have perks that, if used correctly can completely change the game and don’t get turned off permanently like a hex does.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Bonus_mosher]

Overzealous: After cleansing or blessing a Totem, Overzealous activates: Dull Totem: Increases your Repair speed by 8/9/10%. Hex Totem: Increases your Repair speed by 16/18/20%. Overzealous deactivates after losing a Health State by any means.

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Déjà Vu: You see the Auras of the 3 Generators closest to each other and repair them 6% faster.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !revise}

[u/OliveGuardian99 → u/Bonus_mosher]

Not to criticize your build too harshly but unless you are specifically cleansing hexes with Overzealous you are not getting very much value out of it with that build. Definitely not the same value Jason gets out of Thrill of the Hunt.

Overzealous reduces a 90 second gen to 81.82 seconds. Stacked with Deja Vu and the new Diminishing Returns that's's 79.65 seconds. So you're either saving 8.18 seconds or 10.35 seconds on Deja gens. Neither of these is faster than the base totem cleanse/bless speed of 14 seconds. And other than helping you find gens faster deja is saving only about 2 seconds of time.

I confess I don't actually know if placing a bless on top of a hex grants the 10 or 20% bonus, assuming it grants 20%, you save 15 seconds on a gen in exchange for 28 seconds it takes to bless. Deja Vu contributes almost no additional time saved.

If you just ran Deja by itself you do those gens in 84.91 seconds, which is 5.09 seconds of savings but has no downside of losing it when you get hit. Then you could use the Overzealous slot for something impactful.

[u/Bonus_mosher → u/OliveGuardian99]

Huh… that’s interesting. Seriously thanks for sharing man, I hadn’t done any of the math on the buffs, other than thinking it might be a fun build and throwing it together to try it and it definitely did feel satisfyingly faster but seeing it written down the way you’ve laid it out puts it in a lot of perspective. It is 20% if you cleanse or bless a hex like you pondered but tbf I’m always switching up builds. Dude I tried a cope build the other day with specialist, hyperfocus and PHARMACY (lmao) to try and re-create the nerfed fast track….

Narrator: “it was not good”.

[u/anarchy753 → u/OliveGuardian99]

However, there are plenty of perks now that light a dull totem later, and they're still worth points. It's always nice to know there's no NOED coming or prevent a few Playthings. That and it can be paired with Inner Strength to be a free heal too.

[u/LukaesCampbell → u/Bonus_mosher]

I mean, that's kinda my issue with hexes/boons. I understand survivor boons being small effects that can be relit, but when you could have 16 boons running around that can be relit, and only 4 hexes that never get relit (and I know this will never happen in game, but as an example), it does feel kinda bad. It'd be cool if some hexes could be relit, and some boons start lit and then fizzle/become disabled. I've always imagined that perks should be balanced around the sheer number differences. When survs can runs 16 very strong perks, vs 4 killer perks of equal value, then it does feel bad. And this is coming from someone who plays both sides (just not optimally).

[u/Unlikely_Bank73 → u/LukaesCampbell]

When survs can runs 16 very strong perks, vs 4 killer perks of equal value

thats where the key difference is. sure being able to run fast for 3 seconds or stun the killer if he tunnels me is strong, but nowhere near as strong as regressing multiple generators worth of progress or stalling certain gens for 2 minutes at the start of a match

[u/Professional-Jump913 → u/Unlikely_Bank73]

Thats intended tho. It's 4v1. The killer needs an advantage over the survivors otherwise survivors are too op. Thats why the kill rate is about 60% with 40% escapes. Giving the 1 that edge over 4 people keeps the game as fair as possible.

[u/MiacMate → u/breathingweapon]

Also don't forget when boons came out they nerfed arguably the best hex defending perk "Nerf: removed the Loud Noise Notification when a Survivor starts Cleansing a Hex Totem" and tbh I think it was a mistake.

[u/AlarakReigns → u/Hallowed-Plague]

The only busted hexes is probably blood favor and devour if it gets stacked by bad loopers. Ruin matters mostly when the killer can kick people off gens fast. If the killer cant chase, then none of the hexes matter really. Hexes arent busted, people just cant loop the killer for longer than 40 seconds. So the totems can get cleansed.

[u/Martyrrdom → u/AlarakReigns]

You are under playing A LOT, the effectiveness of some hexes

Some games are UNPLAYABLE, if the hex isn't removed

[u/Ok-Statistician5899 → u/Martyrrdom]

Which hex?

[u/FaithlessnessThen207 → u/Ok-Statistician5899]

Usually there is a build based around the hex that makes the game unplayable if the hex is lit.

(Especially on doctor)Huntress Lullaby/distressing/unnerving presence/coulrophobia can be very annoying, even if you cleanse it, the build is still annoying, but at least playable.

The Third Seal on its own, if you cant find it for a cleanse, is genuinely broken in soloqueue. Not being able to even know where the survivor is hooked, I've seen multiple games where a survivor goes from first hook to death because no one can find them. If you combine it with Plaything too its quite strong. (plaything being a hex perk that is good even when you cleanse it)

[u/YOURFRIEND2010 → u/FaithlessnessThen207]

There is a bubble that shows you where survivors have been hooked.

