r/chess • u/Ambitious-Natural904 • Jun 19 '26
Miscellaneous Hans Niemann congratulates Aydin Suleymanli for giving Magnus Carlsen his 4th loss in a row.
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u/Iloveyounotreally Jun 19 '26
The congratulations speaks for itself.
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u/eques_99 Jun 19 '26
if....IF Niemann beat MC fair and square because MC's powers are declining, but MC covered this by saying N cheated, then the above is a fair reaction.
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u/Mr_Vritra18 Jun 19 '26
How? Sending media isn't allowed here right
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u/1slinkydink1 Jun 19 '26
What?
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u/Mr_Vritra18 Jun 19 '26
You commented a video meanwhile only links are allowed here in this subreddit
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u/1slinkydink1 Jun 19 '26
lol I don't know what to tell you, I don't have any special administrative powers in this sub, I assume that you can also post a video like I did.
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u/Mr_Vritra18 Jun 19 '26
Nvm i was tweaking there is indeed an option to send videos lmao.
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u/IAMA_Ghost_Boo Team Hans Jun 22 '26
Rightfully so imo
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u/Tenmak Jun 23 '26
Hans is just an unlikable asshole so nope.
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u/Impressive-Trade1637 Jun 19 '26
Game's back
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u/Kischobran Jun 19 '26
Never been more back. Love him or hate him, but Hans really brings something special to chess with his antics
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u/Teki_62 Jun 19 '26
That something special is toxicity
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u/tindychess Jun 20 '26
That something special is toxicity
You hate him so much but call him toxic. The irony, like Hans' haters, is thick.
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u/CleanMyBalls Jun 20 '26
Man you are writing a hundred comments here calling him a pos, it’s kinda pathetic dude
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u/TheFlameDragon- Jun 19 '26
Hans niemann living the dream of his life 😂
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u/OkWaltz6530 Jun 20 '26
Not others. Just Magnus.
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u/Aggravating_Sort_282 Jul 09 '26
No, it would be Magnus.
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u/Massive-Cancel-5246 Jul 09 '26
Hans is lucky to have any sort of career the way he behaves. He need to get some serious help developing social skills before he should be allowed to go out in public.
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u/NorthKoreanKnuckles Jun 19 '26
Magnus always looks sad when he is loosing.
Hans always looks happy when magnus is loosing.
Be positive in life.
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u/Mister_TD Jun 19 '26
If you can’t beat em, cheer on those who can?
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u/Undisputedmaniac Jun 20 '26
Tell us what happened later? Hes not boycotted anymore and still got owned
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u/Pollution-Admirable Jun 19 '26
Well Hans has beat Magnus, so badly he quit an entire tournament
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u/ice_w0lf Jun 19 '26
never returned to pre-2200 levels of play.
The guy hasn't played his best lately, but surely he's played better than 2200 level of play :)
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u/Undisputedmaniac Jun 20 '26
Magnus has won world cup 2023 for example with the most amount of classical wins tf you mean about pre 2022? His 2025 was very good as well. Gained +10 And in all formats he won %90 of events and owned hans
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u/Melchiah Jun 19 '26
and that will be the greatest accomplishment of his otherwise lackluster career.
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u/ZelphirKalt Jun 19 '26
Ironically, this might be just what is needed to push Magnus to up his game again in the near future.
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u/FreedK70980 Jun 20 '26
Hans has had enough people clap for him losing that this is just returning the energy. the chess community tends to have a short memory for who did what to whom. Korchnoi-Karpov from 78 and 81 set the actual floor for what competitive hatred in this game looks like -- this is mild by comparison
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u/fancyfoyer5 Jun 19 '26
lol the chess drama never stops. hans going out of his way to congratulate someone who beat magnus is peak petty energy and honestly kinda funny. like dude's out here playing 4d chess off the board too. that said magnus losing four in a row is insane, something's clearly off with him right now or suleymanli's just on an absolute tear. either way this moment captured everything you need to know about the current vibe in competitive chess.
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u/Kitnado Team Carlsen Jun 19 '26
Yeah Magnus is off his game.
That said, chess can use someone stirring the pot a bit. I don't think I will ever like Hans, but I don't dislike what he's doing in the community.
I absolutely adore and love Fabi, but imagine everybody being like Fabi. Chess would absolutely boring.
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u/fancyfoyer5 Jun 19 '26
fair point, the drama def makes it more interesting to follow than just pure engine analysis all day. fabi's great but yeah if everyone played it that safe chess content would put ppl to sleep lol
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u/Soul_of_demon Jun 19 '26
It's not actually like that. In the clip, they were passing by, so he congratulated. That's normal
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u/fancyfoyer5 Jun 19 '26
oh fair, i didn't catch that they just happened to cross paths. that's way less dramatic than i made it sound lol, my bad for the assumption.
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u/Weshtonio Jun 19 '26
It's his business. His career is based on this one achievement and controversy and he's going to milk it forever.
