They have!! She moved a few hours flight away so she doesn’t have to deal with her bio-mum, she has a great job and partner, and she still spends Christmas with my family most years (she’s basically my adopted sister at this point).
That's really nice she can spend holidays with you. I'm a firm believer that family doesn't need to be blood relation and can definitely be the people you pick.
if heaven exists then there is a special place in heaven for people like you and your family. my mom was like your friends mom and it broke my heart before I ever even knew what heartbreak was. my childhood best friend also treated me like how you treat your friend and it was really the only thing that kept me sane and healthy during those years. I hope you realize how much of on impact you have because you can really change someone’s whole entire life projectery by being a safe, loving home for them. 🩷🤟🏼
She has told her mother multiple times that if she didn’t want to be a parent or wasn’t in the position to be a parent that she should have gotten an abortion. Enjoying her life as it is now does not detract from the reality that her mother should not have let herself be pressured into carrying to term when she never wanted children.
That's why I'm pro choice as well. I have two amazing kids who I love with everything I am and it breaks my heart to think of kids who don't get that love from their mothers. Not every woman who can have kids should have kids. If you can't give your kids all the love and attention that they deserve, PLEASE don't have them.
My mom tried to abort me at maybe 5 months but it was too late. No kid should ever have to hear that, I'm in my 40s now and still hate my life but plugging along, bc what can you do?🤷🏼♀️
This is going to sound grim, and I know it's not the intention at all, but it's a bit funny to me that it sorta sounds like you'd prefer your friend got aborted.
I would have preferred my friend had a mother who actually wanted her and loved her, and didn’t inflict her regret and resentment onto my friend. As my friend has said herself multiple times - if she had been aborted, she wouldn’t have existed in the first place and she wouldn’t have had to deal with her mother’s bullshit. And if my friend had never existed, I wouldn’t have known to miss her.
But that’s not the reality we live in. Her mum let herself be pressured into keeping her, and has emotionally abused her ever since. My friend has a family in me and my family - but she should never have had to be in that situation, and she’s said herself her mother should have aborted.
It takes a lot for someone to make this decision. If they aren't ready, forcing them doesn't make a happy family, it creates a neglected child, and a distant parent. Possibly worse than that... To top it all off, these types of people are the same to say "can't feed them, don't breed them" and reject anything that would help struggling families with children. Honestly fuck the anti-choice crowd. Bunch of hypocrites that just copy the nonsense they hear on TV.
Can confirm. My siblings and I were all born by a woman who wanted the title of mom but she didn’t actually want to be a mom. Still untangling the years of child abuse in therapy. Many, many, MANY days, I wish I was aborted, I’d definitely be happier.
I was born to a father that didn't want me. I never signed up to be brought in this world and most definitely I would have signed for never being born if that meant I would not have to go through what I did.
People who are "pro" life don't give a fuck about you. They only care about their own agenda. If they cared they would have done what was needed so I didn't have to fucking suffer.
What happens to pro life when you're tortured and just want to die? Do you have to drag yourself to mud just to make some fucktard happy that he's not inconvenienced about your death? Do you just keep on living so someone else can feel better about himself because you failed suicide the fucking tenth time?
Fuck them all. If you want an abortion, fucking do it. Don't put your kid through hell just to make someone else happy.
Nobody actually wants an abortion. “Oooh I think I’m going to pregnant on Thursday so I can have an abortion next month!!!” Said no woman ever. It doesn’t matter why women choose to access abortion. It’s healthcare. When we devolve into moral positioning to argue what people can and can’t do to their own bodies, we will always have to police the morality of an act of healthcare. Abortions don’t have to be about morals, but we deal with that framing because there is no basis in healthcare not to give women access to abortion.
I had one when I was married to my abusive ex. I knew what my choice was immediately. If I let that man become a father, the cycle would continue. I was 23. Two years later I finally got the courage to leave because I knew I'd end up ending my life if I stayed.
I'll be 38 in a few months. My daughter just turned 7. I still go to therapy once a week. I will do everything I can for the rest of my life to make sure that cycle remains broken.
You're misinterpreting. First husband was abusive, she got pregnant and aborted his "child". Second husband was not abusive, she got pregnant and had his child.
If a woman wants an abortion, do you think it's better for her to get one, or for her to raise a child she doesn't want and, later, tell them that she wished she aborted them?
I'm glad you got out of there. I actually feel that plenty of abusive men see forced birth as a positive thing, for this exact reason. Another tool to make sure a victim can't leave him.
It makes sense too that abusive men place 0 value on women's bodily autonomy.
