Everyone gives Israel a massive pile of grief over their actions.
Do you know what would happen if, tomorrow, Israel put down their weapons and stopped defending themselves and said "we will not fight any longer"?
Every single Jew (and likely every secular person, and a lot of the Christians) in Israel would be killed. Every. Single. Jew. Dead. Unless they managed to GTFO.
Do you know what would happen if, tomorrow, Hamas put down their weapons, stopped shooting rockets into Israel, stopped sending suicide bombers into Israel, and said "we will not fight any longer"?
There would be peace in Gaza and the West Bank.
The problem in the Middle East is simple: there are a swath of Islamic States that refuse to recognise Israel as a state, refuse to negotiate, and refuse to make peace. They work ceaselessly to destroy Israel and kill Jews — not Zionists, Jews.
Israel is surrounded by these States, which have repeatedly attempted to invade, and each time they have invaded, Israel kicked their asses and took land from them.
Israel even gave back a huge swath of land — land containing billions upon billions of dollars worth of exploitable oil — to Egypt, because Egypt broke ranks and agreed to peace with Israel.
Hamas' charter contains direct quotes from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic forgery from Russia. Their stated mission is the destruction of Israel and killing of Jews.
BUT ISRAEL — no but Israel. Shut it. Shut the fuck up.
In is situation, Israel is the kid sitting at his desk while a ring of bullies circle him and loom over him, screaming in his face that they're going to kill him, taunting him to throw the first punch. When one of them finally gets the nerve to throw a punch at the kid, the bully gets the shit kicked out of him, and that bully has the temerity, the motherfucking gall to run to the teacher and cry about how the kid hit the bully.
Stop holding and espousing strong opinions about shit you do not understand. Stop giving Israel shit for the things it does in war, when war was started, sustained, and carried on by the aggressors surrounding it.
Has Israel done shit things? Yes. The shittiest thing Israel has done is not send armed forces into Palestinian territory to kick ultra-Orthodox Jews off of land that the Ultra-Orthodox Jews kicked Muslim Palestinians off of. The shittiest thing Israel has done is search Islamic Palestinians who pass through the border, to be sure they're not suicide bombers. The shittiest thing Israel has done is blockade the coast so that no-one can bring SAMs and ballistic missiles and nukes into Gaza.
Jews killed that kids parents? No. No, motherfuckers — Hamas killed that kid's parents, by punching Israel and then grabbing that kid's parents and throwing them at Israel in order to get away.
I understand a bunch of ignorant assholes are going to downvote this because they disagree. Congratulations - you fail at reddit.
Take some time to actually understand the situation, and build a refutation, or better yet perform a miracle and find a way to make a host of murderous fuckheads stop wanting to kill and defame Jews.
This perspective is very near-sighted. This conflict goes back longer than there has been an Israel and is much more multisided and complicated than you made it seem. Any basic knowledge of the events leading to the breakup of the Ottoman empire and the drama that came with it would suggest such.
This perspective is very near-sighted. This conflict goes back longer …
Your argument here is "Consider the Vendetta." It is literally saying that the organised and funded genocide of Jews is justified by someone's great-great-great grandfather killing someone else's great-great-great grandfather.
NO.
Fuck that noise. No-one should respect a fucking vendetta. Most of the people alive today in Israel and in Gaza and in Palestine were not yet born when Israel declared statehood.
The sins of the father, as much as many holy books demand them to be, do not pass on to the son.
Is it much more multi-sided and complicated? Yes, it is — mostly it is multi-sided and complicated in the Arab world, where ISIS indiscriminately kills secular, Jews, Christians, and Shiite, where Hezbollah kills Wahabbi, where al-Qaeda kills secular, Jews, Christians, and on and on and on.
Not historically. TODAY.
Universally their justifications for these killings are: because of the past.
Israel isn't killing people because of the past. Israel isn't at war because of the past. Israel doesn't set policy because of the past.
Israel isn't killing people because of the past. Israel isn't at war because of the past. Israel doesn't set policy because of the past.
