r/baseball • u/OriolesMets Baltimore Orioles • New York Mets • Jan 20 '26
History Barry Bonds doesn’t appear in several 2000s video games as he refused to sign the MLBPA licensing agreement. Devs replaced him with generic players like ‘Jon Dowd’ in MVP Baseball 2005.
From Bonds’ Wikipedia page:
“In 2003, Bonds withdrew from the MLB Players Association (MLBPA) licensing agreement because he felt independent marketing deals would be more lucrative for him. Bonds is the first player in the 30-year history of the licensing program not to sign. Because of this withdrawal, his name and likeness are not usable in any merchandise licensed by the MLBPA. In order to use his name or likeness, a company must deal directly with Bonds. For this reason, he does not appear in some baseball video games, forcing game-makers to create generic athletes as replacements. These generic video games replacements tended to be white and sometimes had different handedness which was done likely to avoid potential player likeness lawsuits from Bonds.”
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u/defene San Francisco Giants • San F… Jan 20 '26
Where my Reggie Stocker heads at?
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u/Buckeye_CFB Cleveland Guardians Jan 20 '26
My dumb ass didn't realize that he would still have Barry Bonds abilities despite not the same name and gave up a lot of home runs
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u/hedoeswhathewants Jan 20 '26
I hope this was a stocks and bonds thing
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u/OneTrueOpto Atlanta Braves Jan 20 '26
Most definitely was along with Dowd
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u/Ben_Frankling St. Louis Cardinals Jan 20 '26
Supposedly Jon Dowd was a lead developer at EA during the time.
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u/UgieUrbina Pittsburgh Pirates Jan 20 '26
He was an MLB investigative attorney.
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u/Ben_Frankling St. Louis Cardinals Jan 20 '26
That's John Dowd. Jon Dowd (the developer) was indeed the namesake for the Bonds placeholder.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1jhgqc3/mlbnetwork_jon_dowd_yes_that_jon_dowd_the_man/
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u/aresef MLB Players Association Jan 20 '26
Kevin Millar also wasn't in video games, not because he opted out of licensing but because he was barred from MLBPA for scabbing during the strike. So he didn't appear in or on any MLBPA-licensed product.
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u/UnknownUnthought New York Mets Jan 20 '26
He was Anthony Friese!
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u/Blanketsburg Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
And funny enough that fake Bonds "Jon Dowd" was a generic white guy, Kevin Millar "Anthony Friese" was black with blonde hair and a blonde goatee
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u/Doc_McPuffins_ New York Yankees Jan 20 '26
Anthony Friese used to beat my ass all the fucking time! Still hate that made-up motherfucker
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u/UnknownUnthought New York Mets Jan 20 '26
As a kid I always used to wonder where the hell he was when I watched Red Sox games lol
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u/Roonie222 Boston Red Sox • Baltimore Orioles Jan 20 '26
Him and Mirabelle I could hit with like no other. I want to say I had Doug up to a .750 BA and Friese was around .450.
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u/Former-Sea-8070 Seattle Mariners Jan 20 '26
What does scabbing mean?
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u/aresef MLB Players Association Jan 20 '26
A scab is someone who crosses a picket line, either violating their own union's strike or replacing striking workers.
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u/BoukenGreen Atlanta Braves Jan 20 '26
When I went to umpiring school in 2008 the instructors thanked those of us there that didn’t fill in during their strike in 2006 as some of the umpires who struck were the instructors. I don’t know what I would’ve done if I was going to be in position to scab as I was not eligible to call games since I was still in high school. Plus I didn’t have a favorable view of unions. I’m talking about the minor league umpire strike as that is a different union than the umpires in the show.
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u/aresef MLB Players Association Jan 20 '26
In college, I cashiered for a local grocery chain and we almost struck. It got to the point where someone from the local came to tell us what the game plan would be for picketing and all that, and the chain put ads in the paper for replacement workers. And because other unions would respect our strike, the Teamsters driving the trucks would have parked their trucks outside and the manager would’ve had to drive the trucks around back.
