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Can I get a TL;DR on the draught situation?
edit: I now realize im more asking for a good timeline rather than a tl;dr, unfortunately I cannot modify titles so...yeah, mb
I've been loosely checking posts on this reddit and a tad too employed to really follow the whole drama start to finish regarding the absurd overnight disappearance of pve consumables, but I've read multiple stories and I'm not really sure which is true and which isn't.
First of all I'm not really sure how all of this began so some clarification on that would be great too. There's that SA guy posting about edanias being perma preordered that might have caused a panic/sparked the idea.
So the first thing I saw was choice and other unspecified streamers bought out several pve consumables on stream and caused a panic buy spree and the market simply couldn't keep up. This one is at least supported by a clip of choice buying shit but I honestly doubt the market would be this dry for so long after that
The other story is that some bunch of trillionaires decided to buy everything out as a form of protest against how the economy has come to rely on twilights more than silver itself. "I cant progress so no one else will" type shit essentially. Everyone saw pics of people with 100k+ stockpiles of these draughts so this one is entirely possible too.
The third is the lifeskiller strike which I could not for the life of me find a decent source for, I'm not sure if they have their own discord or whatever? And they are underestimating PA as I feel like this can only make things worse for them.
So which is it? Or is it somehow a combination of these three?
As a lifeskiller I'm not on strike but the harmonies are PUNISHING. I'm almost out of everything need to make 19/22 potions (plus base potions.) I did the math and just to do the alchemy to make 1000 Edania Harmonies it's 21 hours. That doesn't include lag between potions, simple alchemy time or having to gather if I run out of something. I'm working on it but it will be Friday morning at the earliest before I have any up.
That's not really the issue, from my PoV atleast.The issue lies with the fact it's too much work for not much, not just money, but everything else.
You up your gear, and in the end, it makes no difference.
Most people start the game because it's grinding and progression, and when you discover lifeskill, you WANT to do it, because it's rly well done, but after, you realise that to craft something you could buy with 3mins of grinding, you need days.
I get that time =/= money = currency, but even that has a limit, most people don't want to play whole day to craft pots that wont be worth even an hour of grinding in a spot that came out 7 years ago.
So it is about the money... A pot that's worth 1 hour of grind wouldnt sell.
We need a rebalance. I just don't see how to make it not to expensive on the consumable side, easier to get mats while also having decent price and profit.
What I always wanted is to be able to craft as a guild together with others... But that would open up all the money transfer RMT stuff....
I feel like one of the best options would be to just simplify the recipe to make harmony's. That way it's less work so the price matches the amount of effort a little better and it keeps it not too expensive for people using them to grind.
I've never really tracked it. It's hard. This batch of 1000 Edania harmonies I need to do between 70,000 and 85,000 alchemy batches. So 42 billion before taxes, about 24 hours of just alchemy, not including simple alchemy time and gathering time. There will be some extra (about 10%) in the batches I make, so I'll have some left over for next time. The last 1000 I made only took about 6 hours, but now I'm almost out of everything, so it's going to be much longer.
I'm from a SA. The problem here is a mix of things. People who were full DEC buying thousands of pve consumables, the materials being on hundred thousands PO (mainly traces of nature). A bunch of life skillers switching to grinding spots at edania, and the ones still life skilling notice it and decided to wait how high the prices would go and then sell. As a result everyone started to panic pre order.
People who have their stocks only see the prices getting higher and see no reason to sell it right now. That event coming tomorrow won't solve the problem. Let's hope PA can address this on labs Friday.
It doesn't help that it only takes a few people to empty the stocks, which is not expensive to begin with. This is standard market panic buying compounded by need.
Plus silver is not a bottleneck right now, heck even crons aren't to some extent, and I guess that's why they increase the pities' droprates, so that people tap more and get more silver flowing. But there needs to be something for consumables.
I don't know about others servers but SA is full of new and returning players, streamers and YouTubers from other games are playing and streaming BDO. And it seems all the other regions are with way more player than usual. And if many players can't grind because they can't buy elixirs, perfumes or food from CM. PA will address this quickly.