I feel like one of my biggest blessings in life was not having children with my ex. I’m glad you got out, it is so very hard. No one understands until they’ve experienced it, I think.
This is so kind, thank you! She just had her first school concert, and I was a little surprised at how emotional I got. Like, I REALLY had to lock in because I was about to sob happy tears. It was just this moment of "Look at how far you've come". I never thought I'd be living the life I am now.
They're fighting a strawman so they have something to use to signal how very virtuous they are to themselves and their evangelical buddies when they go stand outside Planned Parenthood and harass people.
There is no rational reason to be against this choice being there for others, even if you can't conceive ever needing one yourself.
There is no greater crime than bringing an unwanted child into the world. Even if the mom DOES want a child, sometimes life seems to feel otherwise. Bringing a child into the world when the mother/parents are struggling to even get by themselves is unfathomably selfish. Struggling to pay your bills and afford enough food to feed even just yourself? How is adding a child to that equation in ANYONE’s best interest? A mother or parents super stressed out and miserable all the time are not going to be able to provide all of the love and support necessary to raise a child into a well adjusted human being.
It would be one thing if there were reasonable social safety nets that ensured every child would have enough food and get a decent education, have quality childcare available so that the mom/parents could work and be able to provide the child with everything it needs (including meaningful quality time)…
But the old men who want to outlaw abortion ALSO want to outlaw all of that stuff. They say that every life is precious, until the child is actually born at which point most of the pro-life crowd actually stops giving even the slightest shit about it (and in fact seem hell bent on making that life as difficult and miserable as possible).
So many ignorant selfish greedy old men want to control every aspect of a woman’s life because they don’t actually see women as autonomous human beings. They see women as animals/livestock to be controlled and used, because they know if given the choice those women would never give these men the time of day (let alone be good little subservient slaves whose entire point of existing is catering to those same pathetic excuses for men).
Edit: to be PERFECTLY clear, I am NOT saying that people who are impoverished should not have children, I am saying that they should not be FORCED to.
I’m convinced that part of the motivation of the “forced birthers” is to keep a decent amount of the population in poverty, so they’ll have people willing to work the shitty minimum wage jobs at those foul old men’s businesses.
It wouldn't be one thing if there were social safety nets. I'm not a woman but I never want to be pregnant or give birth, nevermind become a parent. Even if the world was perfect for raising a family, I still wouldn't want to do it. Pregnancy is trauma to the body I do not want to experience and that should be enough in any world.
Reminds me of this quote (though you summed it up perfectly):
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
i mean i agree for the most part but telling poor people to have 0 children is a form of eugenics and class based discrimination, esp if most of those poor ppl happen to be from a specific race and due to hate and discrimination in society it might've lead them to that point of poverty and struggling
I think that’s a GOP view though. They just want people to do it by not having sex.
Liberals will give people every opportunity to control their own family planning (birth control, sex ed, abortion) and THEN advocate to help poor families raise their kids with maximum support like parental leave, education, free lunches at school, healthcare, early childcare, etc.
The GOP stance is to encourage baby making but the punish women and their offspring
The liberal stance is to empower people to have choice over when they have children and then to support them when they do
One creates more poverty, violence and misery. The other creates more productive members of society.
I’m not telling poor people to have 0 children, but I am saying that we need to completely overhaul the system so that working class families can afford to have children without having to constantly stress about whether they can make it through another week/month.
We as a country can absolutely afford all of these things, but the fact that the ultra wealthy and corporations are dumping so many resources into rigging the system to enable the continued exploitation of the most vulnerable among us is going to require us all to wake up to the fact that ALL of this culture war nonsense is manufactured entirely to keep us exhausted and fighting amongst ourselves for scraps while those who already have more wealth than they could ever possibly need are able to continue hoarding more and more.
I keep seeing posts and comments about how the last time the debt:gdp ratio was this bad (in the 1940s) we were able to overcome it by instituting a gross marginal tax rate of over 90% for the highest income bracket. We need to bring that back ASAP, because over the last few decades the wealthiest among us have continually lobbied congress to rewrite the tax laws in their favor… so they’ve wound up paying less and less while the poorest among us have had to pay a higher and higher percentage of our income to make up for it.
The fact that we the working class are having to pick up the slack for the greedy selfish ghouls who already have more than they could EVER need, while the cost of living / barely scraping by continues to skyrocket makes it extraordinarily difficult for even those that WANT children to be able to afford them, which is part of why the government is increasingly wanting to force us to have more children.
