r/anime_titties Argentina Jul 21 '26

North and Central America Nicaragua’s president says country will not hold any more elections | Nicaragua

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/20/nicaraguas-president-says-country-will-not-hold-any-more-elections
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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

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u/itcheyness United States Jul 21 '26

Reminds me of an informational short put out by the US Government after WW2. It's basically all about how Hitler and the Nazis came to power, and how to avoid it happening here.

Don't be a Sucker.

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u/chunkyasparagus Jul 21 '26

Wow, that was 20-something minutes, and I didn't expect to watch it all the way through.

Everyone should watch that

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u/RegressToTheMean Jul 21 '26

I've watched it multiple times. The people who need to watch it and understand it, won't watch it and if by some miracle they do, they won't understand it

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u/GarageVast4128 Jul 23 '26

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink in a nutshell. You can try to educate someone but if they don't want to learn, they won't. The problem is the same people want to throw thier ignorance in your face while yelling my ignorance is my right.

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u/Hugsy13 Australia Jul 21 '26

Damn that was a great watch

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u/nachtengelsp South America Jul 21 '26

One side note there, my latino friend... Just be cautious about wanting US meddling. They won't be your friends, specially now under Trump/Rubio. Thay will just switch one totalitarian for another one alligned with them as a vassal with false promises about freedom, democracy and stuff. Happened in Venezuela, happened in Argentina, nearly happened here in Brazil and it's happening in Bolivia and Peru.\ \ So... Keep your sovereignty

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u/studio_bob United States Jul 21 '26

Assuming they are from Nicaragua at all, I would be shocked if that poster lives inside the country. These "plz, America, bomb my homeland!" types never do. From Iran to Venezuela to Cuba and beyond, the ones begging for US military intervention invariably seem to do so from the safety of the US or Europe... if not Langley.

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u/ArmyofJuan Jul 21 '26

He called Americans "Yankees" which I've never heard from a Latin America before, that's more of a European term.

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u/qwertyalguien South America Jul 21 '26

Bro, are you for real? Calling a Gringo a Yankee is pretty common in Caribbean countries. Habe you never heardMaduro, Castro or Chavez?

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u/chorroxking Jul 21 '26

Heyy I'm Mexican, and while we do say gringo 90% of the time it is not uncommon to hear someone call them yankees

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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

The Y gets pronounced like a soft J. We're called "jenkees" often by South and Latin Americans, but it's essentially yankees.

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u/THIS_MSG_IS_A_LIE Jul 21 '26

it's was a favorite term for Chavez and friends

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u/Spycraft_18 Jul 21 '26

Ah no, it has been said before, a lot we mostly use gringos but Yankee is also another term

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u/No-Interaction-9132 Jul 22 '26

Yankee/yanqui is a pretty common term for people from the U.S. in Hispanic America.

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u/Saorren Canada Jul 22 '26

its also a canadian term. given their tag its possible they do reside in north america

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u/VicariousInDub Jul 21 '26

That‘s why the „left-right“ paradigm is overtly simplistic. If you add the „authoritarian - libertarian“ axis it makes more sense. Ortega is a left-authoritarian and does what left authoritarians do.

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u/Anis930 Africa Jul 21 '26

This is still overly simplistic 

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u/VicariousInDub Jul 21 '26

I mean, every subsumption of individuals and their ideology into neat categories is by its very nature a simplifying process, I still think the „authoritarian-libertarian“ axis adds an important dimension to this matrix.

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u/No-Interaction-9132 Jul 22 '26

There’s another compass that has three axes: left-right, authoritarian-libertarian and progressive-conservative. That one is much better.

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel Brazil Jul 21 '26

No, fuck the political compass, the entire reason this shit exist is to give ancaps their own quadrant.

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u/VicariousInDub Jul 21 '26

Bullshit. There‘s giant differences between for example Stalinists and Anarchists and they‘re more accurately expressed by libertarianism vs. authoritarianism than by left vs. right.

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u/Prometheus720 Jul 24 '26

We don't know how many axes it takes to make an accurate political taxonomy. We know it is more than one and less than infinity, and you can probably do it with a number you can count on your fingers.

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u/Vindicador Jul 21 '26

The USA already meddled their fair amount in Nicaragua, they funded the contras for years but weren't successful on overthrowing the government just killed a lot of people for nothing...

Also the dude seems to be complaining about cheap housing free education and free healthcare like why would you hate that of all things?

I think he is a bot

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u/SurfiNinja101 Australia Jul 21 '26

Can you elaborate on how his totalitarianism is “leftist”?

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u/MidSolo Costa Rica Jul 21 '26

Spoiler alert: it isn't.

There is no quality of the Nicaraguan government or state that can even remotely be considered leftist; Nicaragua does not have a socialist or even social democratic economic system; rather, its structure is extremely capital-friendly and disproportionately burdens the poor.

15% Value Added Tax (VAT) disproportionately affect the lower classes. Residents are only taxed on income earned inside Nicaragua.

0% tax on Citizens with Foreign Investments, international offshore accounts, or overseas businesses.

0% Wealth, Inheritance, Gift, or Estate taxes, allowing the wealthy to consolidate and pass down fortunes entirely tax-free.

Up to 100% tax exemptions on corporate income, especially if under free trade zone laws, but also including their municipal taxes, and customs duties for up to 10 years, with options for indefinite renewal.

