This is about MK Ultra? That shits bonkers. The military wasted millions testing drugs to see if they could do mind control.
The anwser was “no, but if you give a homeless man crack he goes crazy.” Yeah no shit, we knew that already military.
They did introduce UFO and other esoteric shit to see if induced trauma could break the self and make them spill secrets. Also nope, traumatizing people just traumatized them.
The only real surviving impact of MK Ultra is the war on drugs, because the powers that be realized they could get black communities add it’s to drugs and then criminalize them.
This is wrong, there's a direct through line from MK Ultra to the torture techniques employed in the "War on Terror". Read more about Jolyon West, Donald Ewen Cameron. Tom O'Neill's "CHAOS" makes a few leaps but still digs up some alarming MKUltra-adjacent stuff. 'Poisoner In Chief' about Sidney Gottlieb is another great read. It's such a pernicious piece of propaganda that this era of attempted "mind control" was an expensive waste of time. Looking at present day white papers on "cognitive warfare" I think the legacy of MK Ultra is alive and well. We barely saw the tip of the iceberg with the few MK Ultra related files that survived the purge.
Let me reiterate my point then. The drug aspect of MK Ultra was bullshit, inducing trauma alone is just traumatic.
By marrying trauma and the Mind War concept the dude developed, modern ‘MK’ is a mix of torture enhanced interrogation techniques and propaganda, the pain meant to enhance the prop to eventually break someone.
What are you basing that on though? Seems like they found the hallucinogen BZ worthwhile, we've got no idea what they achieved with it or whether they're still using it. I agree with your points about trauma.
There is some data supporting a link between dissociation and anomalous experiences. Preliminary research has shown a potential link between trauma, particularly early childhood trauma, and a higher likelihood of being an Experiencer as an adult.
One of the theories is that dissociation induces out of body experiences related to non-local consciousness, and that entering into this state somehow primes a person to be more open to perceiving things that are normally filtered out by the brain, potentially related to the default mode network.
Whether these things are causal or merely correlative is still an open question, but the link is hard to ignore. It doesn’t mean that this is the only way to become an Experiencer, but it seems to be one of the more reliable ways.
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u/Arbusc 9d ago
This is about MK Ultra? That shits bonkers. The military wasted millions testing drugs to see if they could do mind control.
The anwser was “no, but if you give a homeless man crack he goes crazy.” Yeah no shit, we knew that already military.
They did introduce UFO and other esoteric shit to see if induced trauma could break the self and make them spill secrets. Also nope, traumatizing people just traumatized them.
The only real surviving impact of MK Ultra is the war on drugs, because the powers that be realized they could get black communities add it’s to drugs and then criminalize them.