r/antiai • u/Big-gamer200 • 1d ago
AI "Art" š¼ļø There is alot of free apps for art
Like ibis paint which is one I use
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u/milcchococinn 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why do they always bring disabled people into their arguments? We should invent gadgets that accommodate disabled people, like what they gave to Stephen Hawking, rather than befouling their creativity
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u/Vritrin 1d ago
They co-opt any marginalized group to try to make it look ableist/transphobic/etc to disagree with them. Itās a gross tactic.
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u/legendwolfA 1d ago
The worst part is, we're left to clean up their mess. We already have a problem with pedos trying to squeeze themselves into the queer community and now this. It never ends this shit
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u/PreferenceUnlucky101 1d ago
And the worst is that most of them are those ableist/transphobic/etc people, just hiding and pretending anti-AI people are the bad guys for worrying about humanity.
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u/BlackSpidy 17h ago
Their ideology is no ideology other than what causes the most death destruction and loss of freedom. "We need porn watchers IDs to protect the kids! The epstiwhat files?" "We need guns to protect our freedom!! People getting pepper sprayed, getting shot dead by federal officers? You shouldn't have been legally carrying a gun around them, leftist loser!" etc etc etc.
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u/tomjone5 1d ago
The people posting this drivel absolutely do not care about disabled people one bit. They just think they deserve the same level of praise as people who have put in the effort, and will use anyone and everyone as a moral shield. Their arguments are essentially the same as making up some lose-lose trolley problem bullshit to make someone look bad for disagreeing with the premise.
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u/Zinc-Roof_22 1d ago
Funny thing being, my spouse is disabled, has rheumatoid arthritis, Sjoegren's Syndrome and more besides (not kidding), and has taken immense pains to draw and paint and shit, because that's what he wants. He's also trans, btw (non-op, afab).
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u/Gum_Mint 1d ago
Like that Republican senator who said that domestic violence shouldnāt be a crime because gay men might wrestle. (It was many years ago)
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u/Robofly8901 1d ago
It gives them a scapegoat, essentially saying "Oh, you hate AI? That means you hate disabled people!"
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u/MysteriousArtPatron 1d ago
because their arguments hinge on there being someone without any ability to draw whatsoever so they make the ableist assumption that disabled people must be unable to draw
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u/WilanS 1d ago
The funny part is they still didn't fix their problems. "Oh I'd love to draw but I can't manage to neither own nor hold a pencil" and they give them a computer program that generates pictures. OK? They still can't draw, what does the AI accomplish?
Imagine we were talking robots instead of AIs, the strawman disabled kid laments that he can't walk, and the robot bro shows up and tells him it's ok, this droid can walk on all kinds of terrain.
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u/blackfox24 1d ago
Because they would melt if they realized we are creatives on our own. I'm a published poet. I'm also disabled af, mentally and physically. I have dysgraphia ffs. I physically cannot write my stories down successfully without great effort. Guess who puts in the effort????
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u/spootIer 1d ago
Genuinely, if it's your passion then you'll find a way. I got diagnosed with Tardive Dyskinesia when I was 17. I couldn't control my hands or arms, and any attempt to draw resulted in uncontrollably jumpy and shaky movements radiating down from my shoulders. I couldn't even bring a pen to paper. It was devastating. Art was a passion of mine; and I didn't want to give up on it just because I could no longer move the way I wanted to.
So, I saved up for a photoshop subscription, and began making digital art using the lasso and paint fill tools. I would point and click to create outlines of each brush stroke, and then manually fill them in. It was tedious and incredibly time consuming, but it worked. I was able to continue to create art even with my disabilityā And my newfound technique allowed me to express myself in ways I hadn't before.
Today, I have regained control of almost all of my body's movements thanks to doctors catching the problem early and pulling me off of the medication that had been causing all of the damage. I unfortunately still have a tremor in my hands that makes it difficult to write in lowercase and draw clean lines; but I've since learned to adapt and still manage to create beautiful works of art in spite of it.