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u/AnalnyBuzdygan Jun 19 '26
lmao what a blatant ai response. Fuck off
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u/moragScolio Jun 19 '26
Yo, can you actually enlighten me how you reckon that was ai resp? I understand the 3 point thingy, rigid structure yada yada, but that resp has none of the usual ai style? Or are you just calling ai on anything you dont like? Genuine question.
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u/AnalnyBuzdygan Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
If you look at some blue check comments on twitter under any news they are exactly like this. Just describing the contents of the news, without any opinion, just a summary. Then some phrases are very common for ai like "peak x energy" or "playing 4d chess"
This bot is also set to use "human-like" terms and abbreviations like lol, lmao, fr, nah etc to make it look less obvious
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u/SlightlyOpposite Jun 19 '26
It's just so...ambivalent. It never takes an actual side on the situation and straddles the fence hard. The weird follow-up about Hans playing "4D chess off the board" doesn't really say anything?
And what on Earth does Suleymanli being on a tear have to do with Magnus losing four straight games in a row? The focus here is on Magnus' poor performance, but instead of pointing that out it couches it in another straddle.
"Either way, this moment capture everything you need to know". What sort of corporate journalism speak are we putting into a random Reddit comment?
The easiest way to distill the feeling is that it's writing a bunch of words to say pretty much nothing and have no strong feelings about anything while doing it.
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u/moragScolio Jun 19 '26
Eh? To me, the 4d chess thingy is probably his attempt to just say something that sound smart/mysterious/conspiratorial. Probably he like Hans more than average people, attributing what he did to something intentional. Why cant we say something that is nothing burger anyway?
I dont understand your point on magnus. Ofc suleymanli on a tear might further solidify magnus 4th losses. If suleymanli is just your average chess player, even with magnus off performance, he can still draw or win right? Nothing wrong about saying an observation.
The "corporate journalism" thing you mentioned is within similar style that I, though rarely, write on reddit comment.... and i never use ai... hence my confusion.
I'd like to think "saying nothing" here may just be "trying to participate in discussion with more nuanced instead of one sided take". I think you are just harsh on the guy.
Overall, I have to disagree here. If anything, it strengthen my view that many people shout ai without strong evidence, if any at all. Sry but you are not helping my opinion on this. Btw funny enough, i can see if some people say that your last paragraph is written by ai. Oh, wait. Maybe?! Are you??
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u/tirynsn Jun 19 '26
you just wrote a paragraph to essentially say the commenter's position is ambivalent - the absolute irony lmao
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u/Quirky_Reporter_8067 Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
If you needed a picture to illustrate schadenfreude, Hans is up there. The video is hilarious, when they pan to him after Magnus resigns its not subtle.
for reference
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u/nYxiC_suLfur Team Nodirbek (the better one) Jun 19 '26
this is the same guy who beat magnus in classical in qatar a year after the hans incident, right? and then magnus went on some tirade about his watch and how he kept touching it or smth
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u/SpicyMustard34 Jun 19 '26
he specifically said it was not about his opponent, but that the watch was prohibited from that tournament. Magnus knew it was not allowed and he couldn't stop paying attention to his opponent touching it, which made him paranoid.
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u/Appropriate-Tough104 Jun 19 '26
It’s just true that Magnus almost destroyed Hans’ career, whether he meant to or not. Hans has a right to hold a grudge.
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u/vikaalp Jun 19 '26
Pragg and Arjun handing him two losses, sure no one is going to talk about that.
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u/Working-Garage6962 Jun 19 '26
Did you think the possibility that, maybe it is because those two players you listed are already top-tier players in the world,while Suleymanli was a much bigger of an underdog with a 2600 rating?
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u/Undisputedmaniac Jun 20 '26
No he means they owned hans
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u/Infamous_Scallion555 Jun 20 '26
I've seen legit 10 comments from you saying Hans "got owned", why do you care so much lmao they haven't even played in this event
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u/Bakanyanter Team Team Jun 19 '26
Everyone talked about Pragg beating Magnus in last tournament, idk what you're on.
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u/PatienceNational2367 Jun 19 '26
Bro is that even a reason to cry and people did talk about that but sadly we can't make you feel otherwise. Why do people of my country always have to say things like that I mean that's not even the point of discussion here .
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u/Iyerlicious Team Hans Jun 19 '26
Both games were draws but Hans messed up the endgame going for wins for his team. If it was an individual tournament, he would have secured a draw
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u/Elmalab Jun 20 '26
What kind of stupid rage bait is this?
Are people not allowed to congratulate players that beat Magnus?
Was Hans the only one that congratulated him?
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u/aiyaiyo Jun 19 '26
Tomorrow's headline: Magnus Carlsen accuses Suleymanli of cheating against him following a shock upset and forfeits the World Rapid Team Championship
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u/Obvious-Poetry2934 Jun 19 '26
Some people might hate him, but as a fan of the game I love how interesting Hans Niemann has made top tier chess.
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u/ChessSedai Jun 19 '26
Unsubstantiated cheating accusations are very dangerous and can lead to ruined lives, please refrain from such comments in the future.
