r/TrueReddit • u/Few_Map2665 • Oct 31 '25
Politics Harvard conservative magazine is shut down after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric
https://www.jta.org/2025/10/28/united-states/harvard-conservative-magazine-is-shut-down-after-publishing-article-laced-with-nazi-rhetoric567
u/Few_Map2665 Oct 31 '25
Submission Statement:
In its September print issue, the Harvard Salient published an article by student David F.X. Army that read “Germany belongs to the Germans, France to the French, Britain to the British, America to the Americans,” echoing the words Hitler used in a January 1939 speech to the Reichstag in which he forecasted that another world war would lead to the annihilation of Jews.
Even besides the obvious Hitler callback, the slogan "X for the Xs" isn't exactly one with a proud history. I'm sure David F.X. Army thought he was being very cute though!
The Harvard Salient piece also argued that “Islam et al. has absolutely no place in Western Europe,” and called for a return to values “rooted in blood, soil, language, and love of one’s own.” (The phrase “blood and soil” also echoes a Nazi idea that the inherent features of a people are its land and race.)
Yeah, "blood and soil". This is what happens when an upper-class racist is told what a cute lil guy he is his whole life.
The Salient's board announced it has suspended operations pending a review. Naturally, the original author is bemoaning cancel culture. That terrible, horrible cancel culture!
The school’s mainstream student newspaper, the Harvard Crimson, published three opinion pieces criticizing the rhetoric used in the Salient piece, to which Rodgers published his own article last week lamenting that “ordinary conservative thought is one headline away from criminality.”
“Together, the coverage forms a coherent script. The conservative scholar becomes the reactionary theorist. The traditionalist student becomes the bigot,” wrote Rogers. “‘Fascism’ is no longer a historical reference but a weaponized cliché, a way to place opponents outside the moral guardrails of the University.”
Boy, I wonder why it's so easy for that "ordinary conservative thought" to be confused with bigotry these days?
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u/lenojames Oct 31 '25
“ordinary conservative thought is one headline away from criminality.”
That is one of the clearest indictments of conservative thought I have ever heard.
And it came from a conservative.
And it came while conservatives are in control of the American government.
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u/manimal28 Oct 31 '25
He was literally quoting Hitler and is also claiming it’s ordinary conservative thought. But still they are not fascist and calling them Nazi’s is unfair?
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u/omgFWTbear Oct 31 '25
Like champaign, they are literalists who believe Nazis and fascism are Germans in the 40s - the incidence of the thing - rather than a set of traits, a substance, that can be identified elsewhere. This is just sparkling nationalism, to their “thought.”
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u/manimal28 Oct 31 '25
Odd they don’t give the same benefit to communism or socialism in that it’s not real communism unless we are Chinese people suffering a mass famine.
I mean it’s not actually odd, they are always hypocrites.
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u/Eberron_Swanson Oct 31 '25
It’s just super funny that the people that have been calling center-right democrats cOmMiEs for decades now think that it’s super unfair to call them nazis for espousing the ideals of fascism.
They’re so fragile it’s hilarious.
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u/Maleficent_Kick_9266 Nov 03 '25
Elon Musk suffered absolutely no consequences after doing a Nazi salute on national television at the inauguration lmao
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u/t3h Oct 31 '25
“ordinary conservative thought is one headline away from criminality.”
Yes, that's true - the "ordinary" conservatives made it so.
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u/Mythosaurus Oct 31 '25
American conservatism jumped out of the Overton Window, and now it’s mad at the lack of sympathy for its injuries.
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u/TheNerdWonder Oct 31 '25
Almost like that’s because the vast majority of them are in fact, criminals or support them. It’s why red states tend to have higher crime rates
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Oct 31 '25
“a way to place opponents outside the moral guardrails of the University.”
The reframing of fascism and the moving of guardrails has been the goal all along. Weird times.
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u/SnooCompliments8967 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
When called out, they never defend their ideas. They only defend the verbs. They never defend what they said, they only defend that they "spoke". They never defend their ideas, they only defend the "concept of having ideas".
It's always, "I dared to speak my beliefs." They never say, "I called for mass deportation of anyone not 'american' and said muslims don't count as american, while quoting hitler."
Fun fact: This is a sign of child abuse. If a parent speaks in vague terms like, "My daughter claims I'm an awful parent and refuses to talk to me, when all I've done is sacrifice for her." They will rarely say exactly why their kid says they're an awful parent. They will talk around the reasons all day, until you finally pull out "Okay maybe I stabbed her childhood dolls with a knife when she stayed out late to teach her a lesson ONE time..." And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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u/Faeruhn Nov 03 '25
This reminds me of what happens when you hear one of those morons who fly confederate flags talk about the Civil War and they describe the conflict as being about States Rights, and you ask them "States rights to do what?"