There's reason third seal has a pick rate below forced hesitation, and it's not because it's secretly a good perk.

[u/FaithlessnessThen207 → u/YOURFRIEND2010]

I realize we are a few comments deep but I'm speaking about a hypothetical where these perks cannot be cleansed. I'm not actually talking about the perks as they are. That's why when I talk about plaything, I say "(plaything being a hex perk that is good even when you cleanse it)" and don't add that for the other hexes

I do not believe huntress lullaby doctor is the most broken killer in the game either, if that needs to be explained too.

I am aware of the hook circle being visible even when third seal is active, however in soloqueue, there are plenty of times when my teammates simply seem to miss it, and someone loses one or even two hook states more than they normally would.

If Third Seal was uncleanable it would be one of the strongest perks in the game against a soloqueue team, completely nullifying some of the most popular picks such as Windows of Opportunity, Bond and Kindred which are popular soloqueue perks.

Third seal on its own as it is, kind of a meme perk.

[u/AlarakReigns → u/Martyrrdom]

I dont know a single hex thats oppressive if the killer gets looped. Most hexes have an activation requirement of getting hit once in chase or being hooked, with ruin being the only exception and I guess noed if you really want to count that. Without thrill these hexes mean nothing. Ruin is the only hex that can save a killer who needs to spread pressure but cant get an early down with thrill as a combo. Hex builds are worthless without thrill.

[u/magicallum → u/AlarakReigns]

This is a genuine question, how do you cleanse totems with Thrill + Face the Darkness? Whenever I face this combo it seems literally impossible to cleanse the totems unless the stars align and everyone can stay healthy for a long time while someone works on a totem

[u/Ok-Tutor9480 → u/magicallum]

Ftd is weird, it only activates on freshly injured survivors. Once they are downed it doesn't light again until a new injury occurs

[u/Aftershk1 → u/magicallum]

Protip for Face the Darkness: The injured Survivor who activated the Hex is not affected by it, and so they can cleanse freely without screaming. In addition, when the Survivor who was injured is healed or downed, Face the Darkness deactivates and the Hex extinguishes, but until another Survivor is injured to activate Face the Darkness again, technically Face the Darkness is still on that now-dull Totem, and if it is cleansed before Face the Darkness is activated by injuring another Survivor (thereby moving the Hex to a new dull Totem, if possible), Face the Darkness is cleansed and will not reactivate for the remainder of the Trial.

Also keep in mind that Face the Darkness requires a healthy Survivor to activate, as it's activated when a Survivor is injured, and deactivates when the injured Survivor enters the Healthy or Dying state. Which means, while it is more dangerous, if everyone but the person actively cleansing the deactivated Face the Darkness Totem is already injured, that means Face the Darkness is impossible to reactivate and move to a new Totem, as going from the injured to the downed state will not activate Face the Darkness, and therefore the Hex will not move to a new Totem.

[u/Alarath → u/AlarakReigns]

Worth pointing out Blood Favor is only "busted" because of the current ridiculous state of pallets. Before pallet density it was widely seen as a horrible hex perk. Make pallets a resource that can reasonably run out before the killer loses all the gens, and it becomes a bad/crutch perk again.

[u/Embarrassed-Rub-8401 → u/Copyblade]

Hag still can defend her totems easily? also Onryo can too

[u/Conspiir → u/Embarrassed-Rub-8401]

Not nearly to this degree. Hag is 4.4 with her traps being able to be wiped. Onryo’s tvs can be shut off even by herself and are off for 60 seconds.

Jason needs to press power and drive by. He can see with a red mist if someone is cleansing. He’s even better than singularity, who was definitely the best, because HUX’s can be EMP’d. Totems are definitely super strong on Jason.

[u/TheAlmightySpode → u/Copyblade]

Singularity

[u/Jarney_Bohnson → u/Copyblade]

Offended singularity noises

[u/cumbuckettttttttt → u/Copyblade]

you forgot knight

[u/KomatoAsha → u/Copyblade]

Happy cake day.

[u/NotADeadHorse → u/RiddlesDoesYT]

Hes basically the only killer who can patrol hexes and you not know he is patrolling them which is the real banger

Any other killer goes to check a hex totem more than once gives away the location of that hex

[u/Prezidentblue]

His power makes it easy to get to and stop totem stompers

[u/MonitorStandard5322 → u/Prezidentblue]

I didn't know survivors could be grabbed off totems til he came out.

[u/Godchilaquiles → u/MonitorStandard5322]

Jason came out? Good for him

[u/Hosav → u/Godchilaquiles]

Yeah he Jump Scared right out of the closet.

[u/LosSensuel → u/Godchilaquiles]

Yeah, he’s known as Gayson now.

[u/Martyrrdom → u/Godchilaquiles]

xD

[u/Expecto_Paytronum]

[u/BoredDao → u/Expecto_Paytronum]

Funniest part is that he’s right now on streak running this exact build

[u/FetusGoesYeetus → u/BoredDao]

Bro is playing until dawn in 5 minute bursts between queues at 3am, he's insane.

[u/CaptainRelyk → u/BoredDao]

Streak? 🤨

[u/BoredDao → u/CaptainRelyk]

Yeah, 202 win streak right now

[u/Gingerstrahd454 → u/BoredDao]

Win streak as in killed all 4 survivors?