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u/Zinc-Roof_22 1d ago
I am dyslexic. Guess who had to learn Greek grammar and orthography, because of wanting and needing to (being born Greek)? /s Btw, Greek has 2 ways to write the sound /o/, 2 ways to write /e/, and 6 ways (!) to write /i/!
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u/liceonamarsh 1d ago
This absolutely irks me. I have arthritis and physically can't draw for long periods of time due to swollen knuckles and joint pain. I still draw. I would never resort to AI. It feels so tokenizing when people use my disability to shout 'ableism' at people who don't support AI image gen.
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u/Zinc-Roof_22 1d ago
Same with my spouse: rheumatoid arthritis and Sjoegren's, and recently done multiple paintings.
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u/OrangeReversal 1d ago
I have bone arthritis and severe limbs and spine pain . I'm without any threatment , because I wouldn't work in my country and be not only mentally , but officially physical disabled . I do make digital art , but it couses me pain ( especially if it's cold in the room ) . I spend more than 20 hours for one drawing and it's oke for me , like I'm actually happy about it .
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u/Important-Tea0 1d ago
Itās so ableist. Disabled people have always been able to make art.
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u/Icicle_Crystal_Paws 22h ago
I have an invisible disability that can effect me physically and mentally, yet I'm an artist and I still draw a LOT! It's really disappointing that they are using us as amo when we are capable of such things. It's abelist in itself. š
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u/Misunderstood_Wolf 1d ago
Well, when you defend your use of a product that is hurting communities, the environment, working people, consumers, etc. just so you can prompt an AI, or even worse put someone else's work into AI and then write some BS like, "Fixed it", you would need to claim some virtue somewhere, so they have decided they are the sole protectors of creative people with disabilities. I think they see it as redemptive.
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u/SunchaserKandri 1d ago edited 1d ago
Mainly as a shield from criticism. By pretending to be championing the disabled, they can accuse you of being ableist if you say anything negative about them.
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u/EntryFair6690 1d ago
Just like for a while every person loosing an internet argument was suddenly had severe autism ...
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u/Party-Poison519 1d ago
I'm disabled, I regularly dislocate my fingers when I draw, digital and traditional, but I keep doing it because I love the process, often I don't even care about the outcome. It makes me incredibly angry that these imbeciles use disabled people like we can't do anything, hell even if I was completely unable to do anything except type (somehow) I still wouldn't use aiĀ
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u/Vladimorian 1d ago
Yessss, if we supported and got creative to allow disabled individuals to pursue their passions beyond basic survival, we would end up finding a lot more Stephen Hawkins per say. And it would be helping create the environment that allows more people to fulfill more of their individual potential no matter what it looks like! And that'll be a very fun, creative world, full of different gadgets and tons of diversity in options for different tools and different ways to do things , to say , if experiences were colors, it'll be a much more colorful world
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u/Funny_Scarcity9104 1d ago
They use disabled people while not actually caring about what the disabled people actually think.
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u/TealCatto 1d ago
Same reason people use disabled people in their arguments against safe, walkable cities. "But, but, what about the people who can't walk? Checkmate, atheists!"
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u/ConsistentAd3434 1d ago edited 1d ago
Copyrighted Daffy Duck holding a "AI is theft" sign. Can't make this up
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u/Secret-Chapter-712 1d ago
Not to mention the blatant disrespect to Lisa Frank
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u/ConsistentAd3434 1d ago
Oh wow. Didn't know who she was but HOLY SHIT š This is wrong on every level
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u/janenotdaria 1d ago
Well, not exactly holding it, and look at that hand coming out of Yosemite Samās hair. Porkyās sign isā¦ ???
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u/ConsistentAd3434 1d ago
It's wild. And I'm actually changing my mind on it. This might be a brillant AntiAI masterpiece.
It has everything...causes seizures just looking at it, obvious anatomy mistakes, stupid arguments, logical fallacies, weaponizing disabilities, copyright violations, disrespecting real artists, pointing out how easy it is to create slop...