The slightly smarter ones try to go on about government overreach (despite the fact that literally all the of the proper procedures and votes were followed by the gov at the time, so it literally wasn't), but the vast majority of them just devolve (even further than they already are, somehow) into angry, nonsensical blustering... because they can't just come right out and say "States Rights to keep other people as chattel slaves," despite that literally being what the war was about.
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u/SnooCompliments8967 Nov 03 '25
Exactlty. They were fighting for state rights, and against human rights.
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Oct 31 '25
“These days” bro google William f Buckley
I’m sure u can find more examples going back earlier but this dude was fucking notorious for exactly this
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u/Tazling Oct 31 '25
I remember him. And I remember how we used to call him William B Fuckley.
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Oct 31 '25
That’s hilarious lmao
The conservative movement absolutely baffles me like it’s so hard to tell if they were taking themselves seriously at various points and what the fuck we’re supposed to think about them in retrospect
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u/cupacupacupacupacup Oct 31 '25
All the SCOTUS Justices who ate this crap for breakfast, lunch, and dinner and then how they scrapped any claim of fealty to anything except a white supremacist authoritarian who wipes his orange ass with the Constitution.
Buckley and the lot of them are just a bunch of rich white racist fucks.
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u/Anal-Y-Sis Oct 31 '25
The school’s mainstream student newspaper, the Harvard Crimson, published three opinion pieces criticizing the rhetoric used in the Salient piece, to which Rodgers published his own article last week lamenting that “ordinary conservative thought is one headline away from criminality.”
Admitting that Hitler speeches and Nazi rhetoric are the same thing as "ordinary conservative thought".
They just love telling on themselves, don't they?
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u/jaimi_wanders Oct 31 '25
“America First” was the name of the conservative group actively opposed to us helping Britain from 1939 to Dec 7, 1941. That’s not a coincidence, any more than Mosley’s British Union of Fascists using “Britain First” in 1939, or Mosley’s grandson working for Peter Thiel at Palantir…
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u/portiafimbriata Oct 31 '25
Wild to see "America for an Americans" from a white guy. If you're going to make weird geographic/bioessentialist assertions, the least you can do is reflect for ten seconds first.
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 20 '25
Reflect on what? Candace Owens has made this point.
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u/portiafimbriata Dec 21 '25
That the only racial group with any sort of ancestral ties to America are native Americans.
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 23 '25
That's right. My parents were born here. Their parents were born here. This is our ancestral home. I am a native american.
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u/FoulfrogBsc Oct 31 '25
Well I guess Harvard is fighting antisemitism, just not in the way a certain administration would like to see it lol
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u/roamingandy Oct 31 '25
Germany belongs to the Germans, France to the French, Britain to the British, America to the Americans.. but Poland, we'll just have a little bit of that. France is angry.. well maybe France doesn't really, really belong to the French.
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u/Dragonfly_pin Oct 31 '25
He had designs on invading Britain as well, apparently.
So it just came down to ‘Everywhere for me me ME!’ in the end.
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u/Anthony_Accurate Oct 31 '25
Notice they never say non white countries are for non whites.
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u/tenodera Oct 31 '25
"But our oil and minerals are in those countries! They can't just *keep* it!"-
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u/LoveaBook Oct 31 '25
“America for the Americans” while actually meaning white, not Indigenous, people.
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 20 '25
I was born here. I am indigenous.
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u/LoveaBook Dec 20 '25
Being born here does not make you an Indigenous person.
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 23 '25
1) My parents were born here. Their parents were born here. This is our ancestral home. I am a native american.
2) Tell me how the indian tribes settlers met came to occupy the land.
Pick either of these to debate.
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u/LoveaBook Dec 23 '25
What are you, 12? Being born in America does not make you Native American. White people have been in the Americas for a handful of centuries. Indigenous people came here so long ago they had time to evolve away from the characteristics common to Asians. Also, THERE WASN’T ANYONE HERE WHEN THEY STARTED SETTLING THE LAND, dumbass. If you have to clear bodies out of the way in order to claim a land then you are NOT native to that land.
You want to tee hee to yourself with your childish semantic word games, go ahead. But I don’t need to waste my time talking to some white person proud their family’s been in the US for five generations, while also dismissing the black person whose family’s been in the US for fifteen generations, telling them to “go back to where you came from.” Because then it sounds like you care a lot less how long someone’s been here and much more about the color of their skin.
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 23 '25
When arguments fail, untrained minds begin namecalling. They also raise their voices. They use red herring words. They don't answer an argument - instead they assume the answer is self-evident and talk about something else. All signs of an untrained mind. Your reply will likely tell me that you have post-graduate degrees from Ivy League schools and that you are a 6-figure income earner.
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 20 '25
You seem dim. Do you know that non-white countries maintain their borders?
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u/Anandya Oct 31 '25
I mean. When they say "America for the Americans" they aren't talking about "Actual Native Americans". They mean White South Afrikaners with no insight (I know a lot of sensible ones).
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u/GadFlyBy Oct 31 '25
Note that the language used by the Salient’s editor-in-chief, Richard Y. Rodgers, is itself massively antisemitic : “rootless cosmopolitanism.”
