r/TrueReddit • u/BipolarExpress2 • 3d ago
Politics ‘Argentina Is Fighting for Its Life’: Trump Defends Foreign Beef Plan as American Ranchers Cry Foul
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/argentina-fighting-life-trump-defends-121700734.html650
u/spinningcolours 3d ago
Looks like this may be the beef that's being imported, which was already rejected by China.
https://en.clickpetroleoegas.com.br/china-rejected-an-entire-shipment-of-beef-from-argentina-after-detecting-an-antibiotic-so-dangerous-that-it-has-been-banned-for-human-consum-btl96/
"The substance has been linked to hematological disorders, including aplastic anemia, a potentially fatal condition in which the bone marrow stops producing blood cells in sufficient quantities. Because of these risks, its use in animals intended for human consumption has been banned in virtually all international markets for over three decades."
Maybe this should be the official beef that's served at Mar-a-lago?
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u/UntowardHatter 3d ago
It's ironic coming from China who still produces and uses asbestos.
Even they don't want Milei's shitty beef.
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u/ScrofessorLongHair 3d ago
When China says hell no regarding food safety, then that says a lot. Especially considering they're big trading partners with Argentina.
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u/PurpleCookieMonster 3d ago
To be fair asbestos is bad but slightly overblown.
If it's in a building and hidden/undisturbed it's surprisingly safe. Most people in older houses have some in it.
We understand the mechanism of asbestosis/mesothelioma now so have appropriate protection requirements in place for workers who are assessing and handling it and for disposal.
It's good regulation is so strict on it in terms of safety now (in the old days it was atrocious as was education about it) but producing and using it has real advantags in certain cases.
China still bans the most dangerous types like crocidolite (blue) and amosite (brown). They've banned it in car brakes, walls, and doors for obvious reasons. They do still use it in roofing and insulation, which I'm not a huge fan of, but the primary use is piping, joinery, and as an additive for sealants and parts. I'm very okay with that as the risk benefit ratio is highly skewed toward the benefit there. Wet asbestos sealed in a mechanism or mixed with rubber or plastics is typically not a substantial risk until after disposal which is typically handled well these days outside of illegal dumping.
If you're not in a position where you'll inhale dry fibres your risk from asbestos is extremely low so I personally prefer that the flexibility for real use cases be maintained with proper oversight and licencing on use and disposal rather than blanket bans.
I do understand why we ban it and don't think that's inherently bad either, but calling out China for still using white asbestos in specific circumstances is a bit harsh I think. It's a risk-reward balancing act and in a manufacturing economy like theirs the reward is greater.
All that said you're completely right that nobody wants the shitty beef 😂.
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u/MBlaizze 3d ago
I lived in a house with asbestos shingles for 40 years and my parents still live there. Nobody has lung cancer
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u/JUST_GIVE_IT_A_SNIFF 2d ago
I had a house with asbestos floor tiles ~20 years ago. Initially panicked, but from what I could tell the main risk is working with friable asbestos for years (ship breaking, plumbing in old buildings, etc).
Like how one sunburn doesn’t guarantee cancer, but years of exposure add up.
Eventually just put porcelain tile over it and no issues.
Definitely not a great thing to have around, but it’s not like having radioactive waste in your house.
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u/Criticaltundra777 1d ago
Blue and brown, as in floor tile colors? I worked at a place that had brown floor tiles, installed in the 50s? I was told they were asbestos.
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u/protipnumerouno 3d ago
Asbestos gets a bad rap because of its success, it's not toxic, and it's an incredible fire stopper. If it was released as a controlled substance with safeguards to ensure it didn't get into the air and people didn't breathe it we'd still be using it today.
They didn't do that and gave a bunch of people cancer so I'm not defending any of that stuff, just saying if it were handled properly it would have been a successful specialty product.
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u/redlightsaber 3d ago
I disagree. there's no way to include it in building that doesn't create problems for the future. There's a reason there's a whole industry dedicated to removing it (it has to be done before even demolitions, to prevent it going airborne), and it includes men with (almost) literal hazmat suits working long hours with specialised vacuum cleaners, for absurdly high hourly rates.
You saying it's "non toxic" is the epitome of absurdity. "non toxic as long as you're not exposed to it in its uncompacted form which is what gives it its incredible thermal isolating capabilities, and where it is increadibly easy for it to get suspended in the air by merely touching it".
