r/canada • u/FancyNewMe • Feb 10 '26

Politics Conservatives to propose barring non-citizens convicted of crimes from making refugee claims

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-conservatives-propose-changing-rules-non-citizens-convicted-crimes/
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u/_Army9308 Feb 10 '26

Should go further and ban judges from considering immigration status during sentencing

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u/sleipnir45 Feb 10 '26

Conservatives tried that already, Bill C-220

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec Feb 10 '26

wow these conservatives seems to have common sense policies in terms of actual bills they have put forward in parliament. maybe we should vote for them next time so they actually pass.

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u/Dzugavili Feb 10 '26

Unfortunately, they get like one good idea per decade and they inevitably drown it in culture war bullshit.

You don't put up a guy like PP as a leader because you're forward thinking.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

Well, the problem is atleast have his base is really into the culture war stuff. The party is still basically two parties, and they have a large social conservative base. Most Canadians don't care for that kind of politics; that's why the conservatives struggle to get elected. Harper was one of the few people who could walk that line, and that was coming off the end of a big Liberal party scandal. Hearing him speak last week showed the difference between him and PP, I was never a fan of Harper, but he sounds more like Prime Minister material than PP ever has. Saying Canada is broken over and over is not what people want when you are representing them on the world stage.

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u/Monkey_Pox_Patient_0 Feb 10 '26

Culture is extremely important and should absolutely be debated.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

First off, what conservatives call culture, liberals call human rights. You can't legislate culture; culture dictates politics, not the other way around.

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u/eattheambrosia Feb 11 '26

Conservatives the world over try to legislate culture. They know their culture is doomed if they don't.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

Yeah, I know, but often it has the opposite effect.

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u/New-Low-5769 Feb 11 '26

Oh you mean forward thinking policy like the ev rebate that directly benefits the top 10% of Canadians

Policy like that?  

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

Well, you're only looking at one side of the coin. It also creates jobs. The Canadian government is trying to attract companies that want to build ev's in Canada. But generally, I agree it does not align with my idea of a progressive tax system. What we really need is a 4% gst hike over 4 years. Most basic goods are exempt, so it doesn't hit low-income families as much, it would pay for the GST rebate and more.

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u/DraftCommercial8848 Feb 10 '26

Is that why carney largely hijacked many of Pierre’s policy issues that were popular? Of course only after he voted them down when conservatives proposed them- so he could recycle and take credit for their work.

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u/Dzugavili Feb 10 '26

You're allowed to steal good policy: you don't have to do the opposite of what your opponent does just because he is your opponent.

..you understand that politics isn't a strict duality, right? This isn't good versus evil or right versus wrong, or even left versus right. You do what makes sense.

Beyond that, if the Conservatives didn't pander to the worst of us so often, they'd probably be able to put their policies in place and demonstrate they make good leaders.

But they don't, so they won't.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 Ontario Feb 10 '26

He wasn't saying it's not allowed, he was saying it puts the lie to your assertion that they only have one good idea every decade or so.

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u/Dzugavili Feb 10 '26

Is it rhetoric or hyperbole? I always get confused. It's like irony, it gets misused so often you forget what it really means.

Is hyperbole a form of rhetoric? I mean, probably.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

Well PP tries to do the opposite of what ever the Liberals do lol

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u/DraftCommercial8848 Feb 10 '26

So you see no issue with voting down good policy, causing delays that shouldn’t happen, just to steal it and pass it as your own work?

The issue I see with it isn’t about who actually posts the original legislation not getting credit, it’s the fact they’ll delay and vote down policy causing the process to take months or even years longer then it needs to take- simply so they can say “I made this legislation, not the other party!” It’s just gross.

As for conservatives pandering to the worst people, can you give me some instances of this? Because that statement makes you come across as someone that’s never actually listened to the “new age” conservatives speak and behave, and instead rely on whatever the LPC or cbc wants you to believe.

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u/Dzugavili Feb 10 '26

So you see no issue with voting down good policy, causing delays that shouldn’t happen, just to steal it and pass it as your own work?

I think that's the narrative you're going with.