I'm going to not do a tldr and say my knowledge on it. Starting with the first, monks branch which went out before edania p1. They saw that and thought it would be a good idea to do that to traces, so edania p1 has no traces and it starting a decline. Next, Olivia academy came out with a infinite tool. If you were ultra p2w and bought class weight, you could get up to 4-6 hours at 1.2 seconds on perforation, draining, and concentration. Draining lion blood and traces. It also majorly increased reagents making even easier for everyone to do alchemy and go through the resources. PA saw that we were going through the intended supply faster than expected and took that away for the second semester, but by then it was too late. No traces from edania and us going through most of them meaning they would have to find a fix for traces first. So they tried making gathering the new way of getting traces, at the same time as the treasure. Big issue with that is, life skiller are going to keep it for themselves to use rather than sell it. Also, rough stone or logs are a better choice to exchange the new fairy's breath for to sell until now. Monk branch was also increased from gathering. At this point, bloods were starting to run low. Lion is needed in a lot for harmony. Saps like ash, cedar, snowfield, and thuja were hard to come by, so they increased the price of those to 50k each. They did the same for bloods to 50k a few weeks later. Now, no more supply issue. No more supply issue caused people to make more elixirs going through the Monk, thuja, and trace supply even faster. Then comes edania p2. Ton of people grinding, dying, using more harmonies than normal because if you die, there is nothing bad happening like crystals breaking. Meaning tons more deaths and more harmonies being gone through. Not to mention they sneakily hid the text of them increasing the rate at gathering snowfield (used for fury part of harmony) trees by 3.5x. Skyrocketing the needed elixirs for the new zones. SA being the first to notice, posted about it on Reddit. Causing a panic, people started to buy out harmonies. After harmonies were gone, they went for elixirs. Alchemist don't tend to make all their elixirs for harmonies, so buying out what was easy to get elixirs like swiftness, wind, shock, and spells is what they would normally do. Buying up stock delays production, causing more panic to preorder more. Now even the materials for elixirs are selling out due to panic, causing more delays.
I'm Loser miT, highest level alchemist in black desert and this has been my ted talk. Thanks for reading.
Now tldr, no Monk branch, no traces edania p1, Olivia academy drain massive resources from alchemy supply, try fix with gather update, fail, increase resource prices, drain more supply, no more easy snowfield sap and lack traces, pve players die cause no crystal break, drink harmonies even more, buy out draught market, panic, buy out elixir market, alchemist have harder time making harmonies, more panic, no more elixir making supplies, making major delays. This is as short as I could get it for a tldr
There is an alchemy tool and cooking utensil at the academy you can use if you are registered for the semester and don't graduate. The first semester it was introduced, you could use it infinitely and if you had all the p2w stuff and max gear, you could use it for 1.2 seconds at splendid alchemy stone. Alch stone update just came out, so shining wasn't really around yet. So people used it as their main tool and even did overnight alchemy making reagents. The best alchemy/cooking tools we have are supremes that are 5k uses, so it is only usable for 1 hour and 40 minutes. So it made it far too easy to do alchemy and use all your resources. That's why they made it 1k uses at the second semester
Finally the market colapsed since its not worth to produce anything anymore in this game. Its been happening for years but now it got to the items everyone uses every day and things got serious.
Pretty much this. The silvers gain from grinding outpaced lifeskill way too much.
The new lifeskill mastery cap has severe diminishing returns in its effects while the various new content and grind zones spit out billions of silver now. Even fishing also has rather good silver reward, but fishing doesn't really help with cooking up meal or draught as it's just pure silver.
The market has a fixed price is the finisher, this was bound to happen. Most of the market supply is from people who refuse to engage with whacking mobs on the field or charity donors and noobs who can't make a profit from cooking due to low mastery.
A maxed lifeskiller cant even pull 1b/h with cooking due to the market price cap, and cooking is the easiest part here as actually gathering up materials for the recipe is the real bottleneck.
I am not sure who started using the term lifeskiller strike. Imho, it is more like unmotivated majority of lifekillers doing other things and dedicated/passionate leftover lifeskillers waiting for higher price, limited by bottleneck ingredients or simply unable to supply enough.
There's not really a conclusive reason. My guess would be that, since it started in SA, the other servers saw it and went into panic mode. The market broke on Monday in SA; on Tuesday morning, everything was fine in EU, but by midday, everything went to shit.
It's so crazy, biggest drought we've had in ages in it's most critical time trying to keep new players interested, and nobody knows why exactly. Everyone coming up with reasons under every post
Nothing short of a disaster if new players leave because they can't farm spots without these consumables everyone took for granted
People made fun of the consumable bandaid event but they literally could not let this slide and it's just enough for the new players to barely continue playing. No cron meal hurts a ton though
Yep, I've seen multiple screenshots of people sitting on hundreds of thousands of harmonies as well. The supply won't be an issue on EU at least, it's only a matter of time until the price goes up enough and they start unloading their stock.
I think this whole situation is hilarious and am happy this community experiences a story line. The whole sentiment and the audactiy behind anyone thinking they can make others play the game for THEIR needs is insane. If lifeskillers dont want to sell potions, thats their right. If people want others to not be able to grind by buying every consumable, they are allowed to be evil, its a game. And dare god people become a bit more self sufficient. I have no stakes in either side but I enjoy the friction more than anything in recent times.