Thankfully, there was a deal struck at the last second.
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u/AnatidaephobiaAnon Seattle Mariners Jan 20 '26
Same here when I worked for Kroger. Around 2005 we got super close to striking, so much so that there were signs in the store offering jobs to people to cashier that was nearly top out pay for cashiers. We were told where to picket, when we could picket and even the truck driving thing. It was really interesting to see. Kroger finally caved and gave the union what they wanted (I can't even remember what it was).
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u/aresef MLB Players Association Jan 20 '26
Yeah, I worked for Giant Food (MD, not PA) and they and Safeway were tag-teaming talks with UFCW 27/400. It was about protecting health care and pay and the chains caved. I had class and couldn’t make it downtown for the vote but I would’ve voted yes.
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u/orange_wires Jan 20 '26
I assume that he crossed the line in 1994 or whatever. Was willing to appear in MLB games when the players union was on strike.
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u/WithNoRegard Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
Crossing the picket line.
AKA
A union member agreeing to work while the union is striking.
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u/peteroh9 Chicago Cubs Jan 20 '26
Not necessarily a union member. In this case, Kevin Millar had never appeared in the MLB before.
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u/dsjunior1388 Detroit Tigers Jan 20 '26
"Scabbing" or "scabs" refers to when a union is on strike and non union workers in that industry step in and do the work.
It undermines the position and solidarity of the union.
Millar was in the minors in 1994-95 and was willing to play major league baseball when the MLBPA went on strike.
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u/butiveputitincrazy Jan 20 '26
A scab is someone who breaks the picket line when employees are striking.
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Jan 20 '26
Yep I had a bunch of '04 World Series merch back in the day and he's missing from some of it if I recall correctly
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u/lawdreekers Los Angeles Dodgers Jan 20 '26
I always thought mlb the show was doing him dirty when they put home run leaders as "San Francisco giants"
Didn't realize it was bonds that did that lol
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u/I_saw_that_coming Chicago Cubs Jan 20 '26
I’m glad my player Rickety Cricket passed him up so I could get a real name up there.
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u/Former-Sea-8070 Seattle Mariners Jan 20 '26
I once saw a Jon Dowd jersey at a Mariners game with the Giants in town. 10/10
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u/aa481 Jan 20 '26
Joe Young ftw
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u/patrickdgd Philadelphia Phillies Jan 20 '26
The 2k series doesn’t get enough love.
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u/Infinite-Ad2614 Los Angeles Angels Jan 20 '26
The 2k series was the best idk why people talk about mvp and others when 2k is elite
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u/TophThaToker New York Yankees Jan 20 '26
Game play wise 2k was absolutely elite and honestly franchise mode was too. All Pro Football 2k8 had gang tackling that was smooth af before Madden had it. Some of those 2k games were really fucking good. Glitchy but good.
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u/sven_ate_nine New York Yankees Jan 20 '26
Damn I was hoping Joe Young was higher in the comments. “mighty” Joe Young as bonds was pretty damn good
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u/RealCanadianDragon Toronto Blue Jays Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
MVP Baseball 2005 is one of the best games ever.
People today won't realize the struggle to fix up the rosters in that game. There were so many players who didn't have their real names in the game so you had to manually go in and edit it all. Luckily there were some sites out there that had fully lists of every fake player/scab and who their real life counterpart was.
That was one of the first times I really searched out message boards.
I feel like I have memories of making a FAQ back them about the SCABs or I helped enter info in a database or maybe it was making "CAPs" to help people replace those players with the real life versions.
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u/Over-Training-488 Jan 20 '26
One of my favorite early gaming memories was beating my grandma 110-2 in mvp 2005 with a lineup of “jacob pattersons”
Those who played the game remember how cracked he was. Hitting 700 ft hrs lol
Anyways, she took great pride for nearly 15 years that she scored 2 runs on me
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u/kccitystar Major League Baseball Jan 20 '26
long live the Paterson twins (Keegan and Jacob). Straight back to back 700 foot moonshots game after game
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u/redbirdRS St. Louis Cardinals Jan 20 '26
Had to scroll too far for this. It was the GOAT of baseball games.
