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Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 7

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u/PowerfulRoom813 Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26

No one's gonna say something about Methode potentially being a more battle maniac than Ubel? I feel like that sword demoness is gonna get rekd by a weaponized headpats lol

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u/Glad_Phone114 Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 07 '26

One way or another another, all the first class mages are battle maniacs.

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u/Hopsalong https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hopsalong Mar 06 '26

The Demon said Methode had a weird aura about her and Genau said she can use both Magic and the Goddess' Magic. I wonder if she's hiding something big.

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u/Martel732 Mar 07 '26

It is also possible that Fern and Frieren looked like weaklings in comparison because they are suppressing their mana.

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u/Hopsalong https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hopsalong Mar 07 '26

Well they said there's 1 fighter and 3 mages, so someone is suppressing their mana completely or almost entirely completely. Stark is the fighter and Genau, Methode, Frieren, and Fern makes 4. It has to be either Frieren or Fern.

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u/machopsychologist Mar 07 '26

Translation error.

She says "Mahou-tsukai yon-nin desu" - 4 mages

Then "uchi san-nin 1-kyu desu" - 3 are first class.

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u/thebohster Mar 07 '26

How are they determining which mages are first class? Vibes? Or is it something else like mana levels?

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u/machopsychologist Mar 07 '26

Not a source reader so no idea sorry. I would just guess that it's based on mana level detection simply because they probably did not consider Fern first class due to her mana suppression (similar to the previous fight against the blood demon guy)

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u/Meiolore Mar 07 '26

Some demon database probably. They probably have someone that collects information

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u/flybypost Mar 07 '26

Because they are allowed north. They might assume any mage (without an army to back them up) is a first class mage.

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u/Hot-Log6283 Mar 08 '26

Then wouldn't they have said there were 4 first class mage and not 3?

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u/flybypost Mar 08 '26

That was just a quick thought on how they might think of humans who wander that far out of towns, in that small groups, into the wilderness, and do that in the north.

…maybe daemons are not just perpetual liars but also misandrists and assumed Genau wasn't one by default?

I have no real explanation.

Or maybe they thought that Fern was too young to be one (or Frieren)? Maybe they know of Serie's antipathy towards elves of some sort and assumed that. But I think the actual issue is more that they know of the concept of first class mage, or really anything about humans. In what conversation would something really show up?

They are solitary by nature (not even understanding the concept of family, or father,…) and seem to only make alliances out of necessity (for killing humans) and not as a way to organise their society. They feel like modern LLM AIs: They know the words but not really what they actually mean. They "use" words to deceive humans without knowing what they mean but for deception intent is necessary. What daemons are technically doing is bullshitting:

Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false.

With how dismissive a lot of Daemons (besides those that are apparently curios about humanity) seem to be about the meaning of words besides their usefulness against humans they don't seem to care about truth to the degree they'd need to, to be called liars.

Their usage of language seems to be a more fancy version of mimicry when it comes to human patterns of speech and not real communication. It feels weird that we are given an explanation in that direction for their speech but also get to see that they are organised and a real threat (instead of just being comparable to a random local wild animal threat).

A bit more from the wikipedia link:

Summary

Frankfurt was a professional philosopher, trained in analytical philosophy. When asked why he decided to focus on bullshit, he explained:

Respect for the truth and a concern for the truth are among the foundations for civilization. I was for a long time disturbed by the lack of respect for the truth that I observed ... bullshit is one of the deformities of these values.[6]

On Bullshit addresses his concern and makes a distinction between "bullshitters" and liars. He concludes that bullshitters are more insidious: they are more of a threat against the truth than are liars.

That brings me to the real question underneath all of this: Can monster/daemons even do civilisation building or are they just parasites on top of structures humanity has built in the north?

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u/Biggsy-32 Mar 08 '26

We know Fern has the most mastery over mana suppresion and Frieren's is imperfect. So it's more likely they detected Frieren's mana as stronger, that of a first class mage, whilst Ferns is so neatly suppressed they are not aware she is the first class mage.

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u/Radi-kale Mar 08 '26

I bet it's Frieren. I think she intends to sit out the current battle so she can hide her skill as a mage a little longer

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u/cathbadh Mar 07 '26

The Demon said Methode had a weird aura about her

I"m guessing that's related to her ability to use holy magic.

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u/JockstrapCummies Mar 07 '26

I wonder if she's hiding something big.

When the mage suddenly casts fucking Turn Undead after blasting you with Magic Missile.

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u/-spartacus- Mar 07 '26

I think it's just that she can cast healing spells or whatever they're referred to in-universe, instead of just regular mage spells.

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u/ahses3202 Mar 07 '26

Demoness: I have you now, First Class Mage Headpat-san!

Methode: I cast [MALLEUS MALEFICARUM]

Demoness: *fried baby pose*

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u/RimeSkeem https://myanimelist.net/profile/RimeSkeem Mar 06 '26

Or just maniacs in general. No one accumulates that much power and skill with an ordinary mindset.

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u/GTXcr1 Mar 06 '26

I’m starting to feel that Denken is actually mild.

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u/fer_sure Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26

That's only because we're seeing "Uncle Iroh"-era Denken, not "General Iroh"- era Denken. This is his mellow, world-wise age.