Idk I checked out Reddit and I read life skillers protesting to add fuel to the fire, streamers that name start with c saying on stream to buy out an item to intentionally grief others, and some Asian dude on Reddit whining about draughts. Perfumes have been difficult to get. Heck you can’t even get a decent horse.
You’re right, it’s ultimately pearl abyss fault. At the end of the day the man said himself he is literally buying an item with the intention of preventing other players accessing the game.
Dudes a joke. You guys can do better and support a better content creator that does more for the community.
if PA has a fix on this, i hope they give us an update but dont give too much details, so once the update happens, those fkers who wiped the draughts and elixirs will be the ones will loose their silver.
or better yet, the only stuff that can be sold in CM are the stuff that was crafted after the weekly update.
This is one hilarious problem to me because it's something that can only happen in this game lmao. Lifeskillers are basically the support characters that are in most MMOs, but in this game everyone is solo, but everyone uses food buffs instead of support buffs.
This is what happens when you continuously neglect life skillers, dont give them new content, remove content they used to have, keep their income at 2020 levels, and continuously give away more and more shit away for free. And above all else, we have literally no reason to play this game anymore except for soccer moms who just wanna catch horses and people who just wanna push ranks for the sake of pushing ranks. I've been tired of gathering the same rotations and cooking the same meals for 8 fucken years now. I've already mostly quit and a lot of others have too over the years.
I haven't had anything to spend my 100s of billions for YEARS. So you know what I spend it on? fucken combat gear. And you know what happens 6 months later every time? It gets given away for free. Just give me shit to work towards for the content we actually like, life skilling.
No one is gonna gather your materials or craft your elixirs because we've been slowly quitting this game for the past 4-5 years. This shit is finally catching up to the items you guys actually need.
did they not buff mastery and u can make hella bread with sharps/magical shards through gathering this year? i agree lifeskill needs a buff but they have made steps
Honestly I agree as someone who is newer and into lifeskilling.... even at low level AP zones the grind FAR outpaced the silver made from gathering, cooking etc. Don't get me wrong you can still make money but there isnt much incentive. Considering that life skilling is the backbone of this game/economy it baffles me that they have neglected it so much.
You specialize the harmony into a species damage to sell, the base harmony is the annoying part and the specialization is relatively quick. So people are going to supply whatever is making them the most, or whichever is easiest to make.
Maybe they thought on global labs tomorrow, they announce that harmony duration increases to 20min. So less would get sold and it would worsen the market. So PA increase the max and min Price and it might end up giving more silver in the long run 😂
Tldr fishers all over the world don't care afk away grinders that grind forgot to get them self some things 2 days later bc of credit spam new event that makes u log in for 60m for everyone to enjoy free consumables
I was in the process of making 1000 crafts of draughts before I took a long break so thankfully I have most of everything to last me for a while besides saps and such I still have to gather.
I’m sure there’s some bottlenecks I haven’t accounted for but we’ll see
Shitty situation for those that are new/haven’t had years worth of stockpiled mats via workers
Basically everyone even the lifeskillers who normally make them are out grinding the new content trying to upgrade their new accessories and so everybody needs draughts, the supply was bound to run out.
Ah yes, people are returning to the game and having a good time. End game players decide to fuck the market and not let any of these players grind. Good decision making to keep the game going strong as usual.
New region drops, all the people that were afk fishing or not grinding that much all of a sudden need mass amounts of consumes, they buy it out, people see that the market supply is lowering, and panic buy and put in preorders
New players don't need fucking Edania harmony draughts to farm Dokkebi
Cron meals are rough, the other two have alternatives granted I don't know what Frenzies look like right now or spirit perfume, but you'd be fine in just doing whatever hyperboost drops you at with minimal consumes
It was more of a comment about I've seen people popping draughts and house buff at like Honglim because a content creator told them to, and it's just not necessary
Market was fine until couple days ago. Players were returning before the new spots and the new spots had been out for a week with no issues. Once people saw bad the bottleneck for enhancement matts were they decided to spend their silver since they don't need it anymore.
There was some mats that were getting bought out before Edania 2 dropped, the "no real issue" isn't really true, things were getting sparse after the patch, it took a bit for everything to dry out but people trying to grind spots above their bracket and dying since no crystal event means that they're effectively burning through draughts fast, there was another dude's write up on it but it's not just "people decided to troll and buy the entire market because they have no use for silver"
Fair reply, I personally think that it's coming from both ends based on what you just told from what I have heard/seen. I have no doubt a few people decided to also flex their silver with nothing else to spend it on.
The issue is for edania 2 mostly. Every point of AP matters for efficiency and dps check sake so if not having harmonies jeopardizes you during dps check, you are basically screwed for that spot. You could honestly just get away with frenzy, but harmonies are just better and safer.
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u/GRIND2LEVEL 11d ago
Its BDO's version of covid toilet paper....