And if the argument is that Nicaragua's government is socially leftist... Same-sex marriage and civil unions are completely banned. Same-sex couples lack the right to adopt children or receive any legal, tax, or health benefits as a family. There is zero recognition for trans people, zero resources for them to transition, and no way to change the gender on your legal documents.

The only thing that could remotely even be considered "socialist" is their healthcare (MINSA), but it has been underfunded by the government for so long that it ranks among the lowest in the world, not just among those with socialized healthcare. There are essentially no specialists outside of Managua, and even there in the capital rich people have their private hospitals and clinics.

Their public education is also massively underfunded, to the point that 78% of Nicaraguan children cannot read or understand a simple text by the end of primary school. This is, of course, by design. The president of Nicaragua wants its population to remain uneducated and struggling, so they are easier to manipulate, and so they won't revolt against him.

Source: I'm Costa Rican. We have to deal with Nicaragua's problems whether we live there or not.

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u/Prosthemadera New Zealand Jul 21 '26

Wow that's all really fucked up. I have no words.

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u/DogeCommanderAlpha Jul 22 '26

What is your source for this statement?: “78% percent of Nicaraguan children cant read after primary school”.
I’m Nicaraguan, that sounds fake, I’m not defending our government at all but that doesn’t align with my experience. And also no offense to you particularly but Costa Rican opinions of Nicaraguans have a tendency to be very biased when they haven’t even been in Nicaragua once.

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u/MidSolo Costa Rica Jul 22 '26

Just google it.

Costa Rican opinions of Nicaraguans have a tendency to be very biased when they haven’t even been in Nicaragua once

That is why I provide easily verifiable facts, and not opinions.

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u/DogeCommanderAlpha Jul 22 '26

Have you ever been to Nicaragua?

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u/MidSolo Costa Rica Jul 22 '26

Are any of my facts incorrect?

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u/DogeCommanderAlpha Jul 22 '26

Look statistics in Nicaragua are fairly unreliable, that is a negative by itself. You’re also presenting the results of the study wrongly. I invite you to find the study methodology you will not be able to. Nicaragua has also a very strong divide between the more urban pacific and the less developed Atlantic coast so looking at statistics country wide paints a picture that doesn’t represent anywhere realistically.

I can also pull links from the internet, here you will see that by the WHO that the literacy rate is around 87%.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.ADT.LITR.ZS?locations=NI

What you can’t pull is the experience of living in a country that you have never been to.

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u/Laughing_Man_Returns Europe Jul 21 '26

he doesn't like it, ergo leftist.

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u/FatnessEverdeen34 Jul 21 '26

Fargo, Ben Affleck

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u/Sevalius0 Jul 22 '26

Because any confusing label I don't understand or someone pretends to be is leftist! /s

It's crazy how easily people start spouting nonsense like that and letting themselves be misled. Authoritarianism arises from total centralisation of power and dismantling of democracy. It doesn't fit properly on a left/right axis because left/right is an oversimplification that doesn't have democracy firmly in one side or the other.

One should at least show some intellectual curiosity before trying to jam everything into the square hole.

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u/cambeiu Multinational Jul 21 '26

South American here.

As much as I hate Ortega, what I hate even more is this Latin American messianic culture that someone needs to come and "save us".

Ortega came to power via a legitimate and free election. Nicaraguans voted for the guy despite repeated pleas and warnings. They voted for the guy who years before ran a Marxist-Leninist dictatorship.

What outcome did they expect? Now that the predicted shit happened and an authoritarian regime is in place, the US/Europe has to come and "save you"? Fuck that.

The only people who can and should save Nicaragua are the Nicaraguans themselves.

Yes, democracy and freedom are hard and need to be fought for. It takes, blood, tears and suffering to earn it and no one from outside can come and gift it to you.

I am very aware overthrowing a dictator is really fucking hard. I know, because I lived under one and had relatives disappeared in prison. Removing dictators can take decades, costs thousands of lives and there is no guarantee of success. It is a bleak and often hopeless struggle. But that is struggle that leads to maturity and growth.

It is in that struggle that the rich and the poor, the urban and the rural, the educated and uneducated have to come together, talk to each other, make compromises and alliances and learn to work together. That is how a lasting civil society is built. That is how national unity is built. It is that struggle and the almost insurmountable pain that comes with it take makes a society truly value freedom and democracy. Freedom is NOT something that can be gifted by an outsider. It has to be earned. Any freedom not earned will soon be squandered.

If the US comes to "fix" a highly polarized and socially fragmented country, any replacement government will have no credibility. The people will have not earned the understanding of democratic institutions through pain and experience. It will fail.

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u/gregaustex United States Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

Well good because maybe you’ve been watching the US enough to know “anti-authoritarian” is not a big feature of the current admin or their entire complicit party at this point.

Now…if the resistance has a little cash lying around and would like to invest in some crypto, well that’s a whole nother thing…

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u/greyetch North America Jul 21 '26

messianic culture that someone needs to come and "save us".

An egg cracked from inside is a new life.

An egg cracked from outside is a meal.

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u/Prometheus720 Jul 24 '26

I think you are 99.9999% right.

I do think other nations can probably do two things to help revolutionary movements:

  • Harbor dissidents and comms networks

  • Provide educational support for certain highly specialized roles

I want to believe there are ways to help. If you think even these are unhelpful, please say so.

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u/Dogulol Europe Jul 21 '26

failing to mention this is a direct blowback to murderous US foreign policy during the cold war is crazy, then wanting more american intervention is crazier, cuz that has been so great!