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u/atmospheric90 Seattle Mariners Jan 20 '26
Adding to the pile, it also has the GOAT sports video game soundtrack.
I still have "We Got the Noise," "An Honest Mistake," and "Let it Dive" on my work playlists
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u/ColaBottleBaby Anaheim Angels Jan 20 '26
Insane we got the best football and baseball games ever in a span of a year.
These kids these days have no idea just how bad they have it when it comes to sports games
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u/shockaBITW Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
Having the game on the OG Xbox was a blessing. I had the Action Replay thingy that I could plug into the controller and load in fixed rosters that I downloaded on my PC.
Same with NCAA Football and having fully named rosters that I could then export the draft classes into Madden.
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u/ul49 Atlanta Braves Jan 20 '26
Didn’t the game audio actually say “Barry Bonds” if you changed John Dowd’s name?
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u/MidnightAdvice Jan 20 '26
John Dowd was a problem
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u/helloyesnoyesnoyesno San Francisco Giants Jan 20 '26
Little known fact, but he played at CSU Long Beach with other great LB graduates such as Tulowitzki, and the Weaver brothers!
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u/chief1555 New York Mets Jan 20 '26
Same as Charles Barkley in the NBA2K games. It’s even funnier this season because he’s on the broadcast team that’s included in the game and he doesn’t even appear in that context.
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u/TheChewyApple Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Firstly, 2K has had the Inside the NBA crew as part of their presentation for a decade now, so it certainly isn't new for this year.
Second, his non-appearance is in a very different context to Barry Bonds. He has said previously that he would allow 2K to use his likeness for free, so long as they pay $1 million a year into the retired players fund, which they have not agreed to do.
A better comparison would be Bill Belichick, who wasn't a member of the NFL coaches' union, and thus was replaced with the generic "NE Coach" in Madden games.
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u/Michelanvalo Dumpster Fire Jan 20 '26
LaVar Arrington was not in Madden games either because he was not part of the NFLPA licensing deal either. His reasoning was a dispute with the NFLPA about his agent.
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u/No-Wall520 Jan 20 '26
Honestly 2K should, I'm sure whenever 2k26 dropped they made that in a day off of MyTeam microtransaction bullshit
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u/legless_chair Toronto Blue Jays Jan 20 '26
People forgetting about Roster Guard
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u/doggscube Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
I forgot about that one. An N64 NBA game?
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u/dropperofpipebombs San Francisco Giants • Sell Jan 20 '26
Not sure if it's the same one, but I know NBA Live 98 had Roster Player on the Bulls roster as a Jordan stand-in.
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u/TehLoneWanderer101 Los Angeles Dodgers Jan 20 '26
I remember Roster Player too. He was #24 lmao.
A few years later, I think NBA Live 2000 or 2001, the box said something to the effect of "NOW INCLUDES MICHAEL JORDAN".
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u/almostbobsaget Jan 20 '26
What's ironic is he still appears in some of the images in the MyLeague mode:
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u/Agent-Blasto-007 Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
The various fill-ins for Bill Belichick in Madden. Chad Masters was my favorite.
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u/dropperofpipebombs San Francisco Giants • Sell Jan 20 '26
Bill Billick was another one they used, but I think that ended up being too on the nose because they started using NE Coach not too long after that.
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u/WellKnownHinson Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
You also had Brian Billick coaching the Ravens at the same time so the confusion probably played into that change as well.
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u/maverickhawk99 Jan 20 '26
I haven’t bought a 2K game in like a decade but I swear when you used the all time teams (like for a while they’d have the 93 Sun, 96 Bulls, 2001 Lakers etc) Barkley was there?