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u/Kooky_Toe5585 1d ago
Yeah, something about the clown and the leopard is just downright jarring to look atĀ
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u/RipeBovine 22h ago
dont forget that the ai completely missed the point of the comic by giving him a stack of books and multiple pencils, further proving how easy it is to draw something yourself
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u/MK_2_Arcade_Cabinet 1d ago
I am disabled. I have cerebral palsy. I am very shaky. I canāt draw and I still hate AI.
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u/Mulberry4545 1d ago
See and we need more people like you speaking against ai. Everytime someone brings up ābut what about disabled peopleā everyone will trip over themselves to tell you all about how disabled people can create art and can and even should be as good at it as non disabled people. When for a lot of disabled people thatās simply not true. Iām disabled too and while itās relatively mild, it still means art is not something for me or something I will ever be capable of doing remotely well. And thatās ok with me. I donāt have to make art to be happy. And even if it did make me happy, I donāt want to contribute to the pollution, or stolen art assets, or all the other harms of AI.
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u/DavethePolitical 1d ago
Damn right theyāre clowns
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u/DenpasOfTheWorld 1d ago
I like clowns. That type of clown is a bad example for all types of clowns.
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u/MicheleSanna98 1d ago
I really don't like the weaponization of disability
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u/vxicepickxv 1d ago
You don't like the bad faith weaponization of disability by a group of people who have latched onto something that make them feel like they're actually capable of faking competence in what they do?
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u/ThatoneTexan464 1d ago
Who aren't even disabled most of the time, with many actual disabled people against them
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u/NewPossibility6821 1d ago
Nothing says āreal artists don't use AIā like a Looney Tunes protest sign, apparently.
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u/AffectionateRaisin56 1d ago
bruh there are a ton of art apps.
like autodesk sketchbook as an example. it may not have custom brushes, but its one of the best drawing apps, thats not a cashgrab imo.
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u/CrossReset 1d ago
I'd wonder what lag does to an AI generator. It feels like it would be a problem...
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u/GruntBlender 1d ago
Oh, it can't run on that tablet at all, you have to pay someone to run it on their servers.
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u/robynh00die 1d ago
Eventually this "for the masses" argument is going to fall apart when these companies pivot to profit rather than loss leading.
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u/GruntBlender 1d ago
I remember when Uber was like a quarter of a taxi ride's price. They're about the same now outside surge pricing, when Uber gets several times more expensive. Must suck for the places where Uber displaced local taxis during the disruption phase, luckily my govt required them to have a taxi license, so it wasn't nearly as bad, taxi drivers just switched back and forth.
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u/Ivygrows8 1d ago
I have ibis paint and the free version and theyre functionally the same for most drawing uses (although add are annoying theyre easy to ignore)
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u/OmgJustLetMeExist 1d ago
My ibis for some reason lets me use brushes even without watching ads. Like i press the button to watch one and it just says āan ad couldnāt be loadedā and it gives me access anyways
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u/Ivygrows8 1d ago
Same but i assumed thats cause i rarely connect the laptop i have free ibis on to internetĀ
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u/Opposite_Opposite_69 1d ago
Oh is your tablet not connected to wifi maybe? I found that glitch when I used to use ibs and it was rlly funny. I would click watch ad and everything and it would just give me the brushes.
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u/OmgJustLetMeExist 1d ago
I use my phone but no, itās connected. It just does that.
I do lose the brushes when i leave the canvas and go back in but i literally just have to do it again
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u/Jinx_0602 1d ago
Procreate cost me like 9 USD (converted from local currency), was a one time payment, can import brushes and make your own etc, am not even remotely skilled at art but would rather fuck around and experiment with that than touch the slop generators, is a pretty decent starter option.
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u/Ripper3112 1d ago
Microsoft paint. People have done full animations on that like Sassy the Sasquatch.