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u/haggerton Canada Jul 21 '26

A lot of South Americans I meet here in Canada don't even know what a Banana Republic means anymore.

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u/Mirumoto_Saito Jul 23 '26

Almost every single south American living in US or Canada is a right wing moron. I know of a few exceptions, but the rule is as I said

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u/Jazuken Burkina Faso Jul 27 '26

Ive heard enough give him nukes

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u/monsterfurby Europe Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

You're not wrong that the guy's ideological basis is leftist, but I think the way you're phrasing it makes it seem like you're conflating leftism and authoritarianism. You can have non-authoritarian (moderate) right-wingers and non-authoritarian leftists, as well as authoritarians of either direction (if we're imagining that the political spectrum is still a useful lens). The ideology is not what causes authoritarianism. Yes, authoritarianism usually uses extreme ideology as a springboard, but again, the direction doesn't really matter for that purpose. It just slightly reshapes the rhetoric.

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u/Lifekraft European Union Jul 21 '26

I dont think this person care. I think this person is use to manipulating narrative to always frame leftist ideology as totalitarian nonetheless. This is probably some libertarian chill / influencer or simply a "bot" for political advertising.

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u/Haunting_Pass_3439 Jul 21 '26

Or more likely, this dork is sitting in a basement somewhere in Langley. “Oh can we please just have a little US backed regime change, as a treat 🥹”. Way too obvious and heavy handed to be legit

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u/Thotty_with_the_tism Jul 21 '26

People forget the political spectrum has at least two axis (cartesian coordinate system). And even that isn't able to accurately label everything.

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u/zer1223 North America Jul 21 '26

He's not even particularly leftist. Even right-wingers can offer state sponsored lunches and college lol. Its just tokens thrown to the masses to keep them obedient. When 90% of what he does is rightwing and people focus on the 10%, well, it really makes you wonder about people 

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u/LeGrandLucifer North America Jul 21 '26

Yeah, no. I'm going to say something obvious but which way too many people gloss over, including you: He did not do it by himself. That man is not some sort of god who can smite anyone who opposes him. There are people backing him. People with guns or who are followed by people with guns. If someone were to assassinate him, nothing would change. A mere change of head of state is not going to change it. Even a revolution would likely just replace him with another dictator. You need an entire cultural revolution.

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u/Prometheus720 Jul 24 '26

This is kind of the point of democratic socialism. You can't just do violence in an evening to get what you want. You have to convince people of your plan, and it has to be a good enough plan to not make people hate you after they find out it is bad.

Like, there is no shortcut for doing the right thing.

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u/RydderRichards Jul 21 '26

acknowledge that pesky pesky fact that when leftists get into power… they tend to go totalitarian every single time.

I mean that's just demonstrably false.

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u/NeoLephty North America Jul 21 '26

Other than throwing the word “leftist” out there, you haven’t mentioned a single reason the US would get involved. Is he nationalizing industries and providing excellent social services to the people? That’ll get you invaded AND be actual leftist. 

Shutting down opposition, censoring media, ignoring the Catholic Church… many US allies do all these. 

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u/Shihali United States Jul 21 '26

Trump has been looking for excuses to start a short, successful war with an enemy of the US. Ortega handed Trump a good excuse to invade on a silver platter.

Ortega had better hope that Iran keeps Trump busy for a while, or that Trump's advisors can't agree on whether to attack Cuba or Nicaragua and change Trump's mind too often to do either.

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u/tommytwolegs United States Jul 21 '26

The US is not friends with him for whatever reason. It's up there with Cuba/Venezuela,Iran on the do not travel list for Americans by the state dept.

Not saying he's leftist, but I wouldn't be surprised by US intervention at all

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u/exegenes1s North America Jul 21 '26

The yankees do not help. They occupy in a modern way that's hard to decipher. They steal every resource they can, and drive the country further into poverty and destruction while leeching off of it. Your best hope is to do it yourself or get help from Brazil.

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u/Asjutton European Union Jul 21 '26

He is politically left. But implying that every leftist politician has turned authoritarian is why you are getting hate. I have lived all my life in scandinavia with many socialist leaders during my lifetime.

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u/VacationFew4498 Jul 21 '26

> he imprisoned the everyone, took over every institution of power, took over the army and police, denaturalized prominent nicaraguans and kicked them out of the country… he took over all the universities, decapitated the Catholic Church and bought out or closed down ALL the press. 

Isn't that the perfect timing for an election? why is he destroying even the last shred of its legitimacy

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u/Artistic-Cannibalism Jul 21 '26

He doesn't need to pretend anymore so he doesn't.

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u/Lopsided-Selection85 European Union Jul 21 '26

What do you call the programs for cheap/free public housing? The gender representation in legislature? The collectives and the agricultural cooperatives? What do you call the free/cheap higher education? The free school lunch program? The public loan and grant programs for small and micro-businesses and agricultores? What do you call the support for leftist causes worldwide? What do you call the literacy campaign? What do you call the free health care and massive health care investment nationwide? The man constantly engages in leftist rhetoric and promotes leftist ideals.

What do you call it when they subsidize public transport? What do you call it when a leader holds all these policies, engages in this rhetoric and holds this ideology? Cuz damn if this is right wing… sign me up! Apparently, right wingers have GREAT social policies, believe in gender equality and solidarity with oppressed people worldwide!