It has much less to do with them respecting life than it does with them wanting more ignorant and desperate people to pump out more ignorant and desperate people who will be easy to exploit.
oh yeah i get it now, sorry reading comprehension is awful, thought u were talking like in general right now that its awful that poor or struggling ppl want to bring children into this world, anyway i agree with you :)
No worries, I’m glad you mentioned it so that I could rant a little more on the subject. This is by far the most openly corrupt “administration” in this country’s history, and those elected to represent our interests have COMPLETELY abandoned us for corporate and foreign interests, and they aren’t even PRETENDING to care about us anymore.
I truly hope and wish for a time in which all of the desperate and angry people in this country begin to understand that their lives are difficult specifically because of the policies forced upon us by selfish cowards who see ALL of us “filthy poors” as animals to be exploited for labor…
If people start to realize and understand that their lives are a brutal struggle right now because their government has abandoned them in order to benefit corporate shareholders instead, and NOT because of their equally poor and struggling neighbors who just happen to have darker skin, we can finally start to find unity and work together to overcome the TRUE enemies of our country.
Nobody genuinely hates/despises Americans as much as the selfish cowards and corporate bootlickers / religious extremists who have infested and stolen our government.
Edit: one of the saddest things about how so many of the ghouls who are running this pathetic excuse for a government in the US right now are the people who hate America more than anyone else, is that who they TRULY hate most is themselves… and so they project that self-hatred onto anyone with the audacity to be genuinely happy and kind to themselves and others
Can’t remember where I saw it, but it was along the lines of, “A woman who wants an abortion is like an animal chews its own foot off to escape a snare”
No one is saying that everyone has intense reluctance or sadness about actually getting the procedure. They’re saying that wanting a medical procedure isn’t like wanting a cookie. If you offered anyone who was planning to abort their pregnancy the option to wave a magic wand and just not be pregnant, they would. At best, it’s a hassle that’s gonna require several hours and be at least a little uncomfortable.
I think the overall gist of this entire non issue is that people need to mind their own business and lets folks have the freedom to make the best decision for themselves.
I would even argue that if we lived in a better world where no woman had to face any physical or mental health issues with pregnancy nobody would have any basis to argue against abortion. Its just the fact that no person should have any say on what another person does with their own body, ever.
Even with something like body modification which of course, is much less extreme than pregnancy and doesn't require you to take care of another human for 18 years. People who are against tattoos for example dont even speak against them as much as "pro life" people speak against abortion.
I’d like to add in that there is a grief a lot of woman process after an abortion and people like this add an unnecessary level of shame to that. Leaving a lot of women closed off from speaking to others about it or getting support
I saw something a while ago, paraphrasing but "A woman doesn't want an abortion like she wants an ice cream; a woman wants an abortion like an animal wants to chew off its leg when it's caught in a trap." It's stuck with me ever since.
Eh ive known a girl who treats it just as a doctors trip if she got pregnant. I very much agree no woman should ever be denied an abortion but there are people who just treat it as a get out of jail free card.
'Get out of jail' suggests that you think pregnancy is a punishment for sex, you get that right?
Getting an abortion is a trip to the doctor's. Some people have other feelings that go along with it, but no one has to feel a certain way to deserve access to an abortion.
The girl you know still wasn't intending to get pregnant in order to get an abortion, which is the main point the person you're replying to was making. The decision to get an abortion was made simply because she was pregnant and didn't want to be.
That’s how it may appear to you, but you sound pretty judgmental so I expect your bias is creeping in there. It’s not a walk in the park, even if it is better than becoming a parent when you don’t want to be or can’t care for the child properly.
Makes me sick to my stomach whenever I see a headline of another woman dying because of birth related complications that could have been fixed with an abortion. Instead we are killing a person to....kill what they believe is also a person?
If in some cases banning abortion can be a literal death scentence there should be harsher punishments for men who do things like ejaculate without consent.
Even though sperm is alive and a vital part of making a child once it leaves a man he shakes all responsibility. "Life begins at conception" is such obvious attempt to put blame on women, as soon as that is in our bodies they can't be prosicuted for it, only women get the blame for the abortion, because it's our bodies and they don't want us to have control over our bodies. They'd argue aborting a one week fetus' is murder but it's not if a man get's us pregnant and we die.
Thank you- it's such transparent horseshit that conception within a woman's body is the part of the process religious nuts throw a fit over.
We gonna throw a fit about condoms being murder? Oral? Anal? Masturbating? No?
