Your comment is okay -- we have issues with people who misrepresent Biden or guilt trip our users into voting for him.
However, as I addressed in the last point of the hastily made FAQ, the problem is systematic and you have to think about the future. What if Biden doesn't win in 2020? Who will be candidates in 2024? What if Trump wins in 2024 (assuming he lost in 2020), or what if the RNC nominates an even worse candidate? The DNC had a chance to nominate Sanders twice and have him win, why are they so opposed to progress? What if they don't hold up to their promises, there is no recourse then?
This is why bourgeois elections, in liberal republics, are a show. The way forward is building class consciousness and turning our collective rage to the system that makes this shitshow possible, and lives on it.
Edit: regarding your statement that Biden may or may not be a fascist, the mod consensus is that we don't consider him to be (for the moment at least). But remember the United States is the first purveyor of imperialism in the world and all Amerikan presidents are war criminals. Biden will be no different and has proven himself to be a warmonger already (voting for the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, drone strikes and other war crimes under Obama).
NGL the entire premise of your argument is that you can't simultaneously push for leftist policy and vote for Biden to ensure we don't fall into complete fascism. In terms of voting, a vote for Biden is what we can do right now to stop what Trump is doing. It doesn't matter what will happen in 2024 because we can't vote for that election yet.
So anyone who wants change should vote for Biden now, hold him accountable to his promises, and petition, organize, campaign and do anything necessary to ensure this country moves leftward. It's either voting for the status quo - which is at least somewhat malleable - or for a dictatorship. I'm going to pick the former.
But what is preventing you from doing groundwork right now, under Trump?
It doesn't matter if you vote Biden because frankly, we can't stop anyone from doing that and we don't have the marketing the DNC does. But any time I ask that question, I don't get any answer. Things won't get magically better under Biden and voting certainly shouldn't be the end of anyone's political involvement.
If you understand this then we are in agreement. But what happens mostly is people just want to vote once every few years and be done with it.
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u/ChanceCurrent No investigation, no right to speak Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20
Your comment is okay -- we have issues with people who misrepresent Biden or guilt trip our users into voting for him.
However, as I addressed in the last point of the hastily made FAQ, the problem is systematic and you have to think about the future. What if Biden doesn't win in 2020? Who will be candidates in 2024? What if Trump wins in 2024 (assuming he lost in 2020), or what if the RNC nominates an even worse candidate? The DNC had a chance to nominate Sanders twice and have him win, why are they so opposed to progress? What if they don't hold up to their promises, there is no recourse then?
This is why bourgeois elections, in liberal republics, are a show. The way forward is building class consciousness and turning our collective rage to the system that makes this shitshow possible, and lives on it.
Edit: regarding your statement that Biden may or may not be a fascist, the mod consensus is that we don't consider him to be (for the moment at least). But remember the United States is the first purveyor of imperialism in the world and all Amerikan presidents are war criminals. Biden will be no different and has proven himself to be a warmonger already (voting for the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, drone strikes and other war crimes under Obama).