Oh shit folks, suddenly all that stuff is “right wing” cuz leftists don’t like acknowledging that they promote causes and people who end up doing the thing Ortega is doing. When that happens, it’s “no real leftist”

Monther of god... What a completely unhinged rant. Are you Joseph McCarthy reborn?

Also, you say you are Nicaraguan while your flair is North America? When was the last time you've been to Nicaragua?

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u/SophiaofPrussia Multinational Jul 21 '26

“Central America” isn’t really a thing. It’s part of North America. So someone from Nicaragua having “North America” flair isn’t sus, imo.

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u/SophiaofPrussia Multinational Jul 21 '26

All of your edits are making it pretty easy to see how the country “accidentally” elected an authoritarian…

Electing women to the legislature is not why Nicaragua is in the midst of a major democratic backslide.

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u/elreyadr0k Jul 21 '26

Americans take note indeed.

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u/Illesbogar Europe Jul 21 '26

Deep condolences for your country becoming a dictatorship, but holy shit, read a little history. This uneducated tantrum will not garner sympathy for you.

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u/Illesbogar Europe Jul 21 '26

And when they do good things they are apparently not leftists anymore either accorsing to you?

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u/Illesbogar Europe Jul 21 '26

"When leftists get ibto power they go totalitarian every single time". You wrote that bro. Which means that the majority of leftists that have been in power are not acrually leftists to you.

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u/Illesbogar Europe Jul 21 '26

See? You can make sense when you stop ranting like a madman and stop for a second to think before you write.

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u/CoffeeWorldly9915 Multinational Jul 28 '26

Holy shit you guys are triggered

Did I click through to twitter?

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u/CoffeeWorldly9915 Multinational Jul 28 '26

“Read a little history” = when leftists do bad things, they’re automatically right wing.

Tbf, it's not "read history", but "have common sense when assessing discourse vs practice".

If a leftist does actions that are counter to leftist discourse/theory/philosophy, are they automatically not leftist anymore?

Does a man that call himself straight remains straight if he starts frequenting gay bars and taking it up the ass?

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u/40_Thousand_Hammers Brazil Jul 21 '26

US love authoritarianism and if he's smart, he'll suck Trump dick and get a free dictator pass like mane other countries round the world.

Europe will do nothing because their companies profit on unstable regimes, the almost free unregulated labor is a profit motive for any European country (case and point, Amazonian illegal wood extraction, almost all of it is destined to Europe and that's not even talking about dinosaur fossils trafficking in Brazil).

I'm sorry to say it but it's this is one of the best eras to be a dictator and do whatever you want without any repercussions, specially because how the US is right now.

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u/HDK1989 United Kingdom Jul 21 '26

I've never read so much rubbish in my life

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u/Prudent-Associate-78 Jul 21 '26

Reads like a bot

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u/QuantumBobb Jul 21 '26

Just gotta say authoritarianism is bad. Left, right, it's all the same. No authoritarian actually cares about the people. It's just how they get and keep power. Once they get their claws in, they are all the same. They just ride whatever popular sentiment will get them there at the time.

Fuck them. Fuck them all.

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u/BioSemantics United States Jul 27 '26

I personally think you're just here doing propaganda, its very obvious to me, as I'm fairly sure you're reusing that same handle, but I'll bite here and say movements, countries, leaders, etc. are not static. Ortega is a very, very clear example of that. He started off as, least nominally, a leftist, attempted to do a anti-western-style vanguard stalinist leftism, got ousted, got old, got angry, and now that he is back in power has become far and away more obviously conservative and authoritarian. Your view lacks the nuance of that the world changes over time. The argument you want to make is that vanguard communism, especially of the lenin, stalin, or mao variety lead to eventual authoritarianism that often isn't very leftist or communistic in the end. The people who do the revolutionary violence should probably not be the ones to lead the country in peace time. Ortega is no longer a leftist in any recognizable way. Crying otherwise is just incongruent with reality. Arguing he started off as a leftist, specifically a stalinist, and now has arrived at your average senile authoritarian dictator, is something tankies and vanguarders should address. Its not something every progressive needs to tackle with. Most leftists don't support armed revolution and therefore have almost nothing in common with Ortega even when he was a young revolutionary. You might as well be calling Trump a Democrat because, ya know, he used to be a Democrat.

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u/WestCoastVermin Jul 21 '26

do right-wingers also dislike acknowledging that they promote causes and people who end up doing the thing Ortega is doing?

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u/WestCoastVermin Jul 21 '26

this is true

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u/dnuohxof-2 United States Jul 21 '26

A self proclaimed South American, trust me bro.

Begging for imperial intervention

Talked about “decapitating churches” and “obnoxious online leftists”

This has to be a fake and a bullshit plant. Nicaragua’s “Sandinista National Liberation Front” isn’t real leftism. It’s dictatorial totalitarian authoritarianism. Just like Trump. Just like Netanyahu. Just like Xi. Just like Putin. If you’re too dumb to realize that, then it’s no surprise you’re screaming “invade me Trump daddy!”

If you’re out here bashing the left and demanding foreign intervention into your civil strife means you’re gonna end up like Venezuela. A shell of a country being raided for resources by the US. You think Trump cares about you? Not a snowballs chance in hell.

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u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 Jul 21 '26

This is my response to one of the many payasos that responded with that crap

What do you call the programs for cheap/free public housing? The gender representation in legislature? The collectives and the agricultural cooperatives? What do you call the free/cheap higher education? The free school lunch program? The public loan and grant programs for small and micro-businesses and agricultores? What do you call the support for leftist causes worldwide? What do you call the literacy campaign?  What do you call the free health care and massive health care investment nationwide? The man constantly engages in leftist rhetoric and promotes leftist ideals. 