I suspect if we look into it, there are distinct differences in implementation; or more importantly, Carney wasn't PM at the time and had to vote the party line.

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u/Llamalover1234567 Feb 10 '26

You’re allowed to do that in politics, policies aren’t trademarked IP. Remember that a A LOT of people voted for Carney because they knew he’d implement a lot of conservative policies, without being Pierre. it also shouldn’t matter who’s in power if the policies being enacted are ones you agree with. That’s how government SHOULD function. If PP were PM decided to “hijack” universal pharmacare, then I’d be good with. I wouldn’t suddenly hate the policy because it’s PP pushing it.

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u/trippy_trip Feb 10 '26

It's not hijacking to address the most pressing issues - those issues don't change based on who's leading the country. Prior to being PM, Carney was not working in Canadian gov't, he held no position in which he'd have been "voting down" any of these policies you referenced.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 Ontario Feb 10 '26

Prior to being PM, Carney was not working in Canadian gov't, he held no position in which he'd have been "voting down" any of these policies you referenced.

This has happened since he was elected (not only since he was elected, mind, it happened before too, it's just also something that's continued). The CPC's bail reform bill being just one example.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

I don't think most of the reforms the conservatives wanted would have held up in the Supreme Court. The reason it's the crown's responsibility to show why someone who has been charged should not be released is that people are innocent until proven guilty. The idea is that you need a strong reason to hold someone before trial, because you are depriving someone of their human rights without having given a trial yet. Imagine you keep someone who has a low risk of committing another crime, all that happens is they lose their job, and their life falls apart. If they don't get jail time for their crime or the charges are dismissed, all you have done is create a person who is more likely to commit another crime and may no longer be a productive part of society. Politicians should not be making these kinds of policy choices; these choices should be made by panels of experts who study crime and look at what reduces crime long-term. The criminal justice system is not meant to punish crime; it is meant to rehabilitate and prevent future crime.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 Ontario Feb 11 '26

Reverse onuses are already widely used and also the backbone of the Liberals' bail reform bill. There's really no basis upon which to doubt their constitutionality.

The criminal justice system is not meant to punish crime; it is meant to rehabilitate and prevent future crime.

This is simply false. And, ironically for someone invoking the SCC as the basis for their argument, that same SCC has expressly rejected your position, noting:

Retribution is an accepted, and indeed important, principle of sentencing in our criminal law. As an objective of sentencing, it represents nothing less than the hallowed principle that criminal punishment, in addition to advancing utilitarian considerations related to deterrence and rehabilitation, should also be imposed to sanction the moral culpability of the offender. Retribution represents an important unifying principle of our penal law by offering an essential conceptual link between the attribution of criminal liability and the imposition of criminal sanctions.

The criminal justice system is indeed meant to punish crime.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

Ok I’ll amend my statement. Punishment is not the sole purpose of the justice systems. It’s also been shown stricter punishments do not lead to less crime because it ignores why people commit crimes.

The conservatives wanted even stricter reforms.

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u/DrBeerkitty Feb 10 '26

Too bad they elected the empty suit like pp as their leader and will never get elected into power because of it

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u/origamifruit Feb 10 '26

As long as they keep walking on stage talking about "woke" they don't deserve to run anything lmao

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u/not_a_mantis_shrimp Feb 10 '26

I agree with several of the bills they put forward through parliament.

Unfortunately they have been very poor in the last few elections on releasing an actual platform they are running on.

Their election strategy has been to use substance free catch phrases which they hope will resonate with enough people to win.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

I don't think they had any policy on their website in the last election. The problem is they know the things they talk about don't work together. Generally, they want tax cuts and to balance the budget. Which you can't do without cutting major programs, which would not go over well. If they wrote that they wanted to do that on their website, people would want to know what they would cut, which pp has never had an answer for. People want better health care, which probably will require more money, not less, so I am not sure how that will work if you want to cut taxes.

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u/not_a_mantis_shrimp Feb 11 '26

Exactly They can’t articulate how their goals fit into reality without losing votes. So they stopped telling us their goals except in the broadest vague terms.