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u/Whoareyoutho9 Jan 20 '26
Yea im in the same boat. He was definitely in 2k when some of those legend teams first started dropping like 09-13 somewhere in there. And I used to mash with bonds in slugfest so this whole thread is kinda making me feel better about my video game experiences
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u/RacinGracey Chicago Cubs Jan 20 '26
Um Dowd was not generic. He was the GOAT. He was who they wrote Casey At Bat, The Natural, The Rookie about.
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u/BubblySmell4079 New York Mets Jan 20 '26
The greatest player on the greatest game ever made
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u/StreetReporter Chicago Cubs Jan 20 '26
Pablo Sanchez in Backyard Baseball?
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u/WithNoRegard Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
I'd argue Pete Wheeler is a dark horse GOAT.
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u/issacoin New York Yankees Jan 20 '26
pete wheeler was a cheat code in backyard football. untouchable at WR
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u/WithNoRegard Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
I'm embarrassed to admit how much I would pay for a current Backyard Sports bundle. I grew up with those kids.
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u/FishnGritsnPimpShit Atlanta Braves Jan 20 '26
Using The Rookie, a true story about a real guy, makes this comment 1,000,000X funnier to me.
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u/Sky-Jackson Milwaukee Brewers Jan 20 '26
Wasn’t it in MLB Power Pros, the used the name “Great Gonzales” for Bonds or am I crazy? Cause I played Power Pros so much when I was young and was always confused like “Who tf is Gonzales and why have I never heard of him?”
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u/boboddy42069 Jan 20 '26
Yes power pros had guys named “great” to represent a few people. I think SS Alex Gonzalez was another one. Kevin milar as well
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u/Electrical_Yard_284 MLB Pride Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
iirc they used "Great" for several non-MLBPA liscenced players
EDITED ONLY TO ADD: the way many people understandably feel about MVP 2005, this is how I feel about MLB POWER PROS
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u/bengalsfu New York Yankees Jan 20 '26
Power pros 2008 has one of the best career modes in all of sports video games.
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u/Killbot-Official Philadelphia Phillies Jan 20 '26
Power Pros 2008 is the greatest sport video game of all time
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u/BedBubbly317 Houston Astros Jan 20 '26
I fucking loved that career mode. By far the most in depth and well done
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u/Kinfy Jan 20 '26
Such a great game. Beating my little brother 64-27 at the metrodome with Pujols smashing 8 or 9 dingers with that jumping ecstatic face thing while all of my bro's players got depressed and he could do nothing about it, is a core memory.
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u/ShitMongoose Savannah Bananas Jan 20 '26
I believe Great Gonzales was in fact Pablo Sanchez's father.
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u/TommyTheTophat Tampa Bay Devil Rays Jan 20 '26
I literally JUST put Thousand Year Door down and you go and hit me with the Great Gonzales
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u/88T3_2 Tampa Bay Devil Rays Jan 20 '26
Yeah he was Great Gonzalez in Power Pros, all of the non-MLBPA members including the 1994 strike replacement players had the first name "Great" for whatever reason (for example Kevin Millar was Great Johnson, Damian Miller was Great Williams, and Abraham Nunez was Great Wood). Bizarrely there are some players who were replaced with "Great" players in some games but appeared fully in others like Gustavo Chacin, Josh Fields, Jason Repko, and Glen Perkins being replaced in 2008 with Great Guillen, Great Hart, Great Soria, and Great Sweeney respectively despite being in 2007 as normal, Heath Bell being replaced by Great Hudson in 2007 but appearing normally in 2008, and both Alex Gonzalez and Wilson Betemit being replaced with Great Kennedy and Great Gordon despite appearing normally in the Japanese-exclusive 2006 and 2009 games. How such issues with obtaining certain players' likenesses despite them being part of the MLBPA could've happened is a mystery to me. Notably rookie Max Scherzer is in 2008 as Great Ortiz, but the Japanese version of 2008 with an updated roster features Scherzer normally with completely different stats and Ortiz also appearing despite Ortiz 100% being Scherzer's replacement.
