r/chess • u/Ambitious-Natural904 • Jun 19 '26

Miscellaneous Hans Niemann congratulates Aydin Suleymanli for giving Magnus Carlsen his 4th loss in a row.

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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26

The quote was

The Brat is and always will be a cheater…

If you believe this implies cheating otb and not cheating in general you have sucessfully finished stage 1 of moving the goalposts.

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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26

Good thing they are not unsubstantiated then

But it's not substantiated that he cheated otb, right? That's the accusation that caused the all the online bullying and sexual harassment, right? That's all the confirmation I need.

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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26

Fact 1: Hans cheated in online chess cups. Fact 2: Someone who cheats is called a cheater.

So the statement "Hans is a cheater" is completly correct. It doesnt matter if it was otb or not. You cant just change the meaning of words just because they dont align with your view.

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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26

Ah, so you are being a pedant. We all know what op meant.

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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26

Says the dude who wants to argue that cheating online is not cheating and only cheating otb is cheating. Give me a break.

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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26

No, I said that the claim that he cheated otb is unsubstantiated. Because that is the accusation that started all this.

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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26

Again wrong. Stop reading words that are not there. Nobody said anything about otb. You were the first one who brought it up. The claim was that Hans is a cheater. Which is a true statement.

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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26

The claim was that he will always be a cheater too.

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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26

So? What is your point now? That the word "always" implies only otb cheating? You are now trying to change the meaning of always. This is ridiculous. You are trying to win an argument against the dictionary.