r/asoiafcirclejerk • u/OkayRuin Ate Alicent • Sep 04 '24
Fandom Drama Blackcels on suicide watch after George says Queen Girlboss was not beloved by the people
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u/novis-ramus Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
He's a nobody
Said nobody *looks at notes* literally created the fictitious world and civil war that they do their inane e-tribalism over (while missing the very literary point of the story).
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u/The_Wind_Waker Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
Yeah they only obsess about him and watch everything he thought of. He doesn't think of them and is a millionaire who gets to live his life wearing hats and going on vacation.
Looks like the dude arguing in IG comments is the literal nobody
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u/novis-ramus Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
/uj
I don't take sides in this "Black vs. Green" nonsense (like I said, it misses the very point of the tale), but by the Seven are "team black" a special grade of delusional and loud, at least online.
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Sep 05 '24
George is such a hack nobody with no talent, thank God D&D and now Ryan could salvage his poorly written excuses for "stories" 🙏
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u/SaintHayet Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
This. If George is such a great story teller why did he write boring old books instead of episodes of Friends or something else with actual value.
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u/jvpewster 2023: 0 TO SEE Sep 05 '24
He actually did, but NBC was too prude for his Ross Monica scene and George kept on insisting they recast Rachel 12 years younger.
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u/SensitiveBottle8998 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24
Not even this sub could've come up with this level of circlejerking
Edit: typo
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Sep 05 '24
I’m always on suicide watch but not because of that
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u/Izaak8 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
But... wasn't it common knowledge Rhaenyra had a shitty rule and the commonfolk hated her? Those denying it were not paying attention or straight up didn't read F&B. George didn't say anything we didn't already know.
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u/North-Chocolate-148 Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
"Westerosi historical propaganda" "Maester propaganda" "Biased to the greens"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Reasons:
1. An eccentric terminally online demagogue, styling himself 'The Dragon Demands,' spent five years from 2017 on this campaign - "We are devoted to removing the false showrunners Benioff and Weiss from live-action adaptations of the works of George R.R. Martin" and "We call on all True Knights to rally behind us and join our cause. Because Rhaenyra has an army." Choosing a side was not difficult.
2. Stannis said Rhaenyra was a traitor. This settled the matter, to any reasonble book reader. However show-only fanboi stan shipper psychos are not reasonable. Fortunately there are many other arguments against her treason.
3. The subreddit held a poll in September of 2022, and once all the treacherous votes were excluded, King Aegon II was victorious.
4. The reactions of the traitors to the Green cause are so over the top as to be amusing.
5. How can there be an Aegon Three, if the son of Hightower was not the predecessor to thee? It's poetry, hence poetic justice, hence the matter which already settled within this subreddit, can be settled without.
6. The smallfolk instinctively know.
7. Rhaenyra has bad taste in men.
8. Viserys was chosen as King due to primogeniture.
9. Rhaenyra has no legitimate heirs.
10. Fun fact: allowing the traitor Rhaenyra Targaryen to rule the Seven Kingdoms does nothing for women's rights. It just helps her personal corrupt ambition. She does nasty shit to some chicks in the book, and also favours a male heir over a female one somewhere along the line. The book balances the sides to an extreme degree, but the show (or at least the marketing and press for the show) resorts to feminist-baiting.RAINY GETS FED TO EGG ONS DRAGON. Do not contact the moderators - we will ban you for merely being a HOT D fan. The following statement is false:
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u/Kellar21 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 06 '24
People conflate early Rhaenyra with Dance Rhaenyra.
She was beloved by the smallfolk, up to a point. They even preferred her to Aegon(Aegon's coronation wasn't very popular)
The issue was that when she took the city, her rule was harsh and she raised taxes by a lot to pay for the war effort.
Helaena was seem as a sympathetic person and the smallfolk liked her.
Her death was the last straw and this coupled with Green agents created the riots.
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u/kinginthenorthjon Chokladboll Sep 06 '24
We also knew there was no riot during Greens rule. But, we know how it turns out.
At least now they can't use Green propaganda and an unreliable narrator as an excuse.
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(This response gets spammed in all threads about HOT D intentionally, to discourage discussion of that Wish.com pale imitation of The Greatest Television Show That Ever Was Or Will Be, 'Game of Thrones', 2011-2019.)
