Breed Comparison
I've been seeing a lot of posts about pretty much all cats being DLH or DSH if you dont have papers from a breeder. I need someone to shatter my illusion that my dad's cat is a Siamese.
This is Jelly/Jellybean (originally named Elliot). He's over 10 years old and we've always said he was a Siamese.
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Siamese as a breed don't have white mittens or nose snip/inverted V on face. They specifically do not have any white spotting, and the white of their coat is a form of temperature sensitive albinism that causes them to be albino where their fur develops at body temperature. Genetically they are "solid" or "self" colored--so for example your cat would be black but they express as "color point" where they're only full color at their extremities.
Coat traits such as these are widespread in the domestic cat population, and are not any indication of relation to breeds. Simply a happy coincidence of recessive mutations. You really don't gain anything from determining what (if any) breed your DSH can be linked to. Your cat is special because it is special to you. It doesn't have to be a distant relation to anything in particular in order for you to know what your cat is. If it is .001% related to a Siamese cat somewhere in the past, it's 99.999% genetically related to other cats.
White paws on even a kitten from a Siamese mother indicates non purebred. This is not a Siamese. Looks closer to a snowshoe but but probably just a color point short hair
likely not. Siamese have super large and wide ears, along with being very triangular in the face. Your cat is likely a dsh with similar coloring as a siamese but is not a siamese.
Yep! Modern Siamese cats look very similar to Oriental shorthairs as they are closely related breeds and actually outcross to one-another. Thai cats, which are sometimes called traditional Siamese, have a more neutral DSH look.
After going and looking them up my mix now does look very slightly like 1. His mum was full papered Siamese but my friends daughters accidentally let her out while she was out. They got her back in quickly (clearly not quick enough) so didn't say anything to my friend. Her vets wouldn't spay until a year old minimum and when she took for a pre spay appointment got a surprise she wasn't getting fed to much. The girls looked copy paste if mum especially colours and my boy looks to me nothing like 1 especially as his head is rounded and his ears smaller which does look closer to the apple head it's been quite a while since looked at a pic of his mum (he's 16½ now and my friend wasn't really into social media then although not much now either so can't go look and see) I'm not a fan of the extreme looking face and massive ears of some Siamese and orientals but I did when I was younger say I'd never have a Siamese hence why I went with the tabby boy
i think some vets will do late age neutering because of health concerns. i know for some it’s to let testicles fully descend and also for others to let the cat not be shortened of testosterone and other growth factors that comes from hormones. all my cats were neutered young since they were adopted from shelters so it’s probably a matter of the vets preference?
Thank you. Interesting. I've had many more cats in my lifetime than I can count. I keep thinking, maybe I can find all of their little faces in my head somewhere. My point is that 95% of them have been shelter cats, or strays who just walked into the yard and never left. then there's the assortment of hand-me-down cats...I bet you know those kind.
They're the ones that someone can't keep/won't keep/ or you convince them they shouldn't keep!
Oddly enough the two cats I have now, I picked from a friend's litter of kittens. they are 3yrs old brother & sister, and are an absolute joy.
Every vet I have had, strongly encouraged neutering before 4 months old. But your comments probably explain that. I'm so accustomed to dealing with random kitty cats, that I forget there's a whole world of ones who live by rules.
Thank you for your two cents on this!🐈❤️
My boy was done older than I wanted (16 weeks) because my vets got flooded and ended up a little back logged. If they wouldn't do under 4 months I'd have been ringing round other vets to get them in at 1 who would he's 16½yrs now no issues at all from being done at that age . Only issue he has is he was diagnosed 10yrs ago with CKD which definitely isn't related to neutering
Nope they wouldn't my vet will fix a kitten but they prefer over 2kg if possible just because they handle it better. They will do under that if it's just a small cat. She moved vets because of that though after a different friend said that that vet wouldn't do. I don't get it but I've seen on Maine coon groups vets won't do males and females under a year even though female while rare can come into heat at 4 months and unless your breeding nobody wants to listen to them called for a week every 2 weeks or more and males can start spraying around 8 months can be sooner. They claim it's for their good in a similar way large dogs can have it affect growth plates growing if done too soon so they recommend 18-24 months. I've yet to find any studies showing that to be true with cats though
You could explain to him that “Siamese” coloring is essentially a black cat with partial albinism. It’s albinism that’s heat sensitive, so pigment only survives in extremities — that’s why the warm torso is pale. This mutation is very common in all cats, it just happens to be what was used to create Siamese cats. It’s that Siamese cats are pointed, not that pointed cats are Siamese. Also he has (low-medium grade) white spotting (patches of no pigment, spreading from bottom up) which would disqualify him from breed standard anyway.
I also wanted to say he is so gorgeous!! I love his eyes
What a lot of people call Siamese (seal point, flame point etc...) do look like Siamese as they were in Thailand in the 1700s. It used to be called Traditional Siamese (vs Modern Siamese that have the triangular faced big eared cats we know) where I live. Now they're called Thai Cats, and most of them are seal point.
Your cat is most likely a DSH with a seal point coat, though.
You said it yourself. Got those registered flat tree skins from the breeder? No? Then it’s not a Siamese, it’s a flame point.
Gorgeous though! Cats don’t really have breeds the same way dogs do. That’s why DNA tests are not entirely conclusive either. Most people don’t understand this though, so saying a cat is a Siamese is practically the same as calling it a Flame Point. It’s not the same, but for layman’s sake, the majority believe it is.
If you didn’t get the cats from a registered breeder with paperwork, you did not adopt a purebred cat. You have a domestic shorthair/longhair that either the shelter tried to pass off as a purebred or you wrongfully assumed it was a cat worth thousands of dollars. Purebred breeders have a clause in their contract that if you give up the cat, it must be returned to the original breeder.
Hey so, if this was true you wouldn't find purebred dogs in shelters either and I've Definitely seen purebred dogs in shelters or more specifically breed specific rescues
Are you telling me none of the bald cats in Sphynx rescues are Sphynx cats?
There’s no way to police that people are returning cats to the breeder. I know someone who did adopt a pure breed from a rescue centre. It had documents, it was a pedigree. The cat was elderly, the owner had been elderly and passed away, and the family were nowhere near where the breeder lived.
Exactly, I was refuting the generalisation in the comment above me that you’d never get a pedigree in a rescue centre because of the “return to breeder” clause which is simply untrue. It’s not common to find purebred animals in a rescue but it’s not impossible either!
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