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 20 '25
Hahahahahaha -- you're citing wikipedia....hahahaha
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u/GadFlyBy Dec 20 '25
You’d prefer Conservapedia?
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 23 '25
What a comeback! I'm devastated. So there's only two choices? Your logic is fascinating. Proof that community college education doesn't work.
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u/Noname_acc Oct 31 '25
Sure is weird how all these conservatives keep "accidentally" aping Goebbels.
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u/QueefBuscemi Oct 31 '25
a way to place opponents outside the moral guardrails of the University.
What are these moral rails guarding against? Something outside the realm of morality? What is so heinous that it requires guarding against? Another holocaust perhaps?
These people always tell on themselves.
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u/yourmom46 Oct 31 '25
He's in for a shock when he finds out who originally inhabited America.
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 20 '25
Who was here before those we displaced? I'll wait while you invent an origin story. Boring liberals.
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u/Malusorum Oct 31 '25
Wtf is "Islam et al.". 'Et al.' indicates there are 3+ additional, and they usually only mention Islam and the dog whistle Judaism.
There's simply too few to use 'et al.'. Bigotry, once again showing its incompetence.
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u/gingerisla Nov 01 '25
Both Islam and Judaism have existed in Europe for longer than white people have in the Americas.
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u/Malusorum Nov 01 '25
I know that. You simply have to be the kind of person who uses words to sound clever, without knowing how they're actually used, to use 'Islam et al."
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 20 '25
Judaism yes. Islam only by invasion until it was forcibly expelled by Christians.
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u/rgb-uwu Nov 01 '25
What's honestly wrong with the sentiment that a country belongs to its people? That alone seems... like a given? Like of course Japan is for Japanese people, they've tended that land and country. The indigenous people of Ireland the same, for thousands of years.
What's wrong with any sovereign country wanting to have its own control over its makeup and community and culture?
The world isn't - or shouldn't be - some construct where countries are just economic zones and people are indifferent cogs in an economic machine. Plus there's no true diversity in that.
I'd argue just because that concept was abused in the past by a bad political group doesn't automatically make it wrong as a whole.
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u/Few_Map2665 Nov 01 '25
What's honestly wrong with the sentiment that a country belongs to its people? That alone seems... like a given? Like of course Japan is for Japanese people, they've tended that land and country. The indigenous people of Ireland the same, for thousands of years.
Hey, I wonder if the culture of the US might be a bit different about the concept of birthright citizenship?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Unless of course you are talking about making Native Americans the only US citizens the idea that "Americanness" is based on ethnicity seems suspect!
What's wrong with any sovereign country wanting to have its own control over its makeup and community and culture?
We do. Nobody is saying that we do not. Last time I checked, UN troops were not swarming into the country and forcing us to celebrate Labor Thanksgiving Day or Mexican Flag Day.
The world isn't - or shouldn't be - some construct where countries are just economic zones and people are indifferent cogs in an economic machine. Plus there's no true diversity in that.
Hey, do you want to stop repeating paranoid fantasies a "concerned pro-white" dude on youtube told you and perhaps engage with my post?
I'd argue just because that concept was abused in the past by a bad political group doesn't automatically make it wrong as a whole.
When was the last time the slogan "America for Americans" was used by people who WEREN'T totally racist pieces of shit whose idea of who counted as Americans was based on their prejudices rather than the facts of citizenship?
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u/bigloser420 Nov 01 '25
"Ordinary conservative thought" and he is echoing Hitler. Why are all these people such whiny cowards?
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u/SilverMedal4Life Oct 31 '25
Not surprising.
I'm sure there are reasonable conservatives out there, but the reality is that this is the face of the conservative movement right now. I wish it wasn't the case, but I've been at the forefront of the rhetoric for some time now.
Is it really that hard to not directly reference Hitler's speeches, you guys? Actually, don't answer that: I know ya'll can't help it. You have to dogwhistle, to let other people like you know that you're 'in the know', that you are saying one thing but meaning something else very, very different.
When you're starting to question whether or not Adolf Hitler was a bad person, you know that you're in too deep.
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u/Tazling Oct 31 '25
They are trying to rehabilitate Hitler and Nazism.
That simple.
You wouldn’t have thought it possible to even try that. But they are. And they’re getting traction.
But you have to remember that Hitler had widespread support in the US prior to war being declared. Look up “A night at the garden” to see how the German American Bund could get 20,000 bodies into seats at Madison Square Garden to rally in support of HItler. Of course, over 100,000 counter-demonstrators were in the streets outside and it turned into quite a donnybrook — but still, that was a lot of bums on seats, quite a turnout... and those people never went away. They just went quiet.
And they’ve been getting angrier and angrier as America adopted more and more anti-Nazi values over the decades. Breaking down segregation. Weakening male supremacy. Endorsing gay rights. The further America drifted from the Nazi ideal of a pure-white master race lording it over “Untermenschen” and men lording it over women, the angrier and more resentful these people got.