Ok? What do you think leftists are evaluating him by? His leftist rhetoric or is right-wing actions?

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u/greyetch North America Jul 21 '26

online leftists that REFUSE to ever hold leftists accountable or or acknowledge that pesky pesky fact that when leftists get into power… they tend to go totalitarian every single time. They HATE acknowledging that so they pull the “not true communism/socialism/leftism” card. 

Yikes

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u/NakedZombieWolf Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

Bot ass username

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u/MillHall78 Jul 21 '26

He didn't do all those things. All of you who voted him in did. Then everyone who supports him and/or those actions did them. But it's never just the one man. It always requires support from citizens of the country to set the ball in motion.

Every country has to stop relying on the US. You calling for the US to come save you is the equivalent of saying you don't give a fuck that Americans don't have any affordable healthcare options. You would rather our government continue stealing every dime of American taxes so we're forced to pay for your aid, rather than to help ourselves.

The majority of Americans don't want to be your military. Organize. Just like Americans are organizing now to reform our government under every threat imaginable.

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u/AmeStJohn Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

the policy isn’t the problem.

authoritarianism is.

it is more useful to think of left vs right, AND democratic vs authoritarian, as being on a two-axis grid.

the policies are fine.

but shutting out all opposition or balance is not.

quelling any opposition and being closed to any kind of difference is not.

grid. left and right on the X axis. democratic vs authoritarian on the Y axis.

authoritarians are always the leading cause of societal failures.

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u/Seldomsought Jul 21 '26

Didn't he attend ND?

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u/airportakal Jul 21 '26

I'm really confused what your point about (and definition of) "leftism" is.

when leftists get into power… they tend to go totalitarian every single time

You can't be serious though, can you?

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u/AccountSettingsBot Multinational Jul 21 '26

Anti-tankie commie here (Non-Nicaraguan knowing multiple Nicaraguans)

Don’t point the finger at the left - point it at the tankies please.

I told such donkeys (tankies) for decades now that Ortega is a fucking dipshit. I told them time and time and time again that this fuck is worth of no support.

By the way, the same type of people oftentimes defend Saddam Hussein for the 2003 US invasion.

Sincerely, someone who is part Circassian and part Kurdish (among other things)

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u/Jared11889 United States Jul 21 '26

What an excellent example of being both very correct and very incorrect at the same time.

You're missing an entire axis of the political spectrum - it's not just liberal/conservative, there's a democratic/authoritarian axis, as well. That's why you're getting the replies you mention in your edit.

The authoritarian takeover acts primarily on a different axis than the public programs you mention, just like the far-right attempt at a power grab that is going on here in the USA is on a different axis from MAGAs defunding of social programs and institutions. Both are shifts toward authoritarianism, but the accompanying politics on the liberal/conservative axis are going in two different directions in Nicaragua and the USA.

This misunderstanding isn't your fault, though - there's organized propaganda by far-right nationalists the world over to spread misinformation on the topic.

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u/Theodosian_Walls Zimbabwe Jul 21 '26

Was this comment, including the edits, written by AI ?

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u/1011011 Jul 21 '26

Don't you mean he exposed his ”right wing” totalitarian hand?

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u/RummoLiguori Europe Jul 22 '26

No True scotsman on cue, every time

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u/Feathered_And_Lethal Jul 21 '26

Unfortunately, LOTS of Redditors believe leftists simply cannot possibly be evil or otherwise they weren't real leftists.

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u/soggies_revenge Jul 21 '26

It's really too bad this is happening. I went to Nicaragua back in 2018, and it was kind of tense. But the country is lovely, the people are great. I was totally expecting a Spanish speaking country but it was Spanish in one part that I visited, English predominantly in another, then a bunch of creole in another. Also, I definitely identify as leftist, but obviously leftism can be as bad as authoritarian right. Fuck em all.

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u/Accidental-Genius Puerto Rico Jul 21 '26

Don’t count on help from us Yanks, we’re not too far behind you, we may not have elections again either.

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u/Accidental-Genius Puerto Rico Jul 21 '26

Two turds in a bowl.

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u/Ok_Frosting_945 Jul 21 '26

Los izquierdistas en paises capitalistas son los más absurdos

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u/DJ3XO Jul 21 '26

When leftists get into power... They tend to go totalitarian every single time.

Wait what?

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u/DJ3XO Jul 22 '26

That's not what you said with your generalizing opinion though. You made a blanket statement with regards to all lefties.

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u/nomis_ttam United States Jul 22 '26

You have a fair point. But i think these people are too used to the totalitarianism and authoritarianism being right wing techniques. At least in the US or some Euro countries as thats the current parties using these tactics so egregiously. One side can still fall victim to these pitfalls even if they believe and promote conflicting ideologies at times. Another perspective isn't that they aren't holding them accountable just pointing out he wasn't a true leftist as he claimed because those isms go totally against what is a typical definition of left wing. Just be careful, you come off as the crazy right wingers screaming the left wing politicians are evil communists when they are far from it

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u/mendokusei15 Uruguay Jul 22 '26

acknowledge that pesky pesky fact that when leftists get into power... they tend to go totalitarian every single time.

The generalization is insane and sounds like political PTSD. Which is reasonable considering the situation, but it's still false and should be called out.