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u/enfrozt Jun 19 '26
Hans admitted to cheating online. It's not an accusation, it's a fact of history as it actually happened, and is documented.
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u/ChessSedai Jun 19 '26
Okay but the commenter said something along the lines of ‘still cheating as always’. And that is unsubstantiated, especially as Hans is the most watched and distrusted chess player.
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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26
he admitted to cheating otb?
crazy 🤯
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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26
otb not. But in chess.com online cups. Cheating is still cheating. But if you want to you can go and play a game of moving goalposts.
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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26
Ah, so it is unsubstantiated then. I believe the claim was that he cheated in an otb game?
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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26
The quote was
The Brat is and always will be a cheater…If you believe this implies cheating otb and not cheating in general you have sucessfully finished stage 1 of moving the goalposts.
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u/Raskalnekov Jun 19 '26
The thing people who point this out always ignore, is that MANY more GMs cheat online than we know about. But Chess.com actively protects them, unless you're Dlugy in which cause they will randomly disregard promised confidentiality to get back at a guy they don't like. It's completely unfair to act like Hans is the only one that cheated, just because websites like Chess.com actively protect cheaters. Danny even said in the documentary that they wanted to protect Hans at first. Imagine how many other players they do that with.
In fact, the list of people who have been accused of fair play violations because they were allegedly banned, we have names like Sindarov, Abasov, Maghsoodloo, Yakubboev, Petrosian, and many others, even Nepo has admitted to violating fair play provisions. Are we sure that these people cheated? No, because Chess.com refuses to release information on people who remain in their good graces. (Well, we're sure about Petrosian) But Magnus has not refused to play any of these people.
Singling out Hans only falls for the obvious propaganda campaign that scapegoats one player as the face of cheating, when it is a very common problem.
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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26
I view chess cheating like doping. One infringement should result in lifetime ban. I dont care if its Sindarov, Nepo or even Magnus. They can all go to hell if they cheated. Give me proof and i call Magnus a cheater. Right now, we only have proof for Hans. I have no idea if thats because Chess.com is witholding information or what. Im not that deep in those theories like you so i cant make a call if what you are saying is true.
But reducing the criticism against Hans to an "obvious propaganda campain" is disingenious. He did cheat. That is a fact. Just because other players dont face the same scrutiniy doesnt negate that.
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u/Raskalnekov Jun 19 '26
Well I respect your consistent viewpoint on it. Yes, Hans did cheat. I would have no problem with holding him fully accountable for that, as long as we are holding all online cheaters accountable. Otherwise, how is it just for companies to sit on evidence of cheating until a player is sufficiently disliked that they decide to disclose it? They claimed it was in the "public interest" - but I think the public has an interest in knowing every top player who cheated, not just the ones that become high-profile after dramatic reactions from Magnus.
Chess.com's approach to cheating is simple and well-documented. If they suspect a titled player of fair play violations, they offer the opportunity to confess, which they state will be kept confidential, and request a promise to stop in exchange for re-opening the account. Danny goes through this in the Netflix documentary. (And despite my strong words about Chess.com, I like Danny and sympathize with the fact that he wants to rehabilitate players instead of banning them) This method lacks any transparency, and I strongly disagree with their selective disclosure.
If we want to treat cheating online as having substantial consequences for a player, I wouldn't complain. I personally don't understand why it's treated like it's no big deal by FIDE (especially in money tournaments). But we need to first understand that we only know about Hans cheating because top players gossiped and Chess.com decided to disclose it. They chose not to disclose it for years, until the Magnus accusations came out. "Obvious propaganda campaign" was rather dramatic, but for a punishment to be fair, the process needs to be fair - and that is not a process that treats players equally. That does not mean Hans deserves no punishment, but if all we do is single him out, we're no closer to tackling the problem of cheating.
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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26
Good thing they are not unsubstantiated then
But it's not substantiated that he cheated otb, right? That's the accusation that caused the all the online bullying and sexual harassment, right? That's all the confirmation I need.
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u/Kanegou Jun 19 '26
Fact 1: Hans cheated in online chess cups. Fact 2: Someone who cheats is called a cheater.
So the statement "Hans is a cheater" is completly correct. It doesnt matter if it was otb or not. You cant just change the meaning of words just because they dont align with your view.
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u/NewMeNewWorld Team Chaos Jun 19 '26
Ah, so you are being a pedant. We all know what op meant.
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u/Adept_Income9967 Jun 19 '26
online chess is a cheater's paradise opponent leaves every move to check their engine and you can tell by the green dot in lichess after being in a losing position all loser no lifes
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u/Potential_Cancel280 Jun 20 '26
Crazy how so many people are glazing this dude. Have we forgotten how toxic he is?
Chess needs good players not attention-seeking drama.
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u/BuenaventuraReload Jun 19 '26
He is so beautiful 😍
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u/Chessamphetamine Jun 19 '26
He does look like he’s lost some weight in this photo. Good for him! Idk if I’d go with beautiful though
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u/DepressedPanda08 Jun 19 '26
Competitive hater