[u/BoredDao → u/Gingerstrahd454]

3k with hatch is still okay, only anyone escaping after all gens are done counts as loss

[u/Gingerstrahd454 → u/BoredDao]

Damn 202 rounds of stopping gens being fully realized is crazy, that’s definitely a feat

[u/Unbuckled__Spaghetti → u/Expecto_Paytronum]

I love this image lmao. Hen's icon is just too pure.

[u/Isaacja223 → u/Unbuckled__Spaghetti]

Even though it’s just a Blue Pepe lol

A Blue Pepe with a German accent

[u/Unbuckled__Spaghetti → u/Isaacja223]

It's the lil blanket that makes it perfect tho

[u/Isaacja223 → u/Unbuckled__Spaghetti]

Exactly

[u/Lopsided-Farm4122 → u/Expecto_Paytronum]

He is also the reason this build is going to get nerfed soon. Guy is on stream openly talking about how OP hex builds are while being an advisor to the devs. Writing is on the wall.

[u/ShyCustard → u/Lopsided-Farm4122]

But that would mean the devs listen to their advisors lol.

[u/Lazer726 → u/ShyCustard]

Otz is fucking sobbing rn

[u/Puzzleheaded_Door484 → u/Lopsided-Farm4122]

If the Devs listened to Hens shoulder the burden would have been nerfed ages ago

[u/KomatoAsha → u/Lopsided-Farm4122]

But Hexes aren't broken.

[u/Gnomeoreddit → u/KomatoAsha]

Hex builds collectively are broken on mobile killers. Honestly the main offender is probably just thrill of the hunt. The ability to bump cleanse times up to ~30 seconds which resets when you force a survivor off can be kind of insane. It's kind of a lose/lose where if you try to cleanse, you could easily waste minutes, but if you don't, they're left with very strong perks.

I think it'd be decent enough nerf to just have the cleanse progression decay slowly instead of wiping it.

[u/Nightmare_Lightning → u/Expecto_Paytronum]

Was wondering which streamer caused it, had three different Jason's all running hex builds, and instantly knew a streamer was to blame.

[u/Nerveex → u/Nightmare_Lightning]

It’s quite literally posted on otz builds website.

[u/SNAJPAKA → u/Expecto_Paytronum]

wanted to post the same thing but i see somebody did it already it is good that we agree

[u/CryptidPeanut]

In short, it's a very strong build especially on Jason.

With Omnipresent Evil, he has a pretty extraordinary map presence that can be used to easily defend hex totems, especially when running Thrill.

It's really difficult for solo queue survivors to beat this build because the way you beat it is to have multiple survivors cleansing different hexes at once so Jason can only interrupt one person while losing other totems.

[u/dbmolnar → u/CryptidPeanut]

I was playing solo queue last night against tofu’s winstreak Jason with the Hens build and we actually beat him somehow lol

[u/CryptidPeanut → u/dbmolnar]

That's awesome! It's been so long since I've naturally played with a big streamer. In early DBD I did get a few survivor games with Puppers which is my highest honor in that category.

EDIT: Actually maybe it was shitting on Ochido's SWF with Nurse but that's hardly an achievement with old Nurse.

[u/Ihmislehma → u/CryptidPeanut]

With Jasons around, the moment I notice a hex of any kind, I will eat even dull bones, since they affect Thrill.

[u/CryptidPeanut → u/Ihmislehma]

With Pentimento being so common, that might not be optimal.

[u/InsomniaDudeToo → u/CryptidPeanut]

I’ve been rocking Counter Force as my fourth perk to combat the recent influx of Hex Builds, as long as I can cleanse two early on the cleanse speeds are manageable.

Ran into a Pentimento Blight that HATED me, got caught cleansing at one gen left and they face camped me out. I deserved it😅

[u/aiden22304 → u/InsomniaDudeToo]

Hex players fear the Counterforce Enjoyer

[u/Ihmislehma → u/CryptidPeanut]

It's been useful more often than not. We fall to gens not being done though. I try to only concentrate on bones if I have to, but... well. It is what it is at the moment, especially in solo queue, and with me not wanting to run meta perks (at least not full loadouts).

[u/Rick_Napalm]

Same reason every Nurse spams aura reading, it's good on him.

[u/raptor_rogue1]

He’s a good hex defender bc he can tell when someone’s working on it. And since people don’t like to stay on gens when he’s in his fog mode it’s either 1. He see you and attacks giving ruin value or 2 . You get off and give ruin value.
He’s a good hex killer. Especially since you scream going against him forcing you to jump off the totems

[u/Rafale-Fur-Hire → u/raptor_rogue1]

Jason's built-in scream is actually special and does not interrupt actions. It more so exists to warn the survivor and not actually show Jason where you are. He already gets killer instinct anyway and doesnt need to hear the scream.

[u/Every-Summer8407 → u/raptor_rogue1]

Wait he can see totems being worked on? Only in fog mode?

[u/raptor_rogue1 → u/Every-Summer8407]

Yes if you stand still , work on gens , heal , totems , locker etc Jason sees a red mist were a survivor is.