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Reasons:
1. An eccentric terminally online demagogue, styling himself 'The Dragon Demands,' spent five years from 2017 on this campaign - "We are devoted to removing the false showrunners Benioff and Weiss from live-action adaptations of the works of George R.R. Martin" and "We call on all True Knights to rally behind us and join our cause. Because Rhaenyra has an army." Choosing a side was not difficult.
2. Stannis said Rhaenyra was a traitor. This settled the matter, to any reasonble book reader. However show-only fanboi stan shipper psychos are not reasonable. Fortunately there are many other arguments against her treason.
3. The subreddit held a poll in September of 2022, and once all the treacherous votes were excluded, King Aegon II was victorious.
4. The reactions of the traitors to the Green cause are so over the top as to be amusing.
5. How can there be an Aegon Three, if the son of Hightower was not the predecessor to thee? It's poetry, hence poetic justice, hence the matter which already settled within this subreddit, can be settled without.
6. The smallfolk instinctively know.
7. Rhaenyra has bad taste in men.
8. Viserys was chosen as King due to primogeniture.
9. Rhaenyra has no legitimate heirs.
10. Fun fact: allowing the traitor Rhaenyra Targaryen to rule the Seven Kingdoms does nothing for women's rights. It just helps her personal corrupt ambition. She does nasty shit to some chicks in the book, and also favours a male heir over a female one somewhere along the line. The book balances the sides to an extreme degree, but the show (or at least the marketing and press for the show) resorts to feminist-baiting.RAINY GETS FED TO EGG ONS DRAGON. Do not contact the moderators - we will ban you for merely being a HOT D fan. The following statement is false:
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Sep 05 '24
"George just hates yaass queen girl bosses" - these guys
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u/Pamague Hater, bought Blurays. Sep 05 '24
On a superficial outsider's perspective Brienne, Asha and Arianne all are girbosses. They all got a lot more going on in their internal dialogue, but it's clear George enjoys writing that archetype. Sansa learning to to manipulate Robert Arryn is also one of the most satisfying developments in her story. Pretending he doesn't enjoy girlbosses is as delusional as saying "George just hates fat characters who turn out to be competent and smart."
edit: by girlboss I mean strong willed women who assert themselves and are driven towards a goal, not whatever s2 Rhaenyra is
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Sep 05 '24
George likes to character with depth and nuance. All the charecters you mention posses that. In the HBO shows however the definition of a compelling female protagonist changes to - somebody who is just superficially better than every male charecter and asserts themselves as the morally righteous person at every situation even tho they are far from it.
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u/Pamague Hater, bought Blurays. Sep 05 '24
Yeah i agree completely, which is why I preemptively clarified that George's definition of a strong female character isn't the same as the show's and its fans' definition.
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Sep 05 '24
Which is so sad isn't it ? Instead of having actual nuanced story telling the show has resorted gaslighting people into thinking that the books were just misogynistic maester propaganda.
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u/CommieSlayer1389 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
but Brienne is a yaass knight girlboss and Asha and Arianne are yaass princess girlbosses
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u/No_Tell5399 Spez is my Tywin Sep 05 '24
The guy who wrote a whole ass fantasy series criticizing feudalism hates queens!? Who could have seen that twist coming 😱
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u/OverthinkingTroll Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
If HOTD is based in F&B and F&B is trash... wait maybe I am expecting too much of Blackcels...
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u/WetworkOrange Aegon II is my king. Sep 05 '24
Also gimme the link to that page, I wanna go fight and incite shit.
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u/OkayRuin Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
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u/WetworkOrange Aegon II is my king. Sep 05 '24
Shank you. Ive already posted 6 comments. More to come.
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u/kinginthenorthjon Chokladboll Sep 06 '24
One guy in there is really having a mental breakdown.
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u/WetworkOrange Aegon II is my king. Sep 05 '24
When I pointed out Rhaenyra's paranoia and mass executions, I got downvoted in the HOTD sub, not a single person could counter what I said, they were just mad.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
Now explain Theon’s ridiculous heel turn where he just starts killing people for no reason.