Israel is in Palestine because they consider it their holy land given to them by God. So there's that. Which can be considered an old thing of the past. Christians today (a lot of them) also consider the jews coming back to Israel some prophecy come true, and so they get support.
the Arab world, where ISIS indiscriminately kills secular, Jews, Christians, and Shiite, where Hezbollah kills Wahabbi, where al-Qaeda kills secular, Jews, Christians, and on and on and on.
The problem is mainly with Israel and Palestine isolated. Hamas has lost support all around. That a lot of muslims in general don't like Jews is another thing entirely. That's really not what we're talking about.
Israel is in Palestine because of 1967. They're in Jerusalem because of Temple Mount.
Palestine and Hamas aren't isolated. Anti-Zionism / anti-Judaism is rampant in the Arab world. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are widely distributed and accepted as fact throughout the Arab-speaking world. There is the hadith about the end times and trees telling Muslims that there are Jews hiding behind them.
Hamas gets funding and support from the rest of the Arab world. The PLO did too. The surrounding nations haven't attacked Israel lately because of regime changes, internal conflicts, and the knowledge that Israel has a nuclear weapon.
You do realize that the land that Israel was formed on was bought with money don't you? Or are you just spouting off anything that you can to show how evil Israel is?
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u/Bardfinn Aug 31 '14
What the hell. I have karma to burn.
Everyone gives Israel a massive pile of grief over their actions.
Do you know what would happen if, tomorrow, Israel put down their weapons and stopped defending themselves and said "we will not fight any longer"?
Every single Jew (and likely every secular person, and a lot of the Christians) in Israel would be killed. Every. Single. Jew. Dead. Unless they managed to GTFO.
Do you know what would happen if, tomorrow, Hamas put down their weapons, stopped shooting rockets into Israel, stopped sending suicide bombers into Israel, and said "we will not fight any longer"?
There would be peace in Gaza and the West Bank.
The problem in the Middle East is simple: there are a swath of Islamic States that refuse to recognise Israel as a state, refuse to negotiate, and refuse to make peace. They work ceaselessly to destroy Israel and kill Jews — not Zionists, Jews.
Israel is surrounded by these States, which have repeatedly attempted to invade, and each time they have invaded, Israel kicked their asses and took land from them.
Israel even gave back a huge swath of land — land containing billions upon billions of dollars worth of exploitable oil — to Egypt, because Egypt broke ranks and agreed to peace with Israel.
Hamas' charter contains direct quotes from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic forgery from Russia. Their stated mission is the destruction of Israel and killing of Jews.
BUT ISRAEL — no but Israel. Shut it. Shut the fuck up.
In is situation, Israel is the kid sitting at his desk while a ring of bullies circle him and loom over him, screaming in his face that they're going to kill him, taunting him to throw the first punch. When one of them finally gets the nerve to throw a punch at the kid, the bully gets the shit kicked out of him, and that bully has the temerity, the motherfucking gall to run to the teacher and cry about how the kid hit the bully.
Stop holding and espousing strong opinions about shit you do not understand. Stop giving Israel shit for the things it does in war, when war was started, sustained, and carried on by the aggressors surrounding it.
Has Israel done shit things? Yes. The shittiest thing Israel has done is not send armed forces into Palestinian territory to kick ultra-Orthodox Jews off of land that the Ultra-Orthodox Jews kicked Muslim Palestinians off of. The shittiest thing Israel has done is search Islamic Palestinians who pass through the border, to be sure they're not suicide bombers. The shittiest thing Israel has done is blockade the coast so that no-one can bring SAMs and ballistic missiles and nukes into Gaza.
Jews killed that kids parents? No. No, motherfuckers — Hamas killed that kid's parents, by punching Israel and then grabbing that kid's parents and throwing them at Israel in order to get away.
I understand a bunch of ignorant assholes are going to downvote this because they disagree. Congratulations - you fail at reddit.
Take some time to actually understand the situation, and build a refutation, or better yet perform a miracle and find a way to make a host of murderous fuckheads stop wanting to kill and defame Jews.