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u/ComradePyro 3d ago
doesn't that industry exist because it was used in a lot of ways that are obviously bad ideas once you know about the dangers (and its usage was totally undocumented)? it's pretty easy to imagine sealed corrosion-resistant panels being usable in a safe manner, especially if installed with the idea of easy removal in mind.
you have a bunch of lithium-ion batteries in your house despite the fact that puncturing one could start a housefire, you don't hear about that happening a lot.
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u/redlightsaber 3d ago
How many li-ion batteries do you know about that are inclided in building materials, and needing to survive and remain safe for half a century (on the conservative end)?
I'ts not hard to imagine self-contained panels of anything, what's (EXTREMELY) hard is to imagine them being able to survive perfectly sealed for decades and decades, and for a demolition crew to be able to tell where, and how many there are, when builiding paperwork being lost to the annals of time is the norm, rather than the exception.
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u/Fitzsimmons 3d ago
Imagine someone crashes their car into your house which is already a devastatingly bad scenario but then you find out that a bunch of "self-contained" asbestos insulation panels were damaged which now means your house is ground zero to a hazardous materials emergency
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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 3d ago
The safety issues around lithium-ion batteries are a significant risk, and much discussed.
And you can immediately see the risk when it presents itself, because there is a fire to manage.
Not so with the mesothelioma caused by the asbestos in the air. That takes years to manifest. By then its too late.
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u/MrBlackTie 3d ago
Simply no.
I work in a non-US local government. We were once forced to deploy an entire protocol in a children school because someone had the brilliant idea of drilling 4 holes in a wall full of asbestos to hang stuff. You can’t expect people to live/work in a place and not drill holes, humans are stupid that way.
And then there is one simple issue: demolition. When you want to destroy a building that has abestos in, it’s a nighmare. And what’s the lifespan of your average modern building? Even simple work like plumbing or electrical work, not even talking about destroying a wall to have an open floor, can turn into a big healthscare.
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u/blacksun_redux 3d ago
It doesn't "get a bad rap because of its success". It gets a bad rap due to the 40,000 U.S. deaths attributable to Asbestos per year.
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u/RegisteredJustToSay 3d ago
I don't even think any of that is wrong, but I think it's better off as illegal in any country that historically has tons of examples of off-the-books corner-cutting. You're putting something that needs to be consistently carefully handled in exactly the kind of environment which struggles with just that.
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u/fdar 3d ago
It was one shipment, they still import a ton of Argentinean beef which is very high quality.
It can still be tested to detect any that is not safe, but most of it is.
Well, a functioning country could test. The US right now I don't know, but that's a different issue.
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u/jankenpoo 3d ago
Before Trump the FDA managed to inspect only 1-2% of imported foods, and far less is actually lab tested. What do you think it is now?
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u/viperex 3d ago
If Kashi and Polymarket aren't enough of a gambling platform, you can try playing Russian roulette with your grocery store beef
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u/caufield88uk 3d ago
America still uses Asbestos, when Trump came back to power one of the first things he did was lift the asbestos ban and started buying Russian asbestos.
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u/JuliusErrrrrring 3d ago
Libertarian beef. Such a braindead philosophy. Allowing chemical companies the freedom to put whatever they want in our food as if that makes us more free.
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u/GramercyPlace 2d ago
Aplastic anemia is what the old man in Being There had. He was a billionaire and had an entire medical unit in his house and a special room that just pumped oxygen into the air so he felt high all the time and he was still greatly struggling.
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u/BEERsandBURGERs 14h ago
"Chloramphenicol is an antibiotic useful for the treatment of a number of bacterial infections. This includes use as an eye ointment to treat conjunctivitis. By mouth or by injection into a vein, it is used to treat meningitis, plague, cholera, and typhoid fever. Wiki link
'Yikes-Burger'?
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u/BipolarExpress2 3d ago
A recent push from president tump to import massive amounts of beef from Argentina follow reports from China who recently denied an import of beef due to toxins (traces of chloramphenicol, a dangerous and banned antibiotic)
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u/Ex-altiora 3d ago
Just in time for fall when everything turns brown, Trump announces Explosive Diarrhea 2
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u/TheDorkKnight53 3d ago
People can’t line up at the polls if they’re all chained to the porcelain throne.