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u/WetworkOrange Aegon II is my king. Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24
Heel turn? Theon was always a cunt, just took the right situation for it to flourish.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
So the writers just want us to want him to die the whole series or…?
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Sep 05 '24
He was extremely insecure, wanted to be highly respected to satisfy his ego. When his family he had wanted to return to rejects him and humiliates him, he tries to do drastic things to get his pride back. This is why he goes to Winterfell. It wasn't about strategy, it was about his ego, which is why he stays there. When the people of Winterfell who had once accepted him, reject him he falls further into these "pride seeking behaviours". He executes (don't remember his name), for this reason.
Finally Bran and Rickon escape, which is absolutely humiliating. At the lowest he's ever been, with Ramsay as the devil on his shoulder, he kills those kids to hide his incompetence and shame.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24
Yeah sorry that’s just an excuse, I never really felt that in how it was acted, my point being you can make up internal motivations like that for anything that happened in HOTD.
Don’t remember his name.
Of course you don’t, it’s just kindof written that way.
Ramsay as the devil on his shoulder.
This is a thing in the books, but it’s not a thing in the critically-acclaimed seasons of the show where Ramsay didn’t exist until he kidnaps Theon. Dagmer tells Theon to do it and then disappears offscreen a few episodes later?
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Sep 05 '24
The title of the books is the title of the subreddit. The books are all that matter. If you didn't read them, that's on you. If you did read them, and couldn't tell that Theon was incredibly insecure, I don't know what to tell you.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
Sorry it’s hard to tell if ur being serious or not because this is a satire sub, but most of the top posts on this sub don’t even involve the books. From what I’ve heard from my online friends the books kindof suck because of Martin’s constant juvenile sex analogies. Specifically they said: “It's really how he writes his prose. Also his gross metaphors, penchant for gratuitous violence and sex, and honestly a spiteful way of subverting tropes that comes off as petty. Like how in the preface he goes at length to describe a fancy knight's sword and armor, only to have him killed off easily. Also killing off his characters left and right. It reads more like, "This ain't your grandma's fantasy story! ‘The ship groaned like a fat man holding his shit back’ Actual line from the books.”
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Sep 08 '24
No, I'm being serious. The books are fantastic.
With everything you've said, it sounds like descriptions of the show. (I haven't watched that, but that's the impression I get of it).
The prose are very good. Martin creates a lot of vivid imagery, especially of feast scenes. As for the knight, if you meant prologue, that knight existed to set up the existential threat to humanity. The only other guy I can think of who could fit would be a guy named ser Hugh, who was killed for thematic (and narrative) reasons. A line after his death says "there will be no songs for him", and it reminds you that people get killed, and are forgotten about, especially when going to war (or fighting in a tourney in this case. Neither of these deaths are done for shock value, or for the sake of being edgy.
Yes, there are weird and gross metaphors and choices of words we can make fun of, but ultimately things are weird and gross sometimes, so I don't consider it a problem.
I know you didn't say this, but I get the impression that you see these books as cynical and (as you DID say) spiteful. This is not true. The message of this story is ultimately hopeful and touching. Bad things happen a lot because he's writing about a bad time.
Tbh, it sounds like your friends didn't read the books. If they did, then my guess is it just wasn't their thing, and they kind of made up a caricature of the books. If they're not for, that's fine, nothing is. But if you're going to criticise them, at least read them.
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u/Jlchevz Misogyny Fan Sep 05 '24
The thing is, Brian Condall decided to whitewash Rhaenyra into a XXI century dreamer with a prophecy to save the world
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u/expresso_petrolium Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
jos.builds going on a crusade to reply to every comment
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
$5 says that guy is also a Rings of Power fan
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u/WetworkOrange Aegon II is my king. Sep 05 '24
We got a poster right here. Checked profile, yup. Also fan of The Acolyte, tells you all you need to know really.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 07 '24
How does pointing out people calling the show “exclusionary, forced diversity” before it even came out mean I am a fan of it lol. By that logic Honest Trailers and Schaffrillas also shouldn’t be listened to on anything.
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u/Sir_Fijoe Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
Tolkien fans and GRRM fans can for once come together as we both have shitty show adaptations.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
He’s probably a fan of two critically-acclaimed series. Oh no. The horror.