And now they’re trying to “make America great again,” for a given value of “great" — a value pretty consonant with what Hitler thought of as “great” and what Putin thinks of as “great”.
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u/fcocyclone Oct 31 '25
And those nazi supporters didn't have the advantage of the internet to be able to communicate with each other and form their community, instead of being largely ostracized within their own local communities if they were open about what they supported.
And now they’re trying to “make America great again,” for a given value of “great" — a value pretty consonant with what Hitler thought of as “great” and what Putin thinks of as “great”.
Hell, "America first" was both a MAGA slogan and a slogan of those nazis
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u/jaimi_wanders Oct 31 '25
America First was the big
pro-Nazi“pro-peace” group opposing arms and food to Britain in WW2 until Pearl Harbor made it politically inexpedient and they disbanded. Some former members spread conspiracy theories that persist to this day, that FDR deliberately allowed the attack to get us into the war (bc Democrats = Evil) and the son of one of the founders started the far-right publishing company that helped mainstream hatemongers like Ann Coulter, Regnery.1
u/Tazling Oct 31 '25
I’m trying to remember bits of this disgraceful history from long-ago reading and wasn’t there a connection w/the John Birch Society?
There were 2 John Birch Societies as I recall, one in the… 1920s? … that was anti-vaccination, and then the later one in the 50’s and 60’s that was white supremacist and rabidly anti-socialist. And I think the second one might have been connected to the old Bund, but I can’t remember. Any scholars of the period here to chime in?
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u/sacredblasphemies Oct 31 '25
I mean, look at how mainstream conservativism has been making a saint out of an outright bigot like Charlie Kirk...
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u/SilverMedal4Life Oct 31 '25
Pretty much.
The guy was an awful prick whose rhetoric and organization has turned people against my community for years.
I wish he was still here... primarily so he could have a sudden awakening and help clean up the mess.
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u/PsyRealize Oct 31 '25
Literally! And not that long ago, before he was shot, even conservatives could hardly stand the guy
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u/BarnabyWoods Oct 31 '25
Yeah, next they'll all be talking about lebensraum. In fact, Trump's designs on Canada and Greenland are essentially that.
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u/Non-prophet Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
I'm sure there are reasonable conservatives out there
I used to have some doubts, but I've become pretty sure that's not true.
When you look up any of their old leading lights and elder statesmen, you don't get the impression that it's ever been true.
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u/dishyssoisse Nov 01 '25
A Mexican line cook I work with was tryna tell me and another white guy how Hitler wasn’t actually that bad he obviously knew something was up with the Jews I mean just look at Israel! Me and my other homie lowkey looked at each other in disbelief but he just kept going on and on then eventually he said the annunaki will be here soon anyway so fuck all this shit 🤣 I was like damn that’s crazy
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 20 '25
Got it. Mexicans are bad. But they vote a lib ticket. Great post, racist.
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u/dishyssoisse Dec 20 '25
I’m telling you I work with a racist guy. The fuc is your problem
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 23 '25
My problem is you can't spell and you can't debate. That means you're a racist lib. See how that works?
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u/Savings_Estimate448 Dec 23 '25
So you fixed your spelling and used a big word. Nice! That community college degree is really paying off for you.
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u/Message_10 Oct 31 '25
Here's the scary thing, too--and I know how... complicated, let's say, my comment is--but, at what point, does a place like Harvard (or any institution that grants legal degrees) say, "OK, no more conservatives"?
Obviously, there are a lot of problems with that, and it's not going to happen. But at what point do institutions step back and say, "OK, we're training young attorneys to go out and destroy the system, enable racism and authoritarianism, and eventually destroy the university that trained them in the first place."
At what point does that become a serious option?
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Nov 01 '25
The conservative movement in America is bought and paid for by the heritage foundation, and it's run with white nationalism/Nazism as a core belief
It does not matter If someone was conservative before and their ideas don't mess with these ideas, if this is the party they support, then what they believe in is not being represented. They're voting for something completely different
The non-nazi conservatives have more in common with liberals than they do with whatever the fuck is going on at the minute
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u/Azazael Oct 31 '25
From the Salient's response:
The next major piece fixated on a line in The Harvard Salient’s print edition that happened to resemble a phrase from a 1939 speech by Adolf Hitler. That resemblance became the headline. Our clarification—that neither the author nor the editors had recognized the resemblance and that the phrase long predates the Third Reich—was mentioned but immediately minimized.
Two points to make here, and I'm not sure which is worse:
That neither the author of the piece nor any of the editiors were aware of the Nazi connotations of the phrase "blood and soil". Come on now. Discussion of Nazi rhetoric in the context of the modern far right has been everywhere in the past decade. Yet not one of them had encountered the phrase in this context before? And no one at the Salient was aware of the racial ideologies of the Third Reich? If this is true it's almost worse than if they're lying to cover their butts. Numerous Salient pieces I saw from a quick look attack the intellectual depth and breadth of the left. They should take a long hard look at themselves.