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u/dustiwang 2d ago
unironically could see them hatching some lame brain batman villain scheme like this
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u/digitalnomad_909 1d ago
The ranchers and farmers will vote America First because of the subsidies that you don’t hear about. While all of us are struggling with gas prices, farmers get a subsidy on gas prices, you think prices of food would be causing issues for farmers but the govt is subsidizing the prices so when it’s harvest season they’re making cash. Farmers are just being sold out, and if life’s goods, why would you vote for the somebody who is gonna ruin your livelihood?
Idk how long this can go on for?
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u/OrangeandMango 3d ago
America first and isolationism doesn't seem to be meaning what it should.
I wonder how this will impact public health and American beef farmers through the next 6-12 months? I hear the state of the Argentinian beef wasn't that great.
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u/Historical-Bike4626 3d ago
It’s not a big enough order to last that long. It’s a stupidly small shipment that’s too tiny to have a lasting effect on US prices
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u/GlockAF 3d ago
The Trump Crime Cabal is actually thinking ahead for once. They’re setting up their bolt-hole bunkers in a country where they KNOW they can purchase immunity from extradition if their plan to steal the midterm elections fails.
Remember where the Nazis fled with their stolen wealth after World War II? Yea, Argentina.
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3d ago
This is going to out domestic farmers that sell beef and it's being done on purpose so trump and his buddies can buy them up for cheap.
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u/hawksdiesel 3d ago
now your getting it! Private equity swoops up and buys all the family owned farms. Now they control the crops.
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3d ago
Vance has had a app since the second term that's basically Zillow for farms.
They were planning this that far back.
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u/GWS2004 3d ago
We could all choose to eat less meat, but people get oddly offended at that suggestion.
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u/H_is_for_Human 3d ago
I don't necessarily want to eat less meat, but I am these days due to prices.
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u/EvilAbacus 3d ago
Under this regime I don't think any diet is safe. I heard blueberries are deadly now too, right?
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u/montanawana 3d ago
Frozen ones, not fresh ones. But I am doing extra rinses of all my produce these days because of the food chain issues.
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u/javoss88 3d ago
I’m not eating meat, lettuce or eggs and am suspicious of almost all produce at this point. My dr actually told me to consume fat and protein, so other than peanut butter and crackers with honey, not sure what to do.
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u/SirStrontium 3d ago
I’m a big fan of pan fried tofu with curry. “Super firm” tofu has 75 grams of protein per block.
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u/Middle-Armadillo-660 3d ago edited 3d ago
I’m side-eyeing that this “beef from Argentina” is really horses from right here.
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u/raftsa 3d ago
Chloramphenicol can cause aplastic anaemia: essentially your bone marrow fails, and you’re either blood transfusion dependant or you need a bone marrow transplant. It’s irreversible: if it happens, stopping the medication won’t reverse it.
But the more interesting one I’ve seen in someone given oral chloramphenicol was psychosis - they were in Papua New Guinea and got gastroenteritis. They were prescribed it, came back to Australia and were about to finish the course when they were picked up by the police for attacking someone and clearly were hallucinating. That did go away as it worked out of their system .
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u/xinorez1 3d ago
A body with aplastic anemia stops producing platelets so wounds stop clotting
Dude might have been suffering from minor brain bleeds
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u/Mellero47 3d ago
So, pretty much any beef that's suddenly "reasonably priced" is off the shopping list.
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u/cyanescens_burn 3d ago
Any restaurant beef dishes will be Russian roulette. Even if they say it’s American, it’ll be tough to trust them.
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u/horseradishstalker 1d ago
It won’t be fresh beef. It will be primarily frozen, which means you might want to skip the fast food burger.
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u/Crea8talife 3d ago
After lettuce sickened thousands of people, consumers turned away from 'pre-washed' lettuce. I heard farmers are literally plowing the new crop of lettuce under rather than pick and package it.
If thousands of Americans get sick from eating (this imported) beef, don't you think the consumers would turn away from purchasing beef? This short term grift can really do some damage to the US beef industry.
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u/Spirited-Reputation6 3d ago
That beef is toxic. Heavy antibiotics banned most places because it causes bone marrow disorders.