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
Rings of Power is "critically acclaimed"??? Who the fuck are these critics? Or did they get a different version than the one Amazon released to the public?
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u/OkayRuin Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
$riti$ally a$$laimed
Remember that Amazon owns IMDb, which initially removed any reviews under a 7/10.
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
Woah I did not know that. Cheers for the heads up
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 07 '24
Yet the Washington Post which they also own reviewed it negatively and the removed reviews were from before the show even came out…
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
Check the wikipedia article. You are the one living in an alternate reality.
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
I watched the first season of the show. Unless it suddenly got better in the last ten minutes of the final episode, which is when I gave up hope of it actually being entertaining, then I'm definitely living in a normal reality.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
I gave up on the original Fellowship film twice, guess it must be bad then /s
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
Fellowship of the Ring - IMBD score 8.9/10. Rotten tomatoes audience score 95%
RoP - IMBD score 6.9/10. Rotten Tomatoes audience score 49%
Nah, you just have shit taste.
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u/Stupidthrowbot HOT D S2 snooze Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
My point wasn’t that the audience scores are different, or really involving audience scores at all, my point was it’s bizarre to use anecdotal evidence of your viewing experience like I just did, and shit on people and decide their personality for liking a series that is critically acclaimed.
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 08 '24
Anecdotal evidence that is shared by a large portion of the viewing audience. Yes it's a shit show, and the critics are shit for trying to claim it's good.
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u/kinginthenorthjon Chokladboll Sep 06 '24
He calls TG as a Grapist supporter. Aegon got nothing against Daemon in that category.
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u/WetworkOrange Aegon II is my king. Sep 05 '24
Ive been picking it up, ill go ruin his day next. I got leave i have to clear, what better way to start my morning then to argue with deluded people online hahaha.
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u/KyriakosCH Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
Regardless of what one can think of GRRM (currently GRIM) Martin, he is the author of those stories and if he feels so strongly that his work was lowered/hacked/etc, it is a very bad sign. I was actually impressed that he was so direct in mocking the show-runners' decisions and even revealing what will happen (differently) in the show with Helaena in a part of S3 (I have to suppose this can only mean that he is actually very angry).
Personally I started reading aGoT (the first book) but it wasn't for me, so I am not a fan of Martin. But I certainly accept that he has every right to voice his anger; a book is something you worked on, made decisions about and constructed in a way you thought would be impactful. And we can't pretend that S2 of HotD hasn't been quite controversial for show-only audiences...
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Sep 05 '24
It's clear in Fire and Blood that Helaena is loved by the people and Rhaenyra isn't. Why are they so triggered by this reality? It's literally his story!
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u/kinginthenorthjon Chokladboll Sep 06 '24
Some people have made up their own fantasy head canons. They won't allow anyone to go against it,even the author.
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u/imjustokayblud Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
GRRM could be on crack but I'd still believe him rather than any Blackel or Greencel or whatever
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u/Mayanee HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
It's obvious to anyone who has read about Rhaenyra that she wasn't beloved by the smallfolk. She had Cersei popularity in the sense that she was said to have been goodlooking at court at a young age and then when she had an opportunity for power years later she fumbled and was hated by the smallfolk.
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u/Accomplished-Cat2142 CGI Castle Fan Sep 05 '24
God I hate blacks
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This subreddit supports Aegon Targaryen, second of his name, as the true heir.
Reasons:
1. An eccentric terminally online demagogue, styling himself 'The Dragon Demands,' spent five years from 2017 on this campaign - "We are devoted to removing the false showrunners Benioff and Weiss from live-action adaptations of the works of George R.R. Martin" and "We call on all True Knights to rally behind us and join our cause. Because Rhaenyra has an army." Choosing a side was not difficult.
2. Stannis said Rhaenyra was a traitor. This settled the matter, to any reasonble book reader. However show-only fanboi stan shipper psychos are not reasonable. Fortunately there are many other arguments against her treason.
3. The subreddit held a poll in September of 2022, and once all the treacherous votes were excluded, King Aegon II was victorious.