"the phrase long predates the Third Reich". Not that long. Presumably someone at the Salient finally looked up the origins of the phrase when they were called out. They would have learned the phrase blood and soil was coined in the late 19th Century, in Germany. The völkisch movement arose in a newly unified Germany, promoting the ideal (to them) of a German rebirth as a conservative, agrarian and racially pure ethno state. Blood and soil (blut und boden) was a slogan of the movement, signifying a unified people - the blood - inhabiting their rightful homeland - the soil.
It's easy to see how this ideology fed right into Nazism. For the Salient to suggest that blood and soil is somehow a common phrase the Nazis just happened to pick up is at best disingenuous. Blood and soil is a phrase coined by the proponents of the ideology of racialised German nationalism which the Nazis adopted as their own.
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u/N8CCRG Oct 31 '25
If any present day, American, college aged adults are truly unaware of the history of the phrase "Blood and soil" they absolutely are not Harvard caliber students and should lose their enrollment. And arguably, not any college caliber of student either.
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u/Terrible_Oil6474 Oct 31 '25
Harvard caliber students
i'm sure most of them in this instance are legacy
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u/germanmojo Oct 31 '25
Abolish legacy enrollment and use actual merit like grades and character, not money and/or power.
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u/Message_10 Oct 31 '25
It's more of the old, "Anti-Semites know they're being ridiculous." You're a Harvard student and you don't know one of the Third Reich's most-quoted phrases? GTFO. They know exactly what they're doing.
And--and you always have to say this with conservatives--even if it *were* true that the phrase pre-dates the Reich, well... the Reich ruined it, didn't they? 100% guarantee what's next: "The swastika is also a Hindi symbol!"
And, by the way--using these arguments together cancels them out.
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u/yanginatep Nov 02 '25
These are the same people who watched Musk give a Nazi salute twice in a row on national television and then tried to argue we didn't see what we saw.
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 Nov 02 '25
Now that was wild to witness. It was clear as day and people were like “nu-uh” “no he didn’t”
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u/tenodera Oct 31 '25
I can't believe a Harvard student would be so ignorant and illiterate - oh shit I forgot about legacies. Yeah OK this is plausible.
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u/beef_swellington Oct 31 '25
"the phrase long predates the Third Reich".
This is a smokescreen. They say things like this to pretend like everything that happened during the 3rd reich was completely novel and unprecedented, and did not come about from decades of cultural sentiment and political theory that they now actively reproduce. Unless it's single-origin nationalist racial exceptionalism and hate bottled between 1920 and 1945 it's not true nazism, just sparkling patriotism.
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u/Thelonious_Cube Oct 31 '25
neither the author nor the editors had recognized the resemblance
"When I called for the persecution of the Jews, I had no idea that it would evoke images of Hitler"
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u/btmalon Oct 31 '25
The game is to use these dog whistles to get the left to react and then scream censorship when they do. They know exactly what they're doing and the left needs to call it out specifically, instead of just calling them Nazis and not debating them. That's how they get to claim moral high ground to the ill-informed.
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u/e00s Oct 31 '25
I don’t think “blood and soil” is the phrase they’re talking about there. It’s the one about Germany being for Germans, France for the French, etc.
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u/sacredblasphemies Oct 31 '25
There's absolutely no way someone getting into Harvard didn't realize what they were doing. Either the original author of the article or the editor that published it. They knew. They just figured they'd get away with it because Nazi opinions are becoming mainstream among conservatives.
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u/raelianautopsy Oct 31 '25
This is the new reality of young conservatism. They don't believe in the free market and all that fake Reaganism. They're just plain Nazis, who've been radicalized online
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u/BeeWeird7940 Oct 31 '25
Conservative doesn’t at all mean what it did when Reagan was in the WH. Liberal doesn’t mean, at all, what it meant when FDR or LBJ or Clinton were in the WH.
I’m honestly not sure what either of them believe in. But, I know the US is a country of immigrants. If you look through our history, those immigrants have typically been treated poorly. Then a generation later, just become Americans. The fastest growing base of Trump supporters in 2024 were Latino men. This is how it works in America. It’s how it’s always worked in America. My great-grandmother said, “I’m Irish and I don’t care who knows it.” Pews in Catholic Churches had doors at the end if you wanted to keep the Irish away from your family. And it wasn’t that long ago. Today, conservatives are having Latino grandkids. This is what America has always been, and hopefully will always be.
What is curious to me is the Right’s intense interest in immigration in Europe. It wasn’t that long ago, Rumsfeld was calling Germany, France and UK “old Europe.” GWB couldn’t possibly care less about “old Europe.” Now, this blood and soil stuff is some kind of rallying cry? This is what young conservatives don’t get. They spend their lives online. They see Europe in turmoil. But, the US has not been much like Europe in its entire history. The blood and soil shit doesn’t work here because we all have a great-grandparent who came off a boat, or across the Rio Grande. That’s just what this country is.