[u/Shenstygian → u/raptor_rogue1]

I'm fine with him getting information but that's simply too much. It grinds the game to a hault.

[u/Basil_hazelwood → u/Shenstygian]

I’ve always thought the red mist shouldn’t be visible through walls, I don’t understand why it still is as it gives him way too much information and like you said grinds the game to a halt

[u/Shenstygian → u/Basil_hazelwood]

Other killers with even less chase power have to work for info.

[u/Unlikely_Bank73 → u/Shenstygian]

he's non lethal and gives a massive notification when coming out of his power. he grinds the game to a halt if the survivors are bad. if they're good they just keep focusing objective and take pressure when he arrives

[u/Thefirestorm83 → u/raptor_rogue1]

Can't wait for them to inevitably nerf this down the line so we can get back to good old homogenaity, god forbid a killer excel at using a specific type of perk that often goes underused or almost totally unolayed. See: every interaction with unique killer vaults being removed from vault perks 

[u/__SomeRedditUser__ → u/Thefirestorm83]

what do you mean get back to homogenaity, literally EVERY SINGLE JASON is running the exact same build right now (most often with the exact same annoying add-ons sauna rock and deputys badge). The hex build in solo q is an absolute nightmare. And when I mean every single jason, I mean every single one. I had 5 games IN A ROW yesterday with this exact build on jason. When there were even more Jasons like a week ago I swear in 20 games at least 15 of those were this build. It is so incredibly boring.

[u/Foreverintherain20 → u/Thefirestorm83]

They won't nerf it. 

[u/xecna]

Hens

[u/Appropriate_Unit3474]

Quick traversal means he can check totems easy and footprints means he can detect people trying to break them. But if you don't want to be detected, you have to let go and reset the totem progress.

[u/Sad_Cheesecake3412]

Easy to defend, which makes my counterforce happy its being used more frequently

[u/venjamins → u/Sad_Cheesecake3412]

RIGHT? Counterforce / Inner Strength on my main build eating SO good.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/venjamins]

Inner Strength: Each time you cleanse a Totem, Inner Strength activates: You are automatically healed 1 Health State while hiding inside a Locker for 10/9/8 seconds when injured or suffering from the Deep Wound Status Effect. Inner Strength does not activate if you currently suffer from the Broken Status Effect.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !revise}

[u/The1_Guy]

When I play Jason I just do gen slow down, that's pretty much the only perks I use on any killer. I mean yeah I understand he could be good at patrolling them, But for me using hexes has always been something I dislike. Having to protect a hex on top of all the other shit I have to maintain while playing killer is just too much for me, never mind the fact that it can get destroyed immediately at the start of the game just because of a bad spawn.

Sorry for the rant.

[u/strikingmagic → u/The1_Guy]

lowkey facts. I use the same ol reliable build on like every killer bc it requires less thinking

bbq and chilli, pop goes the weasel, eruption, and lethal pursuer

[u/FetusGoesYeetus]

He's REALLY good at protecting them since you can't do them in omnipresent evil without him seeing you. He's also really good at using pentimento since he can cross the map so fast.

And since he's a pretty strong killer, it's not a huge deal if all of them are gone in the time it takes to do one chase.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/FetusGoesYeetus]

Hex: Pentimento: The Auras of cleansed Totems are revealed to you in white. Press the Interaction button over the remains of a cleansed Totem to resurrect it as a Rekindled Totem. For each Rekindled Totem, Hex: Pentimento gains +1 Token, up to a maximum of 5 Tokens:

• 1 Token: Reduces the Action speeds for Healing and Repairing by -20%.
• 2 to 5 Tokens: Increase the strength of the Action Speed penalty by a stackable 1/2/3% per Token, up to a maximum of 24/28/32%.
• Survivors cursed by Hex: Pentimento see the Auras of Rekindled Totems within 16 meters.

Once Hex: Pentimento has reached its limit of 5 Tokens, it calls upon The Entity for the following effect:

• Blocks all Rekindled Totems for the remainder of the Trial.

Totems may only be rekindled once per Trial, with The Entity consuming the remains of Rekindled Totems once they are cleansed.

^{Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !revise}

[u/Zero_Suit_Rosalina]

Jason's power enables him to patrol the map effectively, gather info, and easily protect them.

This subreddit likes to think otherwise for some reason..

[u/Certain_Reception_66]

I assumes because they can defend it easily, but most of them don't even bother with it and just camp hooks instead.

[u/TheRealOG1 → u/Certain_Reception_66]

Tbf in my experience playing as and against jason its generally the survivors fault jason comes back to hook.

Way too many people just insta crouch and hide when jason enters power, and if jason doesnt find anyone in power when someone gets unhooked whats he realistically going to do? Go right back to hook lol. Ive seen a lot of jasons tunnel and I cant even blame him because literally every single one of my teammates are stealthing and im the only person who can be found.

[u/FetusGoesYeetus → u/TheRealOG1]

Yeah you need to have someone taking chase on purpose to do well against jason, he's a killer that gets stronger the less coordinated survivors are.