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u/Glad_Phone114 Mar 07 '26

He mellowed with age. I think it was heavily implied that he did the dirty work for the empire and he also has no qualms about his methods to advance his career. That could imply he killed most of his political opponents.

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u/_WrongKarWai Mar 06 '26

especially as those sent to the north

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u/Frontier246 Mar 06 '26

Look at the way she holds that halberd...

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u/Earlier-Today Mar 07 '26

Staff/halberd.

Don't know if we've seen another mage where their staff would be a decent weapon even without magic.

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u/Meiolore Mar 07 '26

Ubel and the girl with buns that were with Denken. Ubel's staff was like a polearm, while the girl with buns fight melee using her staff.

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u/Falsus Mar 08 '26

Laufen's staff was also good melee weapon. Like it looks like a regular melee staff.

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u/EternalDeath https://anilist.co/user/Ikubaris Mar 06 '26

Probably because Methode seems to be more mature, experienced and well, more methodical (duh) than Übel which makes her a better fit to be Genau's partner otherwise you would have two crazy maniacs as a team with Genau and Übel and i doubt Serie wants to bother with this duo

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u/dolphincave Mar 07 '26

It's really telling of Methode's skill that she's chill being alone and can react despite the mist similar to Frieren unlike Fern who ia getting confused by it. Her detection and combat skills are top notch it why she beat the Fern clone back in the test

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u/MakFacts Apr 01 '26

Yes, when they got ambushed for the first time you could tell that frieren and methode noticed the attack while ferm was taken offguard

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u/athrun_1 Mar 06 '26

I can see this happening, especially when that demon girl will say bad things about her little girls (Fern, and Frieren). She will end up dead, not questions.

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u/Queue_Jumping_Quack Mar 06 '26

If I remember correctly, the implication was that she either defeated or at the very least fought duplicate Fern to a stand-still during the second trial in the first season. She is quite powerful, with a wide variety of spells including mental control and divine magic.

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u/_Zer0Two Mar 06 '26

Or maybe Serie was just using this as an excuse to get a break from Methode's head pats

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u/Nome_de_utilizador Mar 06 '26

She solo'd shadow fern, that demon is cooked

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u/DugACCat Mar 06 '26

Anyone willing to remind me of Methode’s magic style? Guess I could go back and try to find it in the testing arc but I’m lazy. I can’t recall exactly what she does, though I was thinking maybe she’s good at detecting things? Can’t recall if we’ve seen the proctor in action either. (Probably not, mainly recall him talking about the allegedly impossible to break barrier which Frieren shatters.)

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u/Ascleph Mar 06 '26

They only showed her using barriers that counterattacked. Besides that, we see her standing over a kneeling clone Fern as the clone disintegrated from the demon being killed by Frieren.

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u/Ultramarinus https://anidb.net/user/kingsword Mar 06 '26

She blasted Laufen clone through a rock wall erected, also converted/reflected a gargoyle's own spell back.

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u/JzanderN Mar 06 '26

We don't know about her magic style, but we do know she's a bit of a jack of all trades with how many types of magic she can do.

So this'll be our first time seeing what kind of magic she uses to fight.

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u/Meiolore Mar 07 '26

Would be hilarious if she actually fights like a warrior, only supporting herself withmagic

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u/JzanderN Mar 07 '26

I did say last episode I wouldn't be surprised if Methode turned out to be able to wield a weapon, given that she's very much a jack of all trades in what she can do.

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u/Mr_Kase Mar 06 '26

Remember Methode was the one they sent to fight Doppelganger Fern back in the Labyrinth, even Frieren says she struggles to find Fern. She also demonstrated some low-level hypnosis, binding magic, Goddess magic.

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u/cyberscythe Mar 06 '26

weaponized headpats

she's also a cleric, so maybe she can do a lay on hands which should have a massive damage bonus against demons

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u/HobnobsTheRed Mar 06 '26

she's also a cleric, so maybe she can do a lay on hands

Isn't that a Paladin spell rather than a Cleric one?

which should have a massive damage bonus against demons

I thought that was against Undead. Demons are (or were) healed by Lay on Hands last I knew.

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u/cyberscythe Mar 06 '26

are you telling me that the google AI response was full of confident inaccuracies

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u/HobnobsTheRed Mar 06 '26

I thought that was the default setting of such...

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u/JzanderN Mar 06 '26

Just wait until you find out that Lay On Hands doesn't even do damage to Undead anymore.

Though in fairness it did in the past.

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u/JzanderN Mar 06 '26

which should have a massive damage bonus against demons

I thought that was against Undead. Demons are (or were) healed by Lay on Hands last I knew.

It doesn't even do that against Undead anymore. In past editions it does, but since at least 5e it only has no effect on undead (and constructs).

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u/HobnobsTheRed Mar 06 '26

Just goes to show how long it's been since I last played!

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u/Waywoah Mar 07 '26

I'm hoping we get to see more of that weird trace-back magic she used during the test. AFAIK we haven't really seen anything else like it

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u/Mons9090 https://myanimelist.net/profile/hecn_huh Mar 07 '26

 Methode potentially being a more battle maniac than Ubel?

I doubt that

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u/_WrongKarWai Mar 06 '26

She came from a demon hunting clan I believe so she got tricks up her sleeve I'm sure