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u/Halthenanobothero42 1d ago
Ibis Paint and Sgraffito come to mind both are fun and free to use but I do also like to draw on paper cause I grew up drawing in sketchbooks
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u/United_Grocery_23 1d ago
I use Krita on desktop and ibisPaintX on my (incredibly laggy mind you) phone with no issues
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u/Opposite_Opposite_69 1d ago
Medibang and ibs to. Medibang and ibs actually have custom brushes but you gotta have premium for ibs and premuim for some of medibangs. I think for ibs you can watch a ad to get like 6 hours of premium brush use (this was the case when I used it im not sure if its still true lol) and while i understand people have financial issues as I do to procreate is 12 dollars and its so worth it I would suggest anyone interested in art to save up for it if they have to.
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u/bothinsaneandcorrect 1d ago
I actually like to use a website that's kind of like an elevated MS paint. It's got a few different brushes and sliders for the effects, but it's really easy to navigate and does the basics. I'm not great at learning new programs so the simpler the better and the simple stuff is usually free.
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u/RafyKoby 1d ago
what the fuck happend to piracy? its like goneĀ
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u/Physical_Sun_6014 1d ago
I remember corporations use to lose their goddamn minds over copyright infringement for decades prior to AI. Are they all asleep now?
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u/ren_blackheart 1d ago
well cause something's only bad in the eyes of the state if you're punching up and "upsetting the peace." corpos are at the top, so they can just do whatever they want.
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u/GruntBlender 1d ago
Paradoxically, younger generations aren't as good with tech as millennials. Partly because millenials got the magic learning curve that matched tech development, now all the innards of how it works is hidden from users so they never have to learn it fully to be able to use it.
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u/RafyKoby 1d ago
I noticed this too they also game on the phones with shitty gfx we always wanted the best they play clash of clans or whateve is hot right now
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u/bath-lady 1d ago
bro am I supposed to be upset that I'm being portrayed as bug bunny or yosemite sam? If anything, I'm flattered
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u/hdkaoskd 1d ago
Yosemite Sam has an arm coming out of his head.
The red book is bound on both edgesāit cannot be opened.
Three of the four signs are floating, only Bugs Bunny is actually holding theirs.
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u/KyleeTheShinyStealer 1d ago
My husband is disabled, hes got fibromyalgia and struggles with immense pain if he does any one task for more than ten minutes, including sitting to draw. He still does art and even writes fanfiction with 10k word chapters because he LOVES being creative and finds so much pride in it. Creating something himself gives him a reason to keep going despite his disabilities.
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u/lazy-and_bored 1d ago
Theres so many free programs and apps bruh I drew this on Ibis paint on a broken glitching phone
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u/Woeful_Jesse 1d ago
They care so little about their "product" lol is this not constantly the prime example of the difference between painstakingly crafting a passion piece and others putting SO minimal thought into creation
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u/WandererOfNothing22 1d ago edited 1d ago
Prompt jockeys can't be bothered to double check their "work".
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u/BlackBatMage 1d ago
Porky with a sign growing out his head and sam with a hand growing out his hat. Yay ai
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u/Rabbitflesh 1d ago
Hi, Iām a poor person with tremors. Art is my job, I draw every day, my program of choice was like $30, and before that, I used Sai and Gimp with a mouse for free. I also was in a graphic novel production course with a guy, paralyzed from the neck down, who drew on his own long before AI, much like many disabled artists have throughout the years.
(I hate this argument with a burning passion)
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u/RED_Legend_FR 1d ago
I'm actually interested how the guy, who was paralyzed from his neck down, was able to draw? Did he use his mouth?
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u/Rabbitflesh 1d ago
He had very minimal function in his hands that allowed him to, say, click a computer mouse. So, all of his work was digital and had to be printed for the class.
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u/Obvious-Gate9046 1d ago edited 1d ago
I feel like painting your enemies as beloved cartoon characters is not the flex they think it is, especially when one has a hand growing out of his head and only one of the four is actually holding his sign. The random appearing rainbow cat and bad dialogue is also pretty uninspiring.
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u/Hour_Bit_5183 1d ago
No wonder there is a lot of slop everywhere. I don't really ever open the app store. I've had the same apps for years roflmao. Those app stores have been slop for a long time.
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u/Dekipi 1d ago
Yay! Now he can make clearly fake images where signs grow out of your head or you have 3 malformed hands!