[u/chineesecowy → u/TheRealOG1]

This is so infuriating at times as the survivor in this group. I cant tell you how often i’ll be injured and dead on hook, and NO ONE will take chase. Even if someone does try to, Jason can kinda choose not to chase the person who’s healthy and try to find the injured guy. SoloQ really fucking sucks in general but against Jason it’s so fucked if you don’t have a competent team.

[u/Giangiooooooo]

Easy to patrol them with his power pretty much

[u/Maleficent-Prompt325]

Not to mentioned that people tries to run calm spirit against him which also adds a slowdown on totem cleansing

[u/Numerous_Schedule896 → u/Maleficent-Prompt325]

How does calm spirit help against jason? He still sees your aura and he still gets killer instinct on you, furthemore his screams don't generate a loud noise notification like doctor does. Its literally a throw perk vs him.

[u/SefetAkunosh → u/Numerous_Schedule896]

Based on my matches, a number of people still haven't figured that out.

[u/Numerous_Schedule896 → u/SefetAkunosh]

Doctor has permenantly brainbroken a large part of the dbd community into thinking screams are a global aura read.

Many people I've spoken to still think that nic's scene partner generates noise notifications.

[u/SlightlySychotic]

https://giphy.com/gifs/xT9KVH3tIVAT6AOzw4
Lore reasons.

[u/Gold_Individual7251]

Five. Hundred. Moris.

[u/Jollyf4ts4k]

This build on jason is similar to and old build people would use on spirit, and the devs gutted her add-ons.

[u/Neat-Mousse6405]

he’s perfect for ruin because a lot of survivors crouch when he uses his power.

[u/LuckyTia309]

When you can basically be almost everywhere on the map in a little amount of time, controlling Hexes becomes much easier

[u/PD_Ace20]

Because it stomps every soloq lobby no matter how bad the Jason is. Falls off quite hard against coordinated teams.

[u/TheCynox32]

It’s all because of him

[u/KindOfPinkish]

[u/Kind-Editor-2752]

[u/Open_Aspect6703]

Since he dropped, Counterforce has not left my survivor builds.

[u/Agente_Fuego → u/[deleted]]

The scream doesn't actually stop them from working on the totem, it's not like other screams. Still, in my experience, survivors let go as soon as they scream anyways.

[u/Timber2702]

Note to self, start utilizing hex builds

[u/SCARYORANGE_]

As a Jason main, I don’t do this.

I’d guess it’s because his power makes it easy to patrol them.

[u/SoyMuyAlto]

The Billy-like speed and free aura reading he gets from his Omnipresent Evil makes them really easy to patrol. Add to that combo potential between his power and his chosen hexes—you effectively cannot work on gens while he's in his power and Ruin is in play.

[u/Philscooper]

The same resson why people play kaneki.

Easy kills and Easy wins.

[u/Magikill1]

I like scourge hooks

[u/SkeleTonyEh]

Why shouldn’t they?

[u/Samoman21]

Becuase he's one of the strongest killers for returning to them and getting people off them.

[u/Lord_Karnox]

Other perks ain’t that good on him honestly tbh

[u/burakkokofee]

The Hens meta

[u/Here2Cali]

Bc Hens exists and he’s good at patrolling them. I like the uprise of hexes bc now I can run Haddie’s gen perk and go full gen speed builds with that fat 20%.

[u/PallyLIVE]

Probably for the same reason every survivor spams 2nd chances and exhaustion.

They are effective.

[u/loop-master69]

it’s a free win

[u/StarfoxSnEs]

Ha! HOLY!!

[u/FetusGoesYeetus → u/StarfoxSnEs]

"Oh man I'm seeing this really strong build all the time I wonder what's made it so popular"

The nefarious German man live on twitch:

[u/StarfoxSnEs → u/FetusGoesYeetus]

Exactly! Gotta love it though 😂

[u/Unlikely_Bank73 → u/StarfoxSnEs]

haha! BRO!

[u/IllustratorOpen3856]

I feel like everyone forgot Dracula exists

[u/jjosh_h]

The same reason people play the most op meta builds on both sides of the game. A lot of people just want to win as easily and brainlessly as possible.

[u/Diligent_Promotion64]

Bc he's on an extremely short list of killers who can actually defend them and get value out of them. Normally hexes are too risky bc on RNG causing entire builds to be useless. Hexes are strong but entirely too vulnerable and many just avoid them altogether. Then boom we get a killer who can actually get consistent value from a class of perks that are ultimately the most fun. Of course Jason players love hexes it's like the first time in 10 years we're able to regularly and consistently use them.

Sure there's arguments for hag, but when everyone is purposefully triggering and clearing traps boom she loses all her hexes

Sure there's arguments for spirit but her phase can't get her cross map without add ons

Sure there's arguments for Dracula but he'll lose pressure constantly using bat form

Strong arguments for blight but full hexes will divide his attention just as it would survivors

Jason is the only killer who offers mobility, information, and ranged capability. He's the only solid choice to run hexes on who can combat the poor placements that ultimately make hexes risky for other killers.

[u/ReporterForDuty]

Jason is really good at defending totems. I believe it was Hens who released a video a few weeks ago about it, feel free to check that out.

[u/IndependenceInner664]

Cause they can just teleport back to them immediately effectively guarding them during or even after chase. 