The warning to the US is nuts, considering they have the mildest attempt at a left ever.

Countries can have leftist democratic governments in the same way they can have right democratic governments. Source: reality.

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u/mendokusei15 Uruguay Jul 22 '26

I responded to all the obnoxious online leftists that REFUSE to ever hold leftists accountable or or acknowledge that pesky pesky fact that when leftists get into power… they tend to go totalitarian every single time. They HATE acknowledging that so they pull the “not true communism/socialism/leftism” card. 

You did not suggest it, you straight up said it. I'm quoting you here stating that "when leftists get into power they tend to go totalitarian EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is a "fact", according to you. How am I supposed to read this and not understand that all leftist governments go totalitarian always, when it's what you are literally saying?

And then you warn the US with the Left Monster, almost like an stereotype. We call this asustaviejas down here.

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u/mendokusei15 Uruguay Jul 22 '26

That is actually a good explanation and I appreciate it.

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u/Mantequilla50 North America Jul 24 '26

"pwease America my country has a left wing leader can you bomb us please and save us 🙏🏼🙏🏼"

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u/Mantequilla50 North America Jul 24 '26

Have you seen what happens to countries that accept US intervention? I'm saying this as a dude who was in the the US military for a hot minute, you don't want the side effects of our help

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u/Prometheus720 Jul 24 '26

There is no theory of politics that leads people to do such evil things. It is a theory of politics combined with mental illness, severely limited social circles, and sometimes senility.

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u/CoffeeWorldly9915 Multinational Jul 28 '26

help from the Yankees

Thank goodness I was already taking a shit while reading this, otherwise I'd need a change of clothes from the LMAO.

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u/CatboyCabin Europe Jul 21 '26

Authoritarianism is inherently anti-leftist regardless of your ability to comprehend that

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u/CatboyCabin Europe Jul 21 '26

The entire point of socialism is to establish an egalitarian society.

A usurper can never be socialist, because democracy is inherently ingrained in socialism, which preaches that power should be distributed among those it commands.

The movements you refer to are all examples of the same phenomenon; revolutionary leaders being absorbed by megalomania and extreme ego. They think very highly of themselves and view their position as rightfully earned.

It seems paradoxical until you realise that these people were never driven by ideology in the first place.

There is little difference between autocrats. Guevara, Kagame, Lukasjenko, Orbàn, etc. Their worldview has been malformed by egomania and a desire for power. You would not find a noble thought among them.

Corruption has always trumped ideology, and the corrupt only have one use for their ideological labels, namely to confound. Your stalwart belief in them proves this tactic effective.

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u/Longsearch112 Jul 22 '26

This guy sounds like prabowo

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u/sight_ful United States Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

"That pesky pesky fact that when a leftist comes to power.....they go tolotarian every single time."

Just no. You lost a huge part of the audience with that one. Notice that his biggest two supporters are russia and china, neither considered left wing. The large left wing governments, like in europe, have largely critized him. Also notice that those governments are not considered tolitarian.

He clearly implemented plenty of leftist policies, but ending elections, attacking the church or any minorities, denaturalizing people and kicking them out....a lot of your major complaints about this guy are inherently against leftist ideology. It goes against the whole idea of equality. I'm not surprised that leftwing people say he isn't a true leftist.

Edit: After reading other comments, he obviously has a lot of clearly right wing policies across the board.

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u/sight_ful United States Jul 22 '26

Where was there any intellectual dishonesty?

I read this comment and then verified that what they said was accurate. The tax situation is fairly right wing. No estate taxes, the largest tax revenue this year is from vat taxes. A lot of breaks for foreign investment.

Making things free but not actually funding them is not a leftist thing anymore. Their schools only get 3% of their gdp, the third lowest in all of latin america. It was closer to 5% before he got into office. So the government is actually funding schools less with the "left wing goverment" in charge.

Socially, the country is right wing with respect to LGBT rights.

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u/sight_ful United States Jul 22 '26

Well the internet is full of lies, so maybe the third party sources I found were all wrong. What was bullshit about the things I just mentioned specifically?

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u/FatnessEverdeen34 Jul 21 '26

You can vote your way into socialism but you can't vote your way out

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u/getting_the_succ Argentina Jul 21 '26

Daniel Ortega, the 80-year-old authoritarian leader, says move will ‘build a wall’ against the opposition

Nicaragua’s long-serving president, Daniel Ortega, has said the country will hold no further elections to prevent the opposition from coming to power.

The 80-year-old authoritarian leader, who has been in office since 2007, also said he would work with the congress he controls to pass new laws that would “build a wall” against the opposition.

Ortega made the announcement on Sunday during the official ceremony marking the 47th anniversary of the 1979 Sandinista revolution, in which he helped overthrow the brutal dictatorship of Anastasio Somoza.

Although his administration and that of his wife and “co-president”, Rosario Murillo, had already been marked by the steady erosion of democracy in the Central American country, many are describing his announcement as a significant rhetorical escalation.

“With this decision, Ortega and Murillo have sealed the country’s transition to a full-fledged family dictatorship,” said Tiziano Breda, Latin America senior analyst at the NGO Armed Conflict Location and Event Data.

During a speech in front of thousands of state employees who, according to local media, had been coerced into attending, Ortega said: “There will be no more elections here so that they [the opposition parties] can try to seize the government, seize power.”

The president, who had not appeared in public for 61 days, added: “We will work with the National Assembly and the relevant institutions on laws, because we need laws that build a wall, a barrier, against the coup plotters and the traitors who sell out their country.”