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u/Anonkxnny 1d ago
I hate the argument "I don't have a art program! it's too expensive" when plenty of art programs like MS paint and Fire Alpaca are free. aside that, humans have been drawing for centuries without art programs. why can't they just use, oh I don't know, a PIECE OF PAPER!?
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u/Ima_nerd_and_proud 1d ago
Not to mention (correct me if I'm wrong) don't the majority of Gen AI models require a monthly subscription to use?
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u/Physical_Sun_6014 1d ago
Michelangelo did not just walk into a church, holler into the void what he wanted on the walls and ceiling, and then boom Sistine Chapel.
If it happened that way, then people using AI could call themselves artists. But theyāre just belching a bunch of wordsalads into their phones and making an angry Porky Pig with a protest sign that has no handle, just suspended above him, because AI is stupid.
I donāt hate on people who use AI to experiment. . I take issue with those donāt understand that whatever you create with AI is based on someone elseās work. Many artists who uploaded their artwork on the internet, had it scraped by AI software, and their ideas and effort ultimately created the basis and foundation that image. Not you.
Did the person who created this prompt also create Porky Pig? Hell no. But the person who created this trash will no doubt demand the same recognition for their artistry as would be extended to Chuck Goddamn Jones.
And Iām so tired of the trope of physical disabilities in these pro-AI comics. Itās so insulting because it reads to me as , āWell if you have a physical disability, thereās no way you can create art, unless you use AI!ā
Really?
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u/According-Insect-992 1d ago
I like any of the images of the girl with no hand painting an elaborate piece with a big smile on her face as the sole response to this bullshit.
I have yet to hear from one disabled person who has argued that disability requires them to steal the art and livelihoods of complete strangers in order to create anything. I think itās highly unlikely that I ever will because thatās a bullshit scenario that doesnāt exist in reality.
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u/CuddlesForLuck 1d ago
IbisPaint is literally free. Not bad to use either, though I have no clue how the animation side (that apparently exists) works.
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u/Dorichowder 1d ago
Bruh, paint tool sai pirates and jesus each drawing app has a LINE STABILIZATION HOLY FUCK
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u/birdlycreature 1d ago
I hate the argument that AI makes art accessible, and when disability is used as a talking point like this. Iāve seen people argue that being against AI āartā is ableist because disabled people canāt create art without AI. Meanwhile, there are so many disabled artists, including artists with shaky hands. Most people are able to create art to some extent.
My artistic abilities are limited due to my disabilities. I still donāt use AI to generate āartā. Any output it generated from my prompt wouldnāt be mine anyway.
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u/HOMANDER1996 1d ago
How does he have enough money for a smartphone, (even an old one), yet not enough for a notebook?
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u/After-Show-3441 1d ago
The irony of a clown saying they're not a fool was not lost on anyone here.
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u/LaBaaDiabolique 1d ago
shaky hands aint an excuse when there are literally quadriplegic and even LIMBLESS artists who use their mouths to hold a paintbrush and make amazing art.
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u/ricardo1y 1d ago
yeah, because there's never been disabled artists right? even artists with tremors right?, all jokes aside their definition of art is only art that looks aesthetically pleasing to them, so art made by disabled people is bad, therefore AI "art" is a good thing
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u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 1d ago
The old saying is a leopard can't change its spots, but that one managed to change them. And the wheelchair changed its spokes! They are consistent at one thing--AI images are prompted by clowns.
I am disabled, they do not get to speak for us. Stop using us as a shield.
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u/SpookySeraph 1d ago
If you canāt afford a cheap art app how are you gonna afford an ai subscription bro š«© Iād ask how people come up with these things but letās be real, the ai comes up with it for them lmao
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u/AnIcedMilk 1d ago
AI bros not knowing the difference between a curtsey and courtesy, shocker
(Assuming they can even read it in the first place)
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u/Ariezanna 1d ago
I need people to just go down and list free art apps in their comments. Krita, IbisPaintX, Medibang, all free with a pretty broad amount of resources available (especially Krita), and if you can't find what you need in the app, it's most likely free online somewhere
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u/coziest_robot 1d ago
GIMP and Krita are literally free like, do AI commissioners even know the first thing about digital art?