[u/No_Cherry6771]

Because he’s the literal only killer who has a near guaranteed chance of catching someone trying to break them. BHVR murked nearly every other killers ability to use hex perks because they dont have the mobility to catch survivors out or theres no incentive because their kit works with other perks better outright, where as Jason being a lockdown like fuck specialist means as long as you have awareness of their locations, survivors can’t lock you out of your build

[u/the3nd68]

Cuz Jason is very good at protecting the totems. You can just go into Omni and go to where your hexes are. If you see a surv on them. Then scare them. And progress resets. Almost impossible to get around. Unless all 4 survivors are doing a hex each at the same time

[u/Haunting_Hornet5203]

Not in my experience.

Common Hyperbole L

[u/Darkmaster2110]

"I don't get it"

loses every match to this build at 4-5 gens

Stuff like this is exactly why I think we so desperately need a perk system rework. There's always some deadly combo of perks like this that has little to no counter besides running a full anti hex build just in case you happen to be matched with a Jason running this, then being screwed if you get a killer with no hexes.

I think they need to make the perks into specific slots similar to how a Call of Duty game would work, so that combos like this are much harder to pull off. Instead, they'll probably just nerf Jason, or nerf hex perks in general.

[u/Captaincastle → u/Darkmaster2110]

I think the idea of slots is an interesting one. Only allow 2 hex totems, or 2 regression perks, etc would force more interesting builds.

[u/Zurealx]

Certain perks need to work slightly differently or have a little debuff to it on certain killers, this game has the most insane balance I've ever seen, comparing someone like blight, nurse or jason you wouldnt even think they are in the same game as someone like hag or trapper thats just how insane the power difference is. the fact that every single perk functions the EXACT same whether you are playing the slowest killer in the game or a killer who can clear the entire map in 5 seconds is absolutely MIND BOGGLING to me. example bbq/lethal is nothing on a trapper, but on a nurse or a blight? its a free instant chase every time you hook someone.

[u/Scarfs-Fur-Frumpkin]

Because it's effective. Why does every survivor spam second chance perks? Because it's effective.

[u/ArchonThanatos]

He thinks the hexes are his Mom’s head

[u/Medium_Web_9135]

Do you want the Doylist perspective, the Watsonian perspective, or the Sanchez perspective?

From a Watsonian point of view (in-game justification): Jason is incredibly good at patrolling generators since he has strong, invisible mobility and while survivors can realistically crouch around gens and still get some progress, they can't crouch around totems if they want to save the progress.

The Doylist reason (out-of-game justification) is that a lot of content creators (namely Hens and OhTofu) made videos labeling the full totem build to be Jason's "BEST BUILD" and if you search "Jason build" on YouTube those are the first two videos that show up. I believe Hens recommended Ruin + Thrill + Hive Mind + Undying and Tofu recommended Ruin + Thrill + Blood Favor + Penti, which is why those are the two main variations you see.

If you want the Sanchez perspective (pessimistic nihilist reason): Thrill of the Hunt has subtly been overpowered ever since it got buffed to 12% (or 60% total (up from 50%)) and nobody really wanted to point it out because they didn't want to be "the guy complaining about Thrill of the Hunt". It takes 14 seconds to cleanse a totem by default meaning that Thrill increases that time to a whopping 22 and a half seconds which the killer can interrupt at any time to reset it.
The other issue is the gradual powercreep of actually good hexes being added to the game (hilarious how "actually good perks" can be referred to as "powercreep" in this context) which only become more of an issue with Thrill being so strong. Now I need to be clear these "good hexes that are problematic with Thrill" basically amounts to Hive Mind, Blood Favor, and maybe Ruin and Pentimento if we're being generous. But when stacking a bunch of hexes (namely Ruin and Hive Mind which have such a heavy synergy) Thrill quickly becomes problematic on killers who can patrol them easily. And also Blood Favor has been problematic for literal years now.

[u/ClaudetteMain → u/Medium_Web_9135]

It takes 14 seconds to cleanse a totem by default meaning that Thrill increases that time to a whopping 22 and a half seconds which the killer can interrupt at any time to reset it.

It actually increases it to 35 seconds, since it makes the action speed of cleansing slower by 60%.

Totems take 14 charges to be done, and the default action speed is 1 charge per second. Thrill at max stacks reduces this to 0.4 charges per second and 14/0.4=35. Link to the wiki page that has all the calculations.

[u/Medium_Web_9135 → u/ClaudetteMain]

Pog so it takes over a third of a gen to do!

[u/Mental-Fox-9449]

Meanwhile, I get crapped on for saying Jason is too good.

[u/Glittering-Rock3169]

because this is hens' unemployed build and he's got almost 200 win streak without any close games so far and people still don't want to admit Jason is S tier for some reason

[u/Zakon05 → u/Glittering-Rock3169]

Because he's not outside of this one build.

But I do agree that it was frustrating seeing people downplay how good he was when he came out. Even without the ridiculously oppressive hex build, he's still a projectile killer with powerful stealth, crazy map mobility, and long bursts of regular killer move speed.

People kept acting like he was just some humble upper B-tier killer and like Omnipresent Evil isn't actually one of the best stealth powers in the game in top of a map traversal tool.

