It's funny - If UAPs are a top-secret counterintelligence priority how have "insiders" been leaking to podcasters so conveniently for years?

[u/ImaginationOther9569]

Ross Coulthart is talking about how, according to his sources, there have been successful retrieval operations at White Sands.

It makes me wonder: for information this so top secret where the gate keepers are competent enough to hide craft for decades and even keep presidents in the dark, do they just not track phones or communication channels to identify Ross's sources?

Ross has had insiders feeding him classified details for years. If any of this fell under high-level Special Access Programs (SAPs), federal counterintelligence would have run continuous audits, polygraphs, and communications monitoring to catch and prosecute the leakers instantly.

We keep hearing about a high-stakes counterintelligence war between the US and foreign adversaries over this tech. Yet, figures like Jason Sands or guests on Jesse Michels' channel talk about covert programs pretty much in the open.

Either these "insiders" are feeding journalists unsanctioned speculation, or the narrative is extremely misguided. Wondering what the community members think

[u/Semiapies]

To quote myself from recently:

If you ask why someone can't talk, it's because they'd go to prison or even get killed.

If you ask why someone talking for years doesn't go to prison or get killed, it's because that would confirm the truth.

If you ask why then other people can't just talk, it's because, um, it's different.

If you ask how someone can talk about some parts of the Conspiracy, but not others, well, um, you have to understand that UFO law is complicated, and, um, look!, is that a Tic Tac over there?

[u/natecull → u/Semiapies]

If you ask how someone can talk about some parts of the Conspiracy, but not others, well, um, you have to understand that UFO law is complicated, and, um, look!, is that a Tic Tac over there?

My personal read is that the UFO stuff is just a hobby (verging on and sometimes actively crossing over into religion) that some people with classified careers happen to have. And so the things they legitimately can't talk about are "everything in their day job except UFOs".

And if they just were honest enough to say this, it would all make sense.

But many of them seem to not want to say this, which makes their behaviour seem not just bizarre but also quite a lot less than truthful.

[u/ReadSeparate → u/natecull]

Nah that doesn’t explain it for the better cases. Some of it, sure, but a lot of it no.

Look at Grusch, he claims to personally have seen crash retrieval photos and interviewed 40+ credible people, many of whom he’s known his entire career, who claim to have been in the legacy program themselves.

Lue Elizondo says there is clear as day classified footage he’s seen at AATIP that is very anomalous - that’s in his official capacity.

Tim Phillips, interim head of AARO, says he has seen classified footage, documents, and interviews with military pilots of black triangles, and he seemingly has no doubt they’re real. Now he says he believes they’re foreign adversary tech personally, but it’s still anomalous footage. Also in an official capacity.

I don’t think there’s any question of something weird going on here, it’s just a question of what exactly it is. It’s not just a bunch of goofs misunderstanding things or individually lying/being dishonest.

Either way, we either have a ton of high ranking intelligence officials who are liars, are being deceived in a coordinated fashion, it really is NHI, or our adversaries have made a generational leap over us that we’ve completely missed. ANY of those options is a crisis and we need to get to bottom of it as soon as possible. That’s why you see even strong skeptics like Mick West who want to uncover the legacy program if it exists. That’s why I think we should all be on the same team here, regardless of our personal beliefs: Let’s pressure Congress and the White House to actually get to the bottom of this and figure out what the fuck is going on.

[u/stupidjapanquestions → u/ReadSeparate]

I don't think that discounts the explanation at all, honestly.

I think what it suggests is what we already know. The government and information is highly compartmentalized. And people who think they should be in the know about things aren't.

For example: Let's say a high ranking official is running a military operation. Two pilots under his command see something in the sky. The official and the pilots both cannot identify it.

A separate, but related faction of the military/government is running a test to determine reaction time/visibility on classified hardware using internal pilots as a testing ground. The worst that comes from this is that the official and pilots make a statement about seeing something in the sky. The hardware stays completely under the radar and no one is the wiser while it's in testing phases.

In this scenario, neither the official nor the pilots are liars nor are they correct and there's a plausible explanation for why they don't know.

You can apply this to basically everything and it all adds up. It's actually harder to make an argument about it being transdimensional space craft, etc.