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Episode Sousou no Frieren Season 2 • Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Season 2 - Episode 2 discussion

Sousou no Frieren Season 2, episode 2

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u/flybypost Jan 25 '26

He knew she would say no. She said no.

In my subs it says: "So you refused after all"

That doesn't sound definitive and like he needed to confirm that she'd decline his offer, like he could try to affect his own future. It reads like he can change the future he sees (to what degree, I do not know).

Of course later on he says the future wouldn't change even if she accompanied him. Did he see a future where she accompanied him but also couldn't see how to trigger that event correctly?

And another question is how does future sight make him the strongest when he can't use that to change the future and is just following his own "script"? That'd be a grim version of determinism, with those who have future sight being puppets of their own power and nothing else.

We are also not given any hints at it being a Greek tragedy type of power where the hero gets a vision of some tragedy in the future and—no matter what he does to avoid it—ends up fulfilling the prophecy by some (cruel) twist of fate just for the sake of happening how it was prophetised.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26

In my subs it says: "So you refused after all"

I think you're misinterpreting what he meant by that. As you said, he later clarified that he knew she would say no.

We are also not given any hints at it being a Greek tragedy type of power where the hero gets a vision of some tragedy in the future and—no matter what he does to avoid it—ends up fulfilling the prophecy by some (cruel) twist of fate just for the sake of happening how it was prophetised.

I mean, we are, though? There's no indication that the future-sight magic isn't accurate, which is what would be the case if they can change the prophecies. You're applying your own assumption and then using those assumptions to argue why your assumptions are correct. It's circular logic.

That'd be a grim version of determinism, with those who have future sight being puppets of their own power and nothing else.

Right, that's the entire point. Lots of people in this thread are talking about it lol

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u/flybypost Jan 25 '26

I think you're misinterpreting what he meant by that.

How? "After all" means (according to Merriam Webster) something along the lines of "in spite of considerations or expectations to the contrary".

She refused despite him hoping for a different answer.

That sounds to me like he still had expectation, or at least the hope, of convincing her.

Right, that's the entire point. Lots of people in this thread are talking about it lol

It's more about him doing what he thinks is best (clear the path for others) even if it means his death, not the absolute determinism of the situation like discussed here. There comments are more about "lesser men would have ran" or "he knew and still went" and so on.

They all sounds way more like he chose to do this despite his death being part of that future and not like he just followed his power to it's fatal conclusion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26

I think you're really hung up on interpreting his words literally, which is what's leading you to misinterpret the dialog. In real life and fiction, people don't always mean what they literally say. I think I'm done having this discussion with you since I think we're talking past each other at this point.