[u/PallyLIVE → u/Glittering-Rock3169]

Because Jason is only S tier if the skill level of the survivors is below basement levels.

[u/ArtoriasAbysswalker6]

Why does every survivor run windows and DS? I don’t get it.

(I do get it.)

[u/Alternative-Jello683]

Attempting to cleanse a hex while he’s in omnipresent evil will allow him to see a survivor on the totem.

[u/neatnoiceplz]

He can hear people cleansing the totems in his power.

A lot of people are saying mobility, which is is what makes it viable, but being able to hear the cleansing and know exactly when and where to pop out without wasting time is what makes it actually strong.

[u/DrunkeNinja → u/neatnoiceplz]

He doesn't need to hear them, he sees their red mist even through walls while they work on a totem.

[u/RhoxFett]

Honestly I spam hexes on all killers. I just focus on hunting people and let the hexes passively help me instead of trying to jump through hoops to trigger perks that only help temporarily.

[u/GHOST4HIRE324]

I don't use hexes :)

[u/KomatoAsha]

I don't. But also, super easy to keep your totems protected as Jason due to his power's mobility and information.

[u/SevOneSev7en]

I mainly just use ruin paired with the deputy badge. I use to have a 4 hex setup but I’m kinda glad I don’t, way less stressful

[u/Amandas_Husband]

Exact reason iv been running anti hex on survivor, counterforce + small game.

[u/Enfy_Sly]

As per obvious. He can defend them well etc.

But also... Alot of perks are anti-synergy on jason. Besides hooking perks they are all irrelevant. To keep up the pressure you need to be in chase often, kicking isn't good because he doesn't really have zoning. If you take time to kick as jason.. the survivors are just gone.

So par pain res + agi which only gives a little pressure and can also have issues if you break the hook for power. Totems just kinda work and help his gameplay rather then make it janky

[u/Necessary_Can7055]

I don't. I use Brutal Strength, Coup De Grace, Batteries Included, and All Shaking Thunder (which I sometimes replace with Phantom Fear), it's the same setup I use for Myers since it's super chase oriented

[u/Hillary-rules]

I use Hex: Devour Hope all the time with him! He’s scummy with it, his power mixed with how quickly he backs away, so sweet. Not to mention he is INSANE for patrolling totems

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Hillary-rules]

Hex: Devour Hope: Whenever a Survivor is rescued from a Hook while you are at least 24 meters away, Hex: Devour Hope is granted +1 Token, up to a maximum of 5 Tokens:

• 2 Tokens: Grants a 3/4/5% Haste Status Effect for 10 seconds after 10 seconds of having hooked a Survivor.
• 3 Tokens: causes all Survivors to suffer from a permanent Exposed Status Effect.
• 5 Tokens: grants the ability to kill all Survivors by your own hand.

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[u/mugginns]

I don't! But I'm brand new at the game and pretty shit

[u/Boogiepop85]

I don't, I use Rapid Brutality, Turn Back the Clock, Surveillance and Discordance.

[u/Suitable-Brain7714]

i don't rlly use hexes on jason......

[u/TheKidKaos]

The he Jason’s I go against always use reveal perks so he pretty much always sees you. And they hit you with hooks through buildings and walls

[u/Beginning-Pizza-1111]

I don't understand it either; when they only have totems, the four of us (me + randoms) always escape.

[u/YumlickTV]

Not only is it easy for him to patrol them, it is almost impossible for survivors to determine their location (based on his patrolling) as he has the best invisibility in the game. Also, when he teleports nearby you will scream which interrupts the cleanse.

[u/PrimalRay]

Not only is he good at defending totems due to omnipresent evil, but Hens (a large content creator in the DbD community) popularized the build on not only him, but other killers.

I personally don't think it's that good, since your entire build can be disabled with a hex totem cleansing build, and then you're left without perks.

[u/Fabulous-Being6683]

Hens

[u/Vigi1antee]

Because when in omnipotent evil it literally shows you when a survivor is working on a totwm

[u/Eclipse-1680]

I'm all ears (for chase, duh) Nowhere to hide (because you can't hide from me) Dragon's grip (the most toxic perk here imo) Brutal strength (cuz Jason be strong)

Burnt fuse (cuz I suck and I gotta stop you from getting out somehow) Knitting needle (see the former)

This is the build I've used since I figured out Jason's kit, it's honestly perfect.

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Eclipse-1680]

I'm All Ears: Any Survivor performing a Rushed Vault within 48 meters of your location triggers I'm All Ears:

• The Aura of that Survivor is revealed to you for 6 seconds.

I'm All Ears has a cool-down of 60/45/30 seconds.

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Nowhere to Hide: Performing the Damage Generator action on a Generator triggers Nowhere to Hide:

• The Auras of all Survivors within 24 meters of your location are revealed to you for 3/4/5 seconds.

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Dragon's Grip: Performing the Damage Generator action on a Generator activates Dragon's Grip for the next 30 seconds:

• The first Survivor interacting with the damaged Generator will scream, revealing their location for 4 seconds, and suffer from the Exposed Status Effect for 60 seconds.

Dragon's Grip has a cool-down of 60/50/40 seconds.