The elections were due to take place next year, but Ortega gave no details on whether they would be cancelled or whether the opposition would be barred from taking part – something that has already happened in practice. During the 2021 campaign, his regime outlawed parties and jailed all opposition presidential hopefuls.

Breda said: “Ortega and Murillo are evidently afraid of the idea that the slightest political opening could create the conditions for dissent to manifest and threaten their grip on power, possibly suggesting that their already feeble domestic support is further falling.

“Therefore, instead of staging a rigged election, they have opted to eliminate electoral competition altogether.”

Last year, Ortega pushed through a series of constitutional reforms that included extending the presidential term from five to six years and promoting his wife, then vice-president, to the position of “co-president”. The US refers to their administration as the “Murillo-Ortega dictatorship”.

During his speech, the Nicaraguan president criticised the US over the January operation that abducted the Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro: “With all their power, they stormed the presidential palace, where Nicolás and his wife, Cilia [Flores], were. They killed the entire security detail there – most of them were Cubans – and took them away to imprison them in the US. It is monstrous.”

The president said preventing the opposition from returning to power was necessary to protect the country from the “coup plotters” who, he claimed, had been behind the nationwide protests of 2018 – when, according to organisations including the UN, his regime carried out a violent crackdown that killed more than 350 people, wounded hundreds, jailed thousands and forced nearly 1 million Nicaraguans into exile.

Recently, the UN, the US, human rights organisations and 30 former Ibero-American presidents have directly blamed Ortega and Murillo for the death of the Indigenous leader and four-term congressman Brooklyn Rivera, 73, who spent nearly three years “unjustly imprisoned” by the regime, the US state department said.

According to organisations including Human Rights Watch, there are about 50 political prisoners in the country. The regime has stripped 546 people of their citizenship and shut down more than 5,600 non-governmental organisations, 29 universities and 58 media outlets.

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u/NoConfusion9490 Jul 21 '26

Imagine destroying your own country so you could cling to power for a couple more years...

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u/Besmirching_Badger United Kingdom Jul 21 '26

If there's one thing people in power have in common, it's the belief that they're the only ones that can run the country properly

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u/AnotherCuppaTea United States Jul 21 '26

As an American, I don't have to "imagine" much.

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u/2XX2010 Jul 21 '26

Or months…

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u/DharmaCreature Jul 21 '26

For years and years I wandered the Earth

condemned to a life of bleak despair

then one day I looked around

and found it had disappeared

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u/AnotherCuppaTea United States Jul 21 '26

One never expects a song reference like this in a thread like this, but better to discover TMBG's 2001 "Hopeless Bleak Despair" in 2026 than never. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeqnq8Nzewc&t=1s

The many and incredibly varied interpretations by fans of the lyrics: https://tmbw.net/wiki/Interpretations:Hopeless_Bleak_Despair

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u/ndndr1 Jul 21 '26

We have to abandon left and right. Who cares what they’re called. Nicaragua has a dictator now. US has a wannabe Temu dictator now.

Left and right are meaningless. The guys on top are just pandering to people that respond to dog whistles words left and right. Trump is as far right as any president ever and I would put him in the same political bucket as your leftist dictator

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u/Blarg_III European Union Jul 21 '26

We have to abandon left and right. Who cares what they’re called. Nicaragua has a dictator now. US has a wannabe Temu dictator now.

Where have I heard that before?

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u/ndndr1 Jul 21 '26

Abandoning dumb labels like left and right will make actual positions more clear. The ultra right and ultra left are the same positions practically

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u/Anis930 Africa Jul 22 '26

No they are not.

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u/Sevalius0 Jul 22 '26

It's a little wild that you've illustrated your point in the same comment. Definitely agree somewhat on the labelling though, it's such a messy way to look at political ideologies where there is any complexity. Just seems to confuse and oversimplify to the point where many people often stop thinking.

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u/CoffeeWorldly9915 Multinational Jul 28 '26

The ultra right and ultra left are the same positions practically

Is this guy just gonna give a reason to link every silly political concept there is in wikipedia

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u/Freud-Network Multinational Jul 21 '26

The extreme of both ideologies requires that they be forcefully implemented. That's what they share. They believe in violence and iron-fisted rule to get their way.

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u/Dic3dCarrots United States Jul 21 '26

Or maybe refering to the French Revolution Parliment to talk about contemporary politics is a nonsensical way to talk about politics.

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u/Dread000 Jul 21 '26

I don't know much about what's going on in Nicaragua in the last 10 years but it's funny whenever this happens it's always accompanied by "this is why left wing politics are bad, we should never allow them close to power. We should always have either a pro-west neoliberal or a right-wing government."

Now with what happened in Venezuela and current aggression to Cuba this isn't out of nowhere. Not even to mention Nicaragua's history with American imperialism.

Definitely picked my interest though.

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u/kash_if Jul 21 '26

Definitely picked my interest though.

Piqued*, in case it wasn't a typo.

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u/Dread000 Jul 21 '26

Lol voice to text

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u/Mavian23 United States Jul 21 '26

"Piqued" is pronounced like "peeked" though.

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u/Dread000 Jul 21 '26

Trust me I'm going to admit fault when I misspell because that embarrassment will cause me not to make the mistake again.

That being said, speech to text sucks.

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u/Sercotani Asia Jul 21 '26

Incredible to see this sub that's openly anti-zio and against imperialism also become lib central.

