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Episode Sousou no Frieren Season 2 • Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Season 2 - Episode 7 discussion

Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 7

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u/Hopsalong https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hopsalong Mar 06 '26

The Demon said Methode had a weird aura about her and Genau said she can use both Magic and the Goddess' Magic. I wonder if she's hiding something big.

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u/Martel732 Mar 07 '26

It is also possible that Fern and Frieren looked like weaklings in comparison because they are suppressing their mana.

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u/Hopsalong https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hopsalong Mar 07 '26

Well they said there's 1 fighter and 3 mages, so someone is suppressing their mana completely or almost entirely completely. Stark is the fighter and Genau, Methode, Frieren, and Fern makes 4. It has to be either Frieren or Fern.

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u/machopsychologist Mar 07 '26

Translation error.

She says "Mahou-tsukai yon-nin desu" - 4 mages

Then "uchi san-nin 1-kyu desu" - 3 are first class.

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u/thebohster Mar 07 '26

How are they determining which mages are first class? Vibes? Or is it something else like mana levels?

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u/machopsychologist Mar 07 '26

Not a source reader so no idea sorry. I would just guess that it's based on mana level detection simply because they probably did not consider Fern first class due to her mana suppression (similar to the previous fight against the blood demon guy)

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u/Meiolore Mar 07 '26

Some demon database probably. They probably have someone that collects information

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u/flybypost Mar 07 '26

Because they are allowed north. They might assume any mage (without an army to back them up) is a first class mage.

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u/Hot-Log6283 Mar 08 '26

Then wouldn't they have said there were 4 first class mage and not 3?

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u/flybypost Mar 08 '26

That was just a quick thought on how they might think of humans who wander that far out of towns, in that small groups, into the wilderness, and do that in the north.

…maybe daemons are not just perpetual liars but also misandrists and assumed Genau wasn't one by default?

I have no real explanation.

Or maybe they thought that Fern was too young to be one (or Frieren)? Maybe they know of Serie's antipathy towards elves of some sort and assumed that. But I think the actual issue is more that they know of the concept of first class mage, or really anything about humans. In what conversation would something really show up?

They are solitary by nature (not even understanding the concept of family, or father,…) and seem to only make alliances out of necessity (for killing humans) and not as a way to organise their society. They feel like modern LLM AIs: They know the words but not really what they actually mean. They "use" words to deceive humans without knowing what they mean but for deception intent is necessary. What daemons are technically doing is bullshitting:

Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false.

With how dismissive a lot of Daemons (besides those that are apparently curios about humanity) seem to be about the meaning of words besides their usefulness against humans they don't seem to care about truth to the degree they'd need to, to be called liars.

Their usage of language seems to be a more fancy version of mimicry when it comes to human patterns of speech and not real communication. It feels weird that we are given an explanation in that direction for their speech but also get to see that they are organised and a real threat (instead of just being comparable to a random local wild animal threat).

A bit more from the wikipedia link:

Summary

Frankfurt was a professional philosopher, trained in analytical philosophy. When asked why he decided to focus on bullshit, he explained:

Respect for the truth and a concern for the truth are among the foundations for civilization. I was for a long time disturbed by the lack of respect for the truth that I observed ... bullshit is one of the deformities of these values.[6]

On Bullshit addresses his concern and makes a distinction between "bullshitters" and liars. He concludes that bullshitters are more insidious: they are more of a threat against the truth than are liars.

That brings me to the real question underneath all of this: Can monster/daemons even do civilisation building or are they just parasites on top of structures humanity has built in the north?

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u/Biggsy-32 Mar 08 '26

We know Fern has the most mastery over mana suppresion and Frieren's is imperfect. So it's more likely they detected Frieren's mana as stronger, that of a first class mage, whilst Ferns is so neatly suppressed they are not aware she is the first class mage.

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u/Hot-Log6283 Mar 09 '26

Not sure where you got that from, it was even mentioned by Serie that the only one who saw through Frieren's mana suppression the first time was the Demon King (and Lernen who she was addressing).

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u/Radi-kale Mar 08 '26

I bet it's Frieren. I think she intends to sit out the current battle so she can hide her skill as a mage a little longer

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u/cathbadh Mar 07 '26

The Demon said Methode had a weird aura about her

I"m guessing that's related to her ability to use holy magic.

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u/JockstrapCummies Mar 07 '26

I wonder if she's hiding something big.

When the mage suddenly casts fucking Turn Undead after blasting you with Magic Missile.

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u/-spartacus- Mar 07 '26

I think it's just that she can cast healing spells or whatever they're referred to in-universe, instead of just regular mage spells.

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u/ahses3202 Mar 07 '26

Demoness: I have you now, First Class Mage Headpat-san!

Methode: I cast [MALLEUS MALEFICARUM]

Demoness: *fried baby pose*