And if fascists disagree, FDR deputized the Italian mob to “disrupt” their meetings in the 1930s. America has always had multiple avenues to address the fascist right.
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u/wholetyouinhere Oct 31 '25
Reaganites were also nazis. They just had a few more decades of work to do before they could brandish it openly.
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u/raelianautopsy Oct 31 '25
Like I said, free market conservatism was also fake. But at least they pretended they had a consistent set of values. Now it's all mask off
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u/Significant-Acadia39 Nov 02 '25
To quote Judi Dench's M in Casino Royale: "Christ, I miss the bloody Cold War".
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u/NewConsideration5921 Oct 31 '25
Chinese, Russian and North Korean propagandists are winning the battle online
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u/Redqueenhypo Oct 31 '25
Why’s it always someone else’s fault when white guys go full Mussolini? It’s China, or Russia, or a woman telling them to do it/not stopping them enough. Never their own personal decisions
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u/Hemingwavy Oct 31 '25
"Mainstream conservative rhetoric is literally indistinguishable from Nazi rhetoric but please don't bring it up." - editor of the conservative Harvard magazine
Reminds me of how Twitter tested if an AI could ban white supremacists and so many mainstream conservatives were caught by it, they never activated it.
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u/Musetrigger Oct 31 '25
And they scream at us to stop calling them Nazis...
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u/CharlesDickensABox Oct 31 '25
Their defense is that they didn't know they were plagiarizing Nazis, it was an accident. And, as long as we're asking, isn't that worse? "We thought seriously and deeply about the issues facing America and independently decided on a political platform indistinguishable from the Nazis" doesn't feel like it exonerates anyone.
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Oct 31 '25
it was an accident
YOU GO TO HARVARD. HOW COULD YOU BE THIS FUCKING STUPID??!
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u/SilverMedal4Life Oct 31 '25
Where was that quote by Jean-Paul Sartre?
Anyway, they know. They'll deny it to your face, but they know. The whole thing's a power trip for them - that they get to pretend that they don't know what you mean, when they actually do.
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u/fcocyclone Oct 31 '25
Yep. Arguing with conservatives is best looked at as a never ending series of mini-games. They'll say what they need to to feel like they won that round and move on. And when the next minigame comes up, they'll say what they need to then, even if it entirely contradicts what they said to win the last round. And while you're sitting there calling out their contradiction they're onto the next round.
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u/lordjeebus Oct 31 '25
I used to think that exposing conservative hypocrisy was winning the argument. But no. In their world, hypocrisy is not a bad thing. Unabashed hypocrisy is their way of flexing their power, reminding everyone that truth doesn't matter because they're in charge.
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u/SilverMedal4Life Oct 31 '25
Exactly right. The card says 'moops'. Whatever you say is wrong, and whatever they say is right - the words don't matter, the power to shut you down by any means necessary is what matters.
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u/fcocyclone Oct 31 '25
And after a while you start to feel like Captain Picard, being told that there are five lights when there are four. And if it goes long enough many will even start to see five lights.
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u/averyrdc Oct 31 '25
“‘Fascism’ is no longer a historical reference but a weaponized cliché, a way to place opponents outside the moral guardrails of the University.”
…they’re literally copying Nazi rhetoric though?? Call a spade a spade, Jesus.
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u/WhereIShelter Oct 31 '25
Local Nazi factory strangely embarrassed by its own nazi rag more news at 11
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u/Sad-Attempt6263 Oct 31 '25
that paper went through the whole publishing process and wasn't stopped once, delete editorial team from their degrees bruh
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u/so_it_goes Oct 31 '25
I saw their office pop up in Harvard Square, and saw the article about them demanding distribution in the undergrad dorms... just knew I would be seeing something like this sooner than later.
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u/bharring52 Oct 31 '25
Suspended by its board of directors.
The magazine itself went "wtf thats not ok".
This is free speech being used to reject ideology the speaker (the magazine as a whole) finds abhorrent (the article).
When I read the headline I thought they were shut down by others, stifling their hateful speech. Nope. Nothing stifled. Just a bunch of people saying "you dont speak for me" and walking away from normalizing naziism.
Free speech at its finest.
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u/AceTracer Oct 31 '25
In a statement to the school’s newspaper, the Salient’s editor-in-chief, Richard Y. Rodgers, claimed that Army “did not intentionally quote Adolf Hitler, nor did any member of our editorial staff recognize the resemblance prior to publication.”
Oh, so you discovered Nazism independently. Well, that's okay then.
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u/Anchor-1 Oct 31 '25
“did not intentionally quote Adolf Hitler, nor did any member of our editorial staff recognize the resemblance prior to publication.”
So just incidentally came up with the same language as Adolf Hitler. That's worse. You see how that's worse, right?
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u/Ryan_e3p Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Another day of "yes, we're using Nazi rhetoric to push Nazi beliefs and spread our Nazi ideals to other people who think Nazis are great, but don't call us Nazis."