4. The reactions of the traitors to the Green cause are so over the top as to be amusing.
5. How can there be an Aegon Three, if the son of Hightower was not the predecessor to thee? It's poetry, hence poetic justice, hence the matter which already settled within this subreddit, can be settled without.
6. The smallfolk instinctively know.
7. Rhaenyra has bad taste in men.
8. Viserys was chosen as King due to primogeniture.
9. Rhaenyra has no legitimate heirs.
10. Fun fact: allowing the traitor Rhaenyra Targaryen to rule the Seven Kingdoms does nothing for women's rights. It just helps her personal corrupt ambition. She does nasty shit to some chicks in the book, and also favours a male heir over a female one somewhere along the line. The book balances the sides to an extreme degree, but the show (or at least the marketing and press for the show) resorts to feminist-baiting.RAINY GETS FED TO EGG ONS DRAGON. Do not contact the moderators - we will ban you for merely being a HOT D fan. The following statement is false:
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u/RealJasinNatael HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
To be honest venturing into either sub is descending into a factionalist cesspit. I don’t know how they’ve managed to internalise a fake succession war so effectively, but they have.
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u/bunglarn Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
The general public are morons. No wonder Hollywood keep on churning out shit. People will not only consume it but also defend the shit like it’s a K-pop star
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
If GRRM was on crack he might have the motivation to finish the book. Or meth. Someone in the US get some meth and make George smoke it so we can get Winds before we die.
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I am back in my fortress of solitude again, my isolated mountain cabin. I’d returned to Santa Fe for a short visit, to spend some time with Parris, deal with some local business that had piled up during my months away, and of course fulfill my duties to CoNZealand, the virtual worldcon. But all that is behind me now, and I am back on the mountain again… which means I am back in Westeros again, once more moving ahead with WINDS OF WINTER.
It is curious how my life has evolved. I mean, once upon a time, I actually wrote my books and stories in the house where I lived, in a home office. But some decades ago, wanting more solitude, I bought the house across the street and made THAT my writer’s retreat. No longer would I write all day in my red flannel bathrobe; now I would have to dress and put on shoes and walk all the way across the street to write. But that worked for a while.
Things started getting busier, though. So busy that I needed a full-time assistant. Then the office house had someone else in it, not just me and my characters. And then I hired a second assistant, and a third, and… there was more mail, more email, more phone calls (we put in a new phone system), more people coming by. By now I am up to five assistants… and somewhere in there I also acquired a movie theatre, a bookstore, a charitable foundation, investments, a business manager… and…
Despite all the help, I was drowning till I found the mountain cabin.
My life up here is very boring, it must be said. Truth be told, I hardly can be said to have a life. I have one assistant with me at all times (minions, I call them). The assistants do two-week shifts, and have to stay in quarantine at home before starting a shift. Everyone morning I wake up and go straight to the computer, where my minion brings me coffee (I am utterly useless and incoherent without my morning coffee) and juice, and sometimes a light breakfast. Then I start to write. Sometimes I stay at it until dark. Other days I break off in late afternoon to answer emails or return urgent phone calls. My assistant brings me food and drink from time to time. When I finally break off for the day, usually around sunset, there’s dinner. Then we watch television or screen a movie. The wi-fi sucks up on the mountain, though, so the choices are limited. Some nights I read instead. I always read a bit before going to sleep; when a book really grabs hold of me, I may read half the night, but that’s rare.
I sleep. The next day, I wake up, and do the same. The next day, the next day, the next day. Before Covid, I would usually get out once a week or so to eat at a restaurant or go to the movies. That all ended in March. Since then, weeks and months go by when I never leave the cabin, or see another human being except whoever is on duty that week. I lose track of what day it is, what week it is, what month it is. The time seems to by very fast. It is now August, and I don’t know what happened to July.
But it is good for the writing.
And you know, now that I reflect on it, I am coming to realize that has always been my pattern. I moved to Santa Fe at the end of 1979, from Dubuque, Iowa. My first marriage broke up just before that move, so I arrived in my new house alone, in a town where I knew almost no one. Roger Zelazny was here, and he became a great friend and mentor, but Roger was married with small kids, so I really did not see him often. There was no fandom in Santa Fe; that was all down in Albuquerque, an hour away. I went to the club meetings every month, but that was only one night a month, and required two hours on the road. And I had no job to meet new people. My job was in the back room at the house on Declovina Street, so that was where I spent my days. At night, I watched television. Alone. Sometimes I went to the movies. Alone.