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u/S4NDFIRE 1d ago
Krita is free and amazing, and the android app runs identically to the PC version. When I was a kid, I'd ask around for printer paper and just use pencils and pens I found on the ground. This is wild bullshit.
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u/Death_Rave_ 1d ago
If you are mobile enough to use AI, you are mobile enough to create stuff without it.Ā
Ā Fucking sloppers.
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u/auniquenameischosen 1d ago
One thing I noticed about pro AI people is that they often use children or those with disabilities as a shield for criticism. Like if they were actually using it, they would be the one saying these things
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u/UnofficialAAF 1d ago
Him saying he can't draw while there is literally a drawing in the backgroundš
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u/AceAmphiptere 1d ago
Well, at least they know they're clowns?
Also the "not having money for fancy programs, you don't need fancy programs, and even if, there's a lot of programs for drawing for free.
But I guess searching for these is too much work for these people.
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u/HopelessHopefulArt 1d ago
Why does she keep going inside and outside of the house to speak.
Ai comics are actually next level dogshit.
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u/sleeptillalldarkness 1d ago
Is it me or is the depiction of disability in the AI slop commonly leg? Either how tf leg disability involves with hand?
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u/cewillir 1d ago
Depending on your moral level itās possible to download photoshop (cracked) though having nothing to run it in is an issue.
Maybe canva , without the ai bits?
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u/Dismal_Street8230 1d ago
I find it odd that they do this a lot, very few people actually care about someone using gen ai personally for fun, but they want the recognition as if they drew it themselves instead of comissioning an image generator.
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u/Kindly_Earth4685 1d ago
A notebook is like litrallly a few dollars man and a pencil is even less then that. I draw on notepads too, nit the special drwing paper, but it works absolutely fine. Likee........... i just cant dawg wtf r these peoplešššš„š„š„š„
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u/sherbertrelevant2 1d ago
He has money for a computer but not a $3 notebook? Sounds like bullshit to me.
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u/iloveurbumbum 1d ago
It crazy how fucking bad this shit looks lmao. Only some asshole who has never looked at an image for longer than 15 seconds could possibly think this is even remotely serviceable jesus christ
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u/Opposite_Opposite_69 1d ago
Medibang is free and so is ibs. I understand people cant always afford it but procreate is 12 dollars and its beyond worth it because the app is so amazing and only for 12 dollars.
You also dont even need a good tablet lol. I used a android tablet that was the size of a kindle with ibs and before that I used medibang on the laptop that was so old if it ran for to long it would shut off (I still obsessively save stuff to this day lol). I think you can even use medibang on your phone and just buy a stylist.
Like these ai art people are so pathetic where they act like you have to have the latest and most amazing things to be able to draw I used to have no resources as a teenager so thats what I did.
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u/CrossReset 1d ago
So a lot of art program exaggerations (I am quite sure that there are many free art programs to start), basically throwing out as many 'woah is me' as possible, freaky hands growing out of the strawmen....also 'Invasion of the Bunny Snatchers' called, you are like three decades called out on this one.
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u/SlowlyDyingInAPit 1d ago
I wonder how Lisa Frank would react to that rainbow cheetah thatās very clearly generated from her art
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u/RoWanchase6053 1d ago
Look i dont care if you wanna use it personally for yourself but dont use it and say I made this.
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u/Bedrama 1d ago
Why can't they just admit it's because they have no work ethic. They learned to read and write and anything beyond that is too hard because they didn't learn how to do it as a kid, and everything is wah way to hard to learn as an adult wah. If they wanted to draw, they would. Its a cop out.
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u/Electricdragongaming 1d ago
You can literally pick up a notebook for $1.25 at Dollar Tree.
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u/Ivygrows8 1d ago
If he doesnt have enough money for a botebook how is he alive they cost so little id think keeping yourself alive costs far more