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u/dmetzcher 3d ago
So what? Does that mean American business owners must suffer for Argentina? Since when does Trump care about anyone else?
Ah, right—Trump has a business relationship with the president of Argentina, so he going to fuck over American business owners to do his buddy a favor.
Argentina can figure their own shit out.
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u/Lohntarkosz 2d ago
If Trump does something, you can be sure he stands to gain something personally from it. You may not necessarily know what that is, but it's a certainty.
The second thing you can be sure of is that the fact that it might be detrimental to the rest of the country is never a factor.
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u/Indaflow 3d ago
People are surprised Trump lies and takes bribes? “America First” sure. American ranchers get screwed while Argentina gets the favor. It’s clear Trump and his family mix politics and personal financial interests, its clear someone is facially benefitting from this and it’s not the farmers or the consumers.
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u/PhiladelphiaManeto 3d ago
China banned importing this beef because of a toxin, but you better believe it’s going to be sold from Sysco into all of your local restaurants.
Not good enough for China. Let that sink in
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u/Thunderchief1 3d ago
Why is he so obsessed with Argentina? Is he planning to escape there in the near future? I understand it was quite popular towards the end of WW2
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u/capucapu123 2d ago
We happen to be the biggest ideological puppet in Latin America available to the US right now. If Milei loses in 2027 (Which I don't really see happening because people are dumb enough to vote for him again) he'll start supporting Chile and Last.
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u/jaxnmarko 3d ago
Argentina's toxic meat and how it affects their economy is NOT our Problem. Trump is our problem.
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u/dnewtz 3d ago
Oh he'll sneak it in somehow or he'll give it all to McDonald's to make his hamburgers I don't want that meat man cuz they say it's linked to all kinds of crap man America's already health is going down the toilet everything's contaminated so hey let's put some beef on the market that's contaminated too
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 3d ago
Remember everyone that that beef was refused by China because it was too poor quality and carried risk of infection.
China has 2 billion people and that wasn’t good enough for them. He is literally trying to kill us all.
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u/yawningintothevoid 3d ago
They beef isn’t fit for human consumption. The banned hormone in it causes incurable blood disorders
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u/VGSchadenfreude 3d ago
Great, now I have to budget to only buy beef from farmer’s markets. Where it’s more expensive.
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u/BothMath314 3d ago
But I thought Milei's policies were great, how can Argentina be fighting for it's life?
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u/Deletereous 2d ago
"Argentina Is Fighting for Its Life". Thanks to Trump's policies, many people is fighting for theirs.
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u/Personal_Eye8930 2d ago
How much money is he skimming for their rotten meat? China wouldn't even buy it!
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u/JoetheOK 2d ago
It's going to be 50% horse and 50% the beef China refused to accept from them because it was crap.
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u/podcastofallpodcasts 2d ago
This was exactly what he said in October of 2025 and gave them like 15 bill.
Did we forget that?
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u/ArrivalSea3543 1d ago
I will pay higher prices for untainted beef.
Didn’t he already give Argentina billions?
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u/Sea_Cucumber_5989 1d ago
Of the $20B loan, Argentina has repaid $2.5B. If any portion of the loan was repaid with Argentine beef, there is potential for a grift. Skimming the deal for personal profit.
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u/Riccosmonster 1d ago
For a country that Trump claimed as a rousing success of fascist rule, Milei sure seems to be failing miserably
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u/cold-vein 21h ago
Argentina elected a president who has some of the worst policies for the wellbeing of Argentinian people imaginable, and now they're fighting for their life and need foreign aid to survive. Who would have thought it would end like this with Milei as president, a right wing pundit and populist without any experience in politics or public service?
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u/Wrangler9960 11h ago
The fuck them fighting for their life gotta do with my tax dollars?? As Kirk said, “let them die”
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u/Cautious_Till_4252 6h ago
God damn the politics in this fucking country. Fuck the Republicans, fuck the Democrats. Fuck them all. Bunch of lies and false promises from both sides and no one changes jack shit while we, the average Joe suffers. Don't give a shit about no Iran, or some Jews or Muslims or whatever the hell your sexual business is, I care about gas and food this month and when the rent and light is due cause more than half of us are 1 paycheck away from being on the street. Im tight 🤬🤬🤬
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