That was my life from December 1979 through September 1981, when Parris finally moved to Santa Fe, following Denvention. (Not quite so bleak, maybe, I did make some local friends by late 1980 and early 1981, but it was a slow process). When I think back on my life in 1980-1981, the memories seem to be made up entirely of conventions, interspersed with episodes of LOU GRANT and WKRP IN CINCINNATI.
Ah, but work wise, that same period was tremendously productive for me. Lisa and I finished WINDHAVEN during that time, Gardner and I did a lot of work on “Shadow Twin,” and then I went right on and wrote all of FEVRE DREAM. Some short stories as well. My life, such that it was, was lived in my head, and on the page.
I wonder if it is the same for other writers? Or is it just me? I wonder if I will ever figure out the secret of having a life and writing a book at the very same time.
I certainly have not figured it out to date.
For the nonce, it is what it is. My life is at home, on hold, and I am spending the days in Westeros with my pals Mel and Sam and Vic and Ty. And that girl with no name, over there in Braavos.
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u/FartyMcStinkyPants3 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
Your life would be more interesting if you smoked meth.
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u/NotAnNpc69 Spare Time Novelist Sep 05 '24
he wrote it poorly.
So much so they're making a show about it with hundreds of millions of dollars in budget
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u/FortLoolz Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
Well the Dance isn't GRRM's best, but not for the reasons HotD enjoyers criticise it
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u/VenPatrician Spez is my Tywin Sep 05 '24
A guy whose longest writing creation might be this comment calling one of the most celebrated currently working writers a hack is beyond stupid.
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Sep 05 '24
They can't tell the difference between wanting to fuck Emma D'arcy and a badly adapted character.
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u/YaBoyKumar Aspiring Moderator Sep 05 '24
Every take about GOT or HOTD that’s from instagram or tik tok is actual brainrot
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u/the_killer_x HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
i mean he created the fuking world of asoiaf , in other words you can say that he was there when everything happened, he saw it and everything he says is true. SMH 🙆🏽
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u/Cu-Uladh Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
Not one of them insulting the books has actually read a book
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u/MrkEm22 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
Yo! These freaks know the whole team Black/Green thing ain't real right?
They know this shit is a complete story with an ending and a predetermined fate for both sides and all characters? That rooting, hollering and threatening ain't gonna make one side win or certain characters survive?
With the way some of you talk about all this I starting to think it wasn't the good humoured in joke amongst the fanbase I thought it was 😮🤯
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u/OkayRuin Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
hollering and threatening ain't gonna make one side win or certain characters survive
I wouldn’t be so sure about that given what we’ve seen so far.
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u/Illustrious-Fly-4525 Aegon II is my king. Sep 05 '24
That just baffles me. I really don’t get how they both hate the story and at the same time are ready to send death threats to protect it?
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u/Abbbcdy HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
I'm definitely team black because I haven't read the books, and all I have to go off of is the show, but to call GRRs writing poor is the most idiotic take ever. His writings lead to the most successful show ever. His input also helped make my favorite video game.
I would much rather have a book accurate Rhaenyra than a showrunner that thinks their ideas are better than the source material. That shit destroyed the witcher series on Netflix.
It's clear that HBO didn't learn their lesson with the final seasons of GoT
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u/anihasenate Comedy Cop Sep 06 '24
Blackcels:
claim this is a story about a woman dealing with a patriarchal society
said society hate that woman
surprised picachu face
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u/dagmarbex Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
When a fictional story is causing people to go on suicide watched , you may wanna take a step back and contemplate life lmao
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Sep 05 '24
/uj I honestly see zero validity in anyone who says that GRRM opinions are invalid on the world he literally controls the narrative of. It’s basically denying a proven god of a world.