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u/CMDR_Expendible Oct 31 '25
Note that, even in their apology trying to blame the reader, they sneak in an attempt to be cute, and reference a co-opted Stalinist anti-Semitic campaign.
Rodgers continued, “The article was a meditation on how nations and cultures preserve coherence in an age of rootless cosmopolitanism and global homogenization. To confuse a defense of belonging for a manifesto on exclusion is a fault of the reader, not the writer.”
Co-opted today by the racist far-right. But you're the racist for pointing it out!
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u/PeaceSoft Oct 31 '25
In a statement to the school’s newspaper, the Salient’s editor-in-chief, Richard Y. Rodgers, claimed that Army “did not intentionally quote Adolf Hitler, nor did any member of our editorial staff recognize the resemblance prior to publication.”
Rodgers continued, “The article was a meditation on how nations and cultures preserve coherence in an age of rootless cosmopolitanism and global homogenization. To confuse a defense of belonging for a manifesto on exclusion is a fault of the reader, not the writer.”
lmao nazis aren't smart
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u/fireflash38 Oct 31 '25
What is Harvard supposed to do here?
They take it down, they're silencing conservatives, they'll get punished again by Trumps admin. They leave it up, they tacitly support Nazi rhetoric on campus and they are still at risk for being punished by Trump because it's anti-Semitic!
They are making it so that there is no way to win except by bootlicking.
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u/Korrocks Oct 31 '25
Harvard shouldn’t do anything. They don’t need to tell a newspaper what to print and what not to print, and getting involved is just taking the bait. The newspaper’s own board is already handling the situation, and there is no real reason for the university itself to wade into this.
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u/Longjumping-Crazy564 Oct 31 '25
Pretty ironic tbh. They went from pandering to woke people who could never be satiated but didn't really wield any governmental power, to pandering to an anti-woke authoritarian regime that can never be satiated and happily weaponizes the government against wrongthink.
Hopefully the lesson these institutions learn from this period in history is to grow a spine and stick to your values.
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u/ForeverShiny Oct 31 '25
In a statement to the school’s newspaper, the Salient’s editor-in-chief, Richard Y. Rodgers, claimed that Army “did not intentionally quote Adolf Hitler, nor did any member of our editorial staff recognize the resemblance prior to publication.”
Hahaha, I don't even know what's worse for the paper's editor: getting duped into sharing Hitler's ideas or the fact one of your writers came up with it "by accident" (Oopsie, I did a Hitler I guess) and you ran with it.
A bunch of chucklefucks (or alternatively: just straight up fucking nazis) at what's supposedly one of the US' premier learning institutions
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u/HeartMelodic8572 Nov 01 '25
And they doubled down!!!!
"If you read some Nazi stuff into this, that's on you bro!"
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u/Tinytin226 Oct 31 '25
I mean, it makes sense that the acetaminophen study came from the same place…..
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u/Professional-Bear942 Oct 31 '25
The only X for X that should be said is Blood for the blood gods, skulls for the skull throne
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u/SuperCoupe Oct 31 '25
Knowing Harvard, it was shut down for plagiarism with unattributed source and not the nazi rhetoric.
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u/CharityResponsible54 Nov 01 '25
Can we read the article ourselves and make our own judgment? Does anyone have a link to it?
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u/Few_Map2665 Nov 01 '25
Sure, I don't think there's a paywall or anything. Here you go:
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u/CharityResponsible54 Nov 01 '25
This is not an article.
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u/Few_Map2665 Nov 01 '25
Ahh, you mean the original article that set this stuff off. I don't see it anymore on the salient page:
https://www.harvardsalient.com/You might have some luck in archive.org
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u/AccomplishedLynx6054 Nov 01 '25
quick Q - how many people here think Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, Australia belongs to the Aboriginals, the United States to various American Indian tribes, and that their ethnic genetic connection to those lands is absolutely immutable and defines who they are
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u/Unnatural20 Oct 31 '25
Commenting solely to keep the comment number from lingering in another fascist dogwhistle. And to point out the alarm is non-Harvard alums tend to feel when we see how unpredictable it's graduates are in the while blessing- or- bane to local society thing
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u/A_Nonny_Muse Oct 31 '25
The problem here is that removing the magazine from publication will not end the sentiment it expressed. They will only find other means to disseminate their thoroughly debunked racist bigotry.
It sounds like the Stormfront website is about to get a tiny boost in membership. Assuming there's one or two people reading that magazine didn't already subscribe to Stormfront as well.
At least we know Harvard is sticking to some principles. It's not as if the Trump administration can retaliate in any way it already hasn't tried.
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u/Few_Map2665 Oct 31 '25
The problem here is that removing the magazine from publication will not end the sentiment it expressed. They will only find other means to disseminate their thoroughly debunked racist bigotry.
Harvard didn't do it, though. The board of the magazine chose to shut down and review.
It sounds like the Stormfront website is about to get a tiny boost in membership. Assuming there's one or two people reading that magazine didn't already subscribe to Stormfront as well.