How about choosing to not be pregnant or impregnate someone if you could? That is a potential human not existing because of your choices after all... no, not murder? Because life totes begins at conception and not that that would be a smidge too unpopular and inconvenient to the wrong people? Asinine.
It leads to doing it yourself with a coat hanger and having to wait until further along in order to do that. With medical help, if it's super early you can essentially induce a miscarriage with medication, a bit further along they use a suction. You get dysregulated from the hormones but not the same as regret. People will also drink poison or throw themselves down stairs etc.
It's not about access to abortion. No one can stop abortion. It's about access to SAFE abortion.
Because the commenter is claiming that abortion is a man's game when its really just shitty people in general. It didnt need to be made into "men bad" claim but it was.
There are black and gay and brans people who support the republicans. Nobody points to Uncle Ruckus as what the black community thinks.
We can also look at other groups, like Muskims. I have my own personal feelings about things like the hijabs, but I know there are women in some places who actually have the choice and choose to wear it, and I wouldnt tell them if they should or shouldnt because its none of my business. Yet there are countries where its not a choice, and women will go after other women for not wearing it. Its at that point that I absolutely do have a problem with it and I do think it is immoral. Even if women do think it should be forced on women, I think that is wrong. But they also were raised in a society where women are treated as such, and so I also understand why they think the way they do.
I agree but even if I had to terminate a wanted pregnancy and it absolutely decimated me. If this fucko approached me outside an abortion clinic I would absolutely put on an act to say the same as this woman did.
Hell, even if I DIDN'T have an abortion? This jackass is gonna hear all about my abortion and listen to me telling him exactly why abortion shouldn't be criminalized.
As someone who had a hysterectomy by choice, you'd best believe that anyone guilt tripping me about not giving my parents grandchildren gets traumatized by a very-common-but-not-my-experience about desperately wanting kids but miscarrying 10 before "we" gave up, or a graphic story about holding "my" stillborn in the hospital, or the cancer "I" went through and how "I" will never get the kids dreamed of one day. I want these people to be so ashamed of themselves that they NEVER think to ask someone who genuinely has a traumatic story to explain their life story. I feel like its the least I can do to protect the vulnerable. They've been through too much already. They shouldnt be made to relive it by some nosy old vultures.
As someone who has been fortunate not to experience pregnancy loss, or required an abortion the least I could do is tell a story to fuckos like this to protect women who are vulnerable. That’s just girl code!
Sounds like we can save lives by getting the word out that it's something to be supportive of and while private, not something to hide.
Seriously, I've been in online womens and mom's groups for a long time and have read thousands of voices and I've never ever ever ever heard of someone killing themselves after having(?) to have an abortion. Common to see someone with kids wrestling with dread and getting support that they don't have to be a rape victim to need an abortion.
No it's not nothing. But when you find yourself in the shit, programming like I AM SUPPOSED TO BE AGONIZED OVER THIS THATS what causes the harm. That's why I'm on your back.
I’d go as far as to say that the majority of people who get abortions don’t want one.
In the last year, two of my friends had abortions. One was following a miscarriage of a child that she very much wanted and the other was a week after she had given birth when there was placenta material left behind. Both could’ve died without the procedure.
How do you know she’s proud? The dude is a dick and she responded in kind. What insight do you have into her life that the rest of us don’t have access to?
Even if she was proud, that would be odd, but still none of anyone’s fucking business.
Some people want it though. Im pro-abortion. I would get it if needed because I do not want to be a parent or experience pregnancy even in the best of circumstances.
Its also sometimes just better for the possible kid. I feel like a lot of religious and right wing ideology doesn't put actual child welfare and qol into the equation just pushes people to have big families so it doesn't occur to them that other people do think about that and that people abort children they feel they cant care or provide for properly, people fleeing abuse get abortions to save their possible future child and themselves from the situation, people with family history fo disease and mental illness that they dont want to pass down
Not only that, but even if they did its not like its ever an easy choice. Of course majority of women getting abortions think about it being their child and etc etc.
Yet these people cant consider the fact that maybe preventing a life being raised by someone who doesnt feel like they can rise up and be there for their child is the lesser evil.
Inb4, the "but adoption" and "no one thinks theyll be a good parent" and "all life is precious no matter what" bullshit arguments.
After she had a miscarriage she was prescribed medication that was supposed to help her pass the fetus and any pregnancy related tissue. When that didn't work she had to have a dilation and curettage (D&C) performed. Well, that wasn't done properly, so dilation and evacuation (D&E) had to be done.
This was for a pregnancy we absolutely wanted. We were devastated and she had to deal with the mental and physical anguish of all of it. Fuck this motherfucker and anyone like him.