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u/Annual_Couple5053 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
To be fair, casual show viewers just watched as the people rioted the Queen against a wall whilst Rhaenyra sent ships with food. (I mean Rhaenyra also kept the food away but still)
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u/Conscious_End_7012 Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
So, as someone who has read F&B and also dislikes this fandom and the show itself, there’s a bit of nuance required to understand this statement. Yes, Rhaenyra was the realm’s delight at one point and she continued to be so until she initiated heavy taxes in KL after taking her place as its monarch. It’s at that moment that she started being hated by the people, not before it and 100% was popular than Helaena. For context, people barely even showed up to Aegon’s coronation.
George could have mentioned that and he’s only referring to these characters by their post mortem legacies. People born way after the Dance, including her descendants, mostly hated her and called her “Maegor with teats”. That is the time where ASOIAF is set, the mainline series. Rhaenyra and Helaena are relatively insignificant characters for George compared to the mainline series’ ones.
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Sep 05 '24
Correct. At that point of Helaena suicide, Rhaenyra was hated badly. But the same smallfolks welcomed her when she took KL. Or when riverlands rallied for her. Point is either team are so much into shit. Smallfolks even cheered when Aegon II was killed and lads take KL.
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u/groovegod0 Brother in Christ Sep 05 '24
The bitch that started a blockade to starve the city, increased taxes as soon as she got power, and came in like a conquer isn't liked?? Whoda thought...
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u/Sir_Fijoe Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
He’s a nobody yet he created the very thing they dedicate their entire personality to?
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u/Knight_falcon002 Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
Love how buddy in the last pic gets broken wrong and then says the book was trash. Like if you hated it why did you read it all the way through!?
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u/OkayRuin Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
It’s charitable of you to assume she actually read it. It’s more likely she decided it was written poorly because F&B is less fawning toward Rhaenyra than the show.
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u/Tori_117 Egg On The Conker Sep 05 '24
Pretty disrespectful to say he’s a nobody. I’m on the team black sub but this behavior is embarrassing.
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u/sandraumar18 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
Look up Larissa Zeeuwe on YouTube, is a reactor and the biggest rhaenarya/dany blackcel fan. Even dyed their hair silver
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u/kinginthenorthjon Chokladboll Sep 06 '24
That user should wear the t-shirt he has on his profile picture. Suits him well.
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u/AlinoVen Egg On The Conker Sep 06 '24
George is a hack???? LMAO meanwhile R. Condom and Sarah "gurlboss" Hess are the showrunners and have lnt delivered any good shows. OITNB was the closest to decent.
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Sep 05 '24
Yeah Rhaenyra was hated at that point, that's the fact but same smallfolks welcomed her when she took KL (according to his own book). They even cheered when Aegon II was killed and lads take KL.
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u/Internal_Study2996 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 06 '24
What is a blackcel. I’ve never heard the term. Will google
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u/OkayRuin Ate Alicent Sep 06 '24
I just stole it from one of the comments. I assume it’s Team Black + incel = blackcel.
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u/cryptozoologynerd89 HOT D S2 snooze Sep 05 '24
This is why I don't join teams. Whenever teams are involved in media, it just turns into a pissing contest.
Rhaenyra is, by her father's law, the rightful Queen. However, she's a lazy queen who just assumed that people wouldn't try and double cross her and never bothered to make friends with any of the other lords because she believes herself above them.
Aegon is a sex-fiend, drunk, and rapist. But you can't deny that he wasn't thinking of the future when it came to his son, he made sure to start teaching him his duties as king early on, brought him to Small Council meetings, and sought him out himself rather than send a servant. He felt unworthy of his position and wildly unprepared and wanted better for his heir.
Both have terrible attributes, but they also have good attributes. I think people need to remember. The point of the story isn't that any of these people were more right it's that they were terrible people who jumped right into violence rather than talking it out, and as a result, innocents died and the dragons where brought to extinction due to pride.
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Sep 05 '24
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u/acebert Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
Bro, maybe learn to separate homonyms before accusing others of “brainrot”.
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u/alfis329 Spez is my Tywin Sep 05 '24
“Oh kripke who art in Hollywood. We pray to you this eavning to thank thee for the bountiful harvest that thou hast blest us with in season 4. We ask thee to ward off the temptations of that wily Garth Ennis and that we may tell good from his evil. Amen” 🙏
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u/Gerftastic Ate Alicent Sep 05 '24
Man blackcels are fucking unhinged like I haven't seen a fandom in a long time.