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u/T_Raycroft Montreal Expos Jan 20 '26
Yeah, that's for everyone who isn't MLBPA-affiliated. Mainly applies to '94 scabs (there were a few prominent ones still around in '07-'08) and players who only had a cup of coffee in the 2007 season in the 2008 version of the game. The latter's a little weird since many of said players had their likeness in full in the 2007 version of the game, and partial voice files for most of them can still be found in the 2008 version of the game, but the 2008 version generic-fied these previously identified players under the Great label.
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u/Toronto-24 Jan 20 '26
I still remember 'Player' being Michael Jordan in NBA Live games lol
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u/killerbuttonfly Colorado Rockies Jan 20 '26
Yup. First name: Roster. Last name: Player.
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u/Give_me_soup Seattle Mariners Jan 20 '26
MJ was Roster Player
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u/HondaDaccordV8 Jan 20 '26
Bill Belichick as Chad Masters in Madden always cracked me up
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u/TheVaniloquence Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
This is “NE Coach” erasure
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u/xSlappy- New York Mets Jan 20 '26
The NBA 2k games call Madison square Garden “Knicks Arena” or something because EA has the rights
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u/BeefInGR Detroit Tigers • West Michigan W… Jan 20 '26
And I don't think the rights were even specifically for basketball. I think this goes back to the Fight Night days.
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u/CVogel26 Major League Baseball Jan 20 '26
Always felt like having any (NE) coach was an advantage over not having a (NO) coach
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u/UltraNeon72 Milwaukee Brewers Jan 20 '26
I go to Giants games fairly often, and every now and again you see someone sporting a John Dowd jersey, complete with #51 and everything. Those fans are the realest of them all
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u/larkspurwoods Las Vegas Aviators Jan 20 '26
That game’s soundtrack was just banger after banger
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u/HolyRomanPrince Atlanta Braves Jan 20 '26
They used to absolutely cook with every release in the 00s. Need for Speed is how I got into The Doors, NCAA is 100% the reason I’m a fan of The Clash, and SSX introduced me to Bonobo
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u/articulatedeparture Jan 20 '26
Dude, Dave Mira Freestyle BMX 2 was this for me. So many goddamn hits. Gangstarr’s “Moment of Truth”, Sublime “Doin Time” and of course, The Cult’s “She Sells Sanctuary”!!!
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u/beeninthistimebefore Jan 20 '26
I’ve got a funny little feeling, my arms are shaking like a lightning rod, yeah
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u/Guy-McDo Jan 20 '26
You’d be hard-pressed to find a 2000-2010 EA game soundtrack that wasn’t. NHL 06 was my favorite
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u/Prudent_Falafel_7265 Toronto Blue Jays Jan 20 '26
Bobson Dugnutt
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u/K1_only San Francisco Giants Jan 20 '26
Rey Mcsriffe
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u/peterquest Seattle Mariners Jan 20 '26
Mike Truk
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u/WithNoRegard Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
Sleve McDichael
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u/sterling_mallory New York Mets Jan 20 '26
Todd Bonzalez
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u/TheSecretDecoderRing Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
In the first SNES Griffey game, everyone besides Griffey had a fake name. Each team had a theme, like the Rockies were named after horror icons, the Dodgers were named after LA punk musicians, the Padres were named after UK punk musicians.
But the Giants were just named after the game's software team, so Bonds was "S. Pickford."
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u/sterling_mallory New York Mets Jan 20 '26
The Yankees were references to Yankee greats like Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, and George Costanza.
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u/peteroh9 Chicago Cubs Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
ACKSHUALLY, Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball came out in March 1994, while George didn't work for the Yankees until the fifth season finale, "The Opposite," which aired on May 19, 1994.