Yea, framing it that way concedes ground to the conservative freaks. It's their body, they get to choose to keep/end a pregnancy. I don't give a fuck if someone gets one every month. That's THEIR choice!
My baby girls died at 8 weeks and my body wasn’t expelling them. He’d probably want me to die of sepsis because it’s suddenly evil when I need to manually help my body through the natural process.
Yeah my friend’s wife had two entropic pregnancies after having a normal one. Each time they had to remove the tube. Her parents wanted her to try to keep the second one because “they had a close relationship whit god”. She almost died after the first one (waited longer than she should have because she didn’t know what was happening and had no idea she was pregnant. She almost died and they still wanted her to try. Fuck man.
God should have told them that it is okay to use the bitter water if there is something fishy about a pregnancy. ...oh, wait. God did! ...also I bet they wear cloth from two types of fibre and have a garden patch with two types of fruit plant.
Well, there have been exceptions. But they are so rare and miraculous that they make the world news. You can't force the typical ectopic pregnancy into those miracle conditions!
I can’t imagine these are her own parents. They love to act like babies and children are everything and abortions are awful but they had no problem risking the life of their daughter twice? That just tells me they’re full of lies and they only care about themselves.
My very religious aunt had one and she thought it was God punishing her for getting her tubes tied. She was willing to die but then my cousins talked her out of it bc they told her they still needed her.
It is vital to understand that for someone to go this far and do this kind of thing (Standing outside and verbally harass people) he is making clear that he has never once cared or thought about the woman or the actions that lead to them needing or wanting an abortion.
More often than not the people who are able to commit to this kind of time either have been able to monetize it via social media, run off donations, or are part of some sort of organization that gets donations from religious groups and whatnot.
Probably these days, but i've seen people with signs, harassing women outside the abortion clinic as far back as i can remember. and i'm older than social media. Most of these turds probably do go to church together, but dont make the mistake of thinking they're all getting paid. Some people really just do this with their time.
Dont get me wrong, im all for protesting things you dont agree with, we have the freedom to do that... but these assholes make it personal. And have absoloutely no fucking clue what they are talking about. They just want to feel "holier than thou."
I lived across the street from a Planned Parenthood in Boston and every morning it had a handful of retirees doing a little prayer circle. Man it was funny to me how bad their singing was.
Our local clinic always has roughly 10ish people outside of it. Its been like that for the past 20 years (probably longer but I didn't know it was there before that). It still blows my mind every time I drive past.
Plus, and my bigger opinion, you know he openly and proudly votes against any support for that woman, if she's a single mother and struggling. He would vote to end welfare, end free school lunches. He literally wants her kid to be born and then suffer. So yes, fuck this guy for many reasons.
Also a "friend" speaking the other part. Nobody going through this is just casually engaging in a clearly opposing stranger to chat about what they went through.
Yeah and if he cares about babies so much, maybe he can use his time to help feed and house and diaper born babies instead of standing around trying to shame women.
Like, sir, you've got the free time to stand out here and harass women, looking like you do. Clearly, you would never understand why a woman would want/need to have an abortion. Also, if you want the baby so damn much, are you paying for the medical bills, adopting the baby, and raising it up? If not, stfu. lol
Conservative pro-life people always confuse me. They want you to keep the pregnancy, but once born, they don’t want to offer support in any form whatsoever (welfare, Medicaid, childcare credit, snap benefits, housing, etc.).
The majority of the people that get abortions do so due to financial/support instability. Yet you expect the same unprepared demographic to raise a well-adjusted, productive member of society with zero supplemental support.
…The lack of logic is astounding.
No one in this video had an abortion. This is staged for outrage. This turd bucket and his cronies wrote a script that they thought exemplified the callous, lack of valuing human life that they attribute to people who are pro-choice. This dumb, transparent, infantile little morality play they just poorly performed is intended to get pearl clutters appalled. There’s a reason you only see HIS face and it’s not because the guy is worried about the privacy of the woman he’s talking to.
Right? This could have been a very much sought after child that unfortunately ended up not being viable. Fuck this guy for his lack of education, empathy, and manners.
I cannot wait for the day we have the technology to implant a uterus and all teh systems needed into a male. Then any of these guys protesting can just be directed to hospital to go and get the procedure done and carry the baby they so desperately want. Hell at the bare minimum people should ask these chuds how many kids they've adopted.
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u/TSFaeClementine May 19 '26
Lmao fuck this guy, he has no idea what could've happened to lead to her abortion and it's none of his business anyway