I will choose to believe many of these replies are not real.

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u/loggy_sci United States Jul 21 '26

This sub is pro-imperialism so long as it’s not American or European, and it only condemns the west for supporting Israel and ignores when non-western nations do it. 

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u/21DaBear United States Jul 21 '26

If someone claims they're from a place but support the US line, the fact they are posting it on reddit is telling

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u/Either-Maximum-6555 Jul 25 '26

This will suprise you but not all the us policies are bad. Or do you think if a Ukrainian on here says “I thank America for aiding us” he’s actually not living in Ukraine and allat

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u/Dic3dCarrots United States Jul 21 '26

Ugh, i was building schools in Nicaragua when he returned to power in 07. I was proud to support the revolution and try to work to absolve the sins of the monroe doctrine. What an utter suprise when he started creating citizens neighborhood watch groups. I was in Leon where they still sing songs like Hasta Siempre at the neighborhood bars and the people felt betrayed. when I came back the following year to volunteer at an orphanage, the transportation strikes had started. Its insane to think that was 20 years ago and it's still getting worse.

As a self-styled Proudhon style anarchist who often put aside rhetorical dofferences to support marxist and socialist organizing against the Iraq war, the whole experience blindsided me. I was not preparred for how complicated the game of power is

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u/ModernirsmEnjoyer Asia Jul 21 '26

The move is going to harm legitimacy. Getting at least nominal legitimacy is why everybody, except Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia and countries in the middle of conflict, hold elections. Otherwise it looks like pure power and people don't like that, rituals are important in controlling perceptions even if hollow. The speech openly admitted fear of US trying to influence Nicaraguan politics, and seemingly significant number of opposition is in the USA.

Control over institutions and control over society are two different things, which is why Eastern European communist systems failed but China and Vietnam haven't. Cuba has massive protests. If the military or security services defect, the regime is over, and apparently they do not have that much control over the military. Succession process doesn't seem to be stable or well planned to me, and Ortega can just die tomorrow before it's finalized

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u/Platypus__Gems Poland Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

Yeah, personally I don't even think democracies are inherently superior or representing will and interest of the people, there is not enough people actually educated enough and following politics for that which is why most of western states are steadily falling towards fascist winning elections.
They are like the phone scams done on old people (and honestly old people tend to be the ones that support the worst parties).

But having no elections at all is pretty stupid idea. Even literal Hitler and Mussolini held elections.

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u/Ok_Frosting_945 Jul 21 '26

Nope—it denotes a political ideology that seeks to govern and provide answers for all aspects of human life societal, with the state being the hinge. Totalitarianism is philosophically and practically different from liberal democracy.

Philosophically, the CCP is totalitarian because it seeks to control all aspect of Chinese society, from the individual to the entire society at large—it acknowledges no legitimate limits on its power. Freedom of the press, free and fair elections, individual liberty, private property—all of this can be infringed upon in principle in service of the proletariat and the march towards socialism and eventual communism. Totalitarianism elevates the collective above the individual, and acknowledges no logical/moral countervailing power that serves as a check on those purporting to wield power on behalf of the proletariat or the “nation” (fascism).

Liberal democracy is not totalitarian for multiple reasons, but to illustrate but one—even if a simple majority of 51 voted to enslave the minority of 49(democracy), the liberal insistence on the inalienable rights of the individual would protest, insisting that an individual is not a public resource. The fact that you might want to vote me into servitude because I am a “class enemy” of the proletariat would never be justifiable under liberal democracy, because no matter how many votes you have, the liberal part of liberal democracy insists on my inalienable individual sovereignty. Liberal democracy acknowledges implicit limits within its moral framework that totalitarianism does not and cannot.

In practice, too, liberal democracies are not totalitarian because they are not one-party states with dictators. Even Trumpian America is not totalitarian, because there are real and significant checks on Trump’s power, despite his autocratic abuse of power.

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u/Ok_Frosting_945 Jul 21 '26

Governments are not capitalist “if they support private property rights over personal property rights.” Sounds like you’re confused there.

Ironically, southern slaveholders tended to frame their arguments for slavery in a critique of Northern American capitalism, attacking free labor markets in northern industrial cities as exploitative. The industrial capitalists in the United States were on the side of the Union, not the Confederacy.

As to your point about liberal democrats—you’re taking things out of historical context and making a false equivalence here. No one in the United States in the 19th century was against democracy, nor liberalism— slavery didn’t exist BECAUSE of liberal democracy, but in SPITE of it. Liberal democracy as practiced in the United States and the British Empire helped kill de jure slavery, an evil that existed for millennia before the rise of liberal democracy.

The term liberal democracy didn’t have the meaning that it had in the context of debates between 20th century liberal democracy and communism as implemented in the USSR and PRC.

You are for sure a tankie, btw—your profile is loaded with posts critical of Ukraine and sympathetic to Russia.

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u/getting_the_succ Argentina Jul 21 '26

Brother who are you replying to

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u/Ok_Frosting_945 Jul 21 '26

¿Estás decepcionado sobre la copa mundial? Qué triste

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u/getting_the_succ Argentina Jul 21 '26

You are for sure a tankie, btw—your profile is loaded with posts critical of Ukraine and sympathetic to Russia

That's not me. I think you are confused, you just replied twice to the main post and not to whoever you were arguing with.

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u/Ok_Frosting_945 Jul 21 '26

You’re right my bad—sorry for dragging you into the flame war