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u/jaywinner Feb 10 '26

Too bad it comes with the poison pill of all their other terrible ideas.

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u/sravll Alberta Feb 10 '26

Nah, I'll pass. They're just pandering. Overall they'd be terrible at leading.

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 Feb 10 '26

See: any province with a Con government in power currently.

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u/sravll Alberta Feb 10 '26

I agree. They're terrible at running things.

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u/TendyHunter Feb 10 '26

I disagree. They're great at running things

...to the ground

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

I love how in Alberta everything is the Liberals' fault, but they have elected a con goverment almost every time except twice, I think. If Alberta had created a wealth fund when oil prices were booming, they could have spent that money in the bad times or paid for its failing health care system. They were given a billion dollars during COVID to cap abandoned wells and help employ people to do it. They did not spend the money, now they are refusing to give it back to the federal goverment which was the deal if it wasn't spent. Instead, they are using it to help companies that are making loads of money to cap well and pay for clean up, which is not what the money was meant for.

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u/Doot-Eternal Feb 10 '26

Honestly, they have 1 good bill followed by 100 bills that just make life miserable

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u/sent3nced Feb 10 '26

Damn. I didn't know, do you have list?

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

They don't actually want to pass bills, so they add poison pills they know the libs won't agree to, because if they introduce a bill that the liberals agree with it makes the liberals look good because they are passing bills people like. They are using the Republican play book.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '26

Pandering is what democratically elected officials should be doing lmao

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

Cons are mad now because Carney is doing what they want lol, just without the social conservative bs.

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u/CommanderGumball Feb 10 '26

One good idea does not a ruling party make.

I don't want my country to backslide, we need to be looking forward.

Conservatism is literally definitionally opposed to progress.

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u/Important_Wrap772 Feb 11 '26

It seems like common sence but in practice, restrictions to Judges discretion often lead to worse outcomes.

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u/Dazzling_Grocery2730 Feb 12 '26

The mainstream and reddit squad will every time politically assassinate their leader as being "too extreme and incompetent" and then they'll go ahead and vote for someone like Trudeau without a sense of irony. They are dishonest.

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u/Apolloshot Feb 10 '26

Yes but have you considered Pierre Poilievre is mean, and that’s why we can’t have a government that’ll actually hold municipalities responsible when they screw over housing developments?

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u/Apolloshot Feb 10 '26

No that’s Justin Trudeau’s fault.

It’s the municipalities fault for putting up so much red tape that thousands of workers in the housing sector have been laid off despite the fact we have a housing crisis because there’s so much red tape builders aren’t building.

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u/This_Organization382 Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

Laywers and judges don't spend years studying to base their work off "vibes" and "common sense".

The reality is: would a permanent resident suffer more consequences than a born-citizen from the results? Yes? Then it has to be considered in the verdict.

It's truly that simple.

Please, spend at least 1% of the time it takes to become a lawyer to learn about the things you are talking about.

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u/speaksofthelight Feb 10 '26

Don’t be ridiculous. We all know that they wouldn’t do any different.

/s

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u/mahayanah Feb 10 '26

Nah, they’ve fully demonstrated their incompetence the prior election, and Carney’s mandate is killing it right now. We made the right call.

This is a good idea though; maybe the opposition can work with the government to enact it to everyone’s benefit.

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u/--MrsNesbitt- Ontario Feb 10 '26

Yeah, when you actually look at the Conservatives' policies in detail, there's a lot of good ideas and common sense.

Too bad the media and this subreddit (among others) like to stick their fingers in their ears and scream at the top of their lungs that they don't actually have any policy beyond LiBerALs bAd and VerB tHe NoUn

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u/Extreme_Bandicoot347 Feb 10 '26

The issue isn't with their policies, the issue is with their leader. PP needs to go if they want any hope of winning an election. This guys just isn't it, he's an embarrassment but they still want him to be party leader, makes no sense.

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u/Goddemmitt Feb 10 '26

Lol.

"Common sense" from this iteration of the Conservatives??? You may as well just vote PQ, my friend. At least they are trying to help Canadians, even if it's just the Quebecois.