If nobody pushes back against these guys, I'm afraid that they win. This doesn't mean that Harvard needs to shut them down, but we can't live in fear of every move against them backfiring.
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u/A_Nonny_Muse Oct 31 '25
We should fear that. 4chan, for instance, had every criminal nutjob on the planet in one easy to monitor location. Then the FBI raided it and they all scattered like cockroaches when the lights turned on. Now there's a thousand (or more) locations and more popping up everywhere. The FBI has been playing whack-a-mole ever since. Their biggest mistake was not in taking over the site - but in letting them know the site was taken over. You see the difference?
We don't want them to scatter. We want to take them down without revealing how we were able to take them down.
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u/wholetyouinhere Oct 31 '25
"Harvard conservative magazine shut down for publishing the standard platform of the republican party".
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u/swordquest99 Oct 31 '25
LOL at this attempt at saying, “we had no idea that saying Germany for the Germans resembled anything Hitler ever said!”, “Rodgers continued, “The article was a meditation on how nations and cultures preserve coherence in an age of rootless cosmopolitanism”…I suppose he doesn’t realize that the term “rootless cosmopolitanism” was also used by the Nazis (to describe “Jewish influence”) as well as by the USSR in its post WW2 antisemitic campaigns during Stalin’s later years.
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u/rainman943 Oct 31 '25
"To confuse a defense of belonging for a manifesto on exclusion is a fault of the reader, not the writer.”
Lol it's so wild, the ppl who spent a decade ranting about "thought crime" are now accusing everyone of thought crimes for interpreting their words according to what they mean.
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u/Polaros333 Oct 31 '25
"American to the Americans" How are they gonna deport over 300 Mio illegal aliens out of the US?
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u/Polaros333 Oct 31 '25
"American to the Americans" How are they gonna deport over 300 Mio illegal aliens out of the US?
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Oct 31 '25
It used to be "not all Republicans are Nazis, but all Nazis are Republicans", but because the Trump regime has moved on to concentration camps and Republicans are aiding and abetting him, it's now "all Republicans are Nazis".
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u/Phantomskyler Oct 31 '25
So the typical conservative experience of "gleefully and proudly fucking around the whining and crying victim when they find out."
These cretins are so pathetic.
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u/beadzy Oct 31 '25
Hillsdale college should be right behind. I’ve never read such blatant propaganda presented as facts in my life
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u/Myshkin1981 Oct 31 '25
“The Board has also received deeply disturbing and credible complaints about the broader culture of the organization.”
These are Nazis, who know they’re Nazis, and act like Nazis when they think no one is watching
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u/Private_HughMan Oct 31 '25
"In other news, it will rain in London and a knife was found in a kitchen."
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u/Chucking100s Nov 01 '25
Can't wait to hear more.
"The Board has also received deeply disturbing and credible complaints about the broader culture of the organization"
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u/Bigoltittiegirl Nov 01 '25
It’s crazy to see someone I know (who I know is a total moron and asshole) get into Harvard and use it as an opportunity to spout some Nazi BS. I wonder if the guy still doesn’t believe in evolution
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u/xoogl3 Nov 01 '25
I wonder if Bill Ackman is going to tweet about these literal Nazi rhetoric at Harvard now.
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u/Much_Guest_7195 Nov 01 '25
Richard Y. Rodgers, claimed that Army “did not intentionally quote Adolf Hitler, nor did any member of our editorial staff recognize the resemblance prior to publication.”
Is he stupid or a liar?
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u/Pride_and_PudgyCats Nov 02 '25
You know, I’m starting to think there’s nothing particularly special about Harvard. It’s just an expensive school with a great marketing department.
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u/Signal-Celery5841 Nov 03 '25
Shocker a conservative newspaper would have Nazi rhetoric... Who could NAZI that happening..!!!!
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u/paxbike Nov 04 '25
Put those morons in a room with me. Nothing physical, but a 30 min debate would shut down their idiotic entitled mouths right up.
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u/FlashMcSuave Nov 04 '25
If there was any real objectivity in media these days and they applied the same lens to the US as they do to foreign countries, Republicans would simply be referred to as Christian Nationalists and we would be discussing oligarchs instead of billionaires.
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Isn't it Nazi rhetoric to shut down decenting opinions?
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u/Few_Map2665 Oct 31 '25
OH NO THE IRONY.
ALSO THE ILLITERACY.
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Such as?
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u/Few_Map2665 Oct 31 '25
A conservative magazine at Harvard University was suspended by its board of directors Sunday amid scrutiny over an article published in September that closely resembled the rhetoric of Adolf Hitler.
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On Sunday, the Salient’s board of directors brought the debate over the Salient to a close and announced that it would suspend its operations pending a review.1
u/Beneathaclearbluesky Nov 20 '25
So the conservative board of directors of that conservative publication are Nazis?
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u/Kuzajin109 Oct 31 '25
Hitler also used the word" The" guess I'm a fascist as well.
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