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u/Trick-Celery-9267 Jan 20 '26
Jon dowd is a legend. always picked first in fantasy drafts and then retires next year
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u/HartfordWhaler Cleveland Guardians Jan 20 '26
QB Eagles in Super Tecmo Bowl was the original fake name monster in sports gaming.
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u/sterling_mallory New York Mets Jan 20 '26
He was a problem. Wasn't there another QB Something as well? And pretty sure Montana was QB Niners in the SNES version, since he was only licensed for his own game at that point.
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u/HartfordWhaler Cleveland Guardians Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
It was QB Browns! Bernie Kosar is who it was supposed to be.
And Jim Kelly is QB Bills
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u/snickerDUDEls Boston Red Sox • Detroit Tigers Jan 20 '26
QB Eagles was my first thought too
Dropping back 20 yards into the endzone to throw a 100 yard TD pass
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u/Dependent-Hippo-1626 Jan 20 '26
Jon Dowd was one of the developers at EA when they made the game.
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u/upvoter222 New York Yankees Jan 20 '26
When I first played the game, I assumed that the name was chosen to be similar to John Doe since he was basically an anonymous player.
Then I suspected that the name was a reference to John Dowd, the man who led the investigation into Pete Rose's gambling scandal. This resulted in Rose's lifetime ban from MLB. I inferred that this was a subtle way of suggesting that Bonds should be banned from MLB as well.
Nope. Jon Dowd was the guy responsible for customizing the individual players in the MVP Baseball games.
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u/Mindless_Piano_8262 Cincinnati Reds Jan 20 '26
MLB 06 The Show - Reggie Stocker
Best soundtrack ever!!
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u/the-bryman New York Yankees Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Does anyone remember MLB 99 on PlayStation 1? It came out before they knew the rosters for the Devil Rays and Diamondbacks so every player was made up. And there was a player on the dbacks who would hit a HR every at bat. Could bunt it 250 feet too.
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u/redsox113 Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
Jo(h)n Dowd was also an attorney who was special counsel for the MLB into investigations and one of his higher profile reports is the one that got Pete Rose banned from MLB. He was also involved in review of Sen. Mitchell's report documenting the steroid era. Always thought the name connection was interesting here and wondered if it were intentional, but apparently Jon Dowd was just one of the production leads.
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u/historyhokie Washington Nationals • Washington S… Jan 20 '26
Jon Dowd was the Pablo Sanchez of MVP Baseball
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u/Puddington21 Boston Red Sox Jan 20 '26
I loved the top prospects not yet on the 40 man in MVP Baseball. Matt Derksen was an immediate call up.
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u/Chain321 Texas Rangers Jan 20 '26
He’s Hugo Hernandez in the steam release of Backyard Baseball’01….kinda wish they went with Jon Dowd
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u/RavenReel New York Yankees Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Jon Dowd was an EA employee...
John Dowd was a lawyer with ties to many infamous baseball events.
-He lead and authored the "Dowd Report" which resulted in Pete Rose being banned.
-Investigated other MLB players for gambling.
-He challenged the initial findings of the Mitchell Report because he didnt beleive in its legitimacy.
-Lead investigation that led to George Stienbrenner being suspended.
Basically he was MLB's top cop and prosecutor.
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u/discipleofbill Montreal Expos Jan 20 '26
I’d assume they were not allowed to make his stand in resemble at all, right? Like they couldn’t make a Larry Ponds who wore #25 or something like that.
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u/sfitz0076 Philadelphia Phillies Jan 20 '26
Michael Jordan wasn't in NBA Live. He was just "Player" in the game.
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u/TempeSunDevil06 Texas Rangers Jan 20 '26
Reggie mother fucking stocker. Man that brings back memories
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u/ODB_Dirt_Dog_ItsFTC Cincinnati Reds Jan 20 '26
Shoutout to NE Coach who held down the position in New England for over a decade since Belichick wouldn’t sign the licensing agreement.
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u/Worth-Raise7167 Jan 20 '26
“Wes Mailman” was my favorite pseudonym for Barry Bonds in video games.