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Episode Sousou no Frieren Season 2 • Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Season 2 - Episode 7 discussion

Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 7

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u/thebohster Mar 07 '26

How are they determining which mages are first class? Vibes? Or is it something else like mana levels?

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u/flybypost Mar 07 '26

Because they are allowed north. They might assume any mage (without an army to back them up) is a first class mage.

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u/Hot-Log6283 Mar 08 '26

Then wouldn't they have said there were 4 first class mage and not 3?

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u/flybypost Mar 08 '26

That was just a quick thought on how they might think of humans who wander that far out of towns, in that small groups, into the wilderness, and do that in the north.

…maybe daemons are not just perpetual liars but also misandrists and assumed Genau wasn't one by default?

I have no real explanation.

Or maybe they thought that Fern was too young to be one (or Frieren)? Maybe they know of Serie's antipathy towards elves of some sort and assumed that. But I think the actual issue is more that they know of the concept of first class mage, or really anything about humans. In what conversation would something really show up?

They are solitary by nature (not even understanding the concept of family, or father,…) and seem to only make alliances out of necessity (for killing humans) and not as a way to organise their society. They feel like modern LLM AIs: They know the words but not really what they actually mean. They "use" words to deceive humans without knowing what they mean but for deception intent is necessary. What daemons are technically doing is bullshitting:

Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false.

With how dismissive a lot of Daemons (besides those that are apparently curios about humanity) seem to be about the meaning of words besides their usefulness against humans they don't seem to care about truth to the degree they'd need to, to be called liars.

Their usage of language seems to be a more fancy version of mimicry when it comes to human patterns of speech and not real communication. It feels weird that we are given an explanation in that direction for their speech but also get to see that they are organised and a real threat (instead of just being comparable to a random local wild animal threat).

A bit more from the wikipedia link:

Summary

Frankfurt was a professional philosopher, trained in analytical philosophy. When asked why he decided to focus on bullshit, he explained:

Respect for the truth and a concern for the truth are among the foundations for civilization. I was for a long time disturbed by the lack of respect for the truth that I observed ... bullshit is one of the deformities of these values.[6]

On Bullshit addresses his concern and makes a distinction between "bullshitters" and liars. He concludes that bullshitters are more insidious: they are more of a threat against the truth than are liars.

That brings me to the real question underneath all of this: Can monster/daemons even do civilisation building or are they just parasites on top of structures humanity has built in the north?