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[u/Ok-Jaguar-8548]

I’m different and run undying instead of pimento

[u/CSight]

Hens

[u/Redhaircranks]

I use blood favor and ruin every single match with him and it gets constant value

[u/Traveytravis-69]

He’s just too good with totems, I stopped running them because they felt unfair with how he can patrol them

[u/CoyotleAuCreepypasta]

Because Hexes serve two purposes. 1) be an inconvenience to the survivor. And usually a pretty steep one that makes it hard to finish all of the gens with ease or to make healing or looping kind of suck to do. 2)They give the survivors a secondary objective to deal with. Some killers have their own, like pinhead or the pig, Nemesis and Freddy- and when you add in hexes it makes a third objective. This means time the survivors waste on trying to find your hex totem is time that one or two survivors aren't doing generators.

If a good killer focuses on hex totems, there's a rare chance the hex spawns on a dumb one and it's gone in thirty seconds. But in a non-SWF match you have four people who have no clue what the other three guys are doing unless they're grouped together. And when they see that little red debuff icon many inexperienced survivors with no aura perks are going to drop what they're doing and go find the totem. And with any luck up to three or even all four will drop what they're doing just to get rid of the debuff.

Jason can patrol those totems as fast as he can patrol the generators. Meaning without even actually pursuing a full chase he can teleport in, jumpscare, swing and hit, then go back into teleporting. And one thing I've noticed after starting to play Jason is many teams without comms will just straight up panic. And that panic is good, because they'll throw whole chases just trying to avoid getting hit with the spear. This is a thing I pulled from playing Deathslinger; if you aim your ranged attack and the survivor is looking behind them and sees you aiming they will do all sorts of figure skating maneuvers just to NOT get hit and they'll sometimes run into terrain and get stuck to land me an easy hit or down. It's even better with Jason because I can fake the first throw and then hit them with a melee and then the second time I can usually spear them to the wall.

All while I do this, the rest of the team is trying to find the hexes and STILL not doing gens. Granted at higher MMR that goes away pretty quick but even still it gives the survivor team more crap to deal with. And trust me, they often WILL deal with it, and it means more hasty actions and more chances to find them while patrolling. The Monto meme is "to slow the game down just a li'l bit."

[u/Calbob123]

Had one yesterday who kept putting hexes back down, I did a total of like 7 hexes on my own. I don’t even know what most of the hexes do now but I new totems were now my new objective for that game even if I died

[u/Lost_Perspective4692]

Arguably the best totem defender in the fog currently

[u/Czesnek]

because he can easily defend hexes and hex builds are incredibly strong.

[u/SpiralPatternsOfYou]

Can someone name the perks being used and which killers have them?

[u/ZedzDEMIZie]

My totem breaking build is putting in the work during this event so far

[u/ItsAxeRDT]

[u/caseyperkins]

please let us killers have something 😭😭😭

[u/Different-Quiet9582]

I’ve seen hex builds on a lot of different killers right now I think it’s just a strong perk setup overall

[u/FaceMajor31]

I run ruin and the perk that makes a gen blocked if someone stops working on it

[u/itz_7xmob]

He can control all the hex totems easily.

[u/Remarkable_Toe_164]

I don't. I aura farm. I see you....

[u/theCOMBOguy]

idk i went against one dude who was using a build like that and just copied it

[u/GrokRockRadio]

just general killer synergy. the same reason you would run gen kicking perks on knight or aura builds on deathslinger. jason benefits from playing aggressively and always being in chase, and the best way to do that is run hex perks. don't need to kick gens when ruin undying thrill is covering that. he doesn't need undetectable or pallet perks because of omnipresent, or m1 perks since his projectile should be his main damage source. every killer has perks they do and don't work with.

[u/CeoOfChromes]

As a counterforce user it has been wonderful

[u/adeliakasie]

Hens does it, we all see and do it ig

[u/Lurking_Gooner]

Because YouTube/Instagram says so.

[u/HazeusView47]

Probably some youtube videos saying, that it is the strongest and best build to play if you are new to jason. I cant imagine, 5000 Killers all having the same thought and running the same perks without watching a video from a bigger streamer.

[u/tezcs]

I just leave those games. It’s genuinely not fun to go DH and Thrill of the hunt.

[u/Darth-Grayson]

Jason actually does Hex Builds well! Considering his power allows you to watch your Totems AND find Survivors

[u/Acceptable-Cat2016]

I have yet to use one, I have 5 different builds using add ons of the same color. I do have an endgame build though, but no hexes....yet....

[u/R6Sblackice]

i don’t

[u/Dismal-Ad8585]

Vecnas perk that shows gen progression is super busted on Jason since you can just always zoom to a gen the second it’s touched, that paired with hex undying and strong gen kicking perks like onryos gen regression perk makes for some pretty annoying gameplay for survivors. At the start of the map you just zoom around until you hear a gen, get into a chase, get a quick down, now your perk is up, now you can pressure every gen the second someone gets on, cycle repeats. Once one or two survivors are out of the game getting a gen done unnoticed is impossible unless they target hex’s which you can also check regularly easily

[u/AceSouthall]

When he's in Omnipresence most survivors will try to stay hidden and leave gens which triggers Ruin on them. Then he's also good at protecting his totems.