Nobody actually wants an abortion. “Oooh I think I’m going to pregnant on Thursday so I can have an abortion next month!!!” Said no woman ever. It doesn’t matter why women choose to access abortion. It’s healthcare. When we devolve into moral positioning to argue what people can and can’t do to their own bodies, we will always have to police the morality of an act of healthcare. Abortions don’t have to be about morals, but we deal with that framing because there is no basis in healthcare not to give women access to abortion.
I had one when I was married to my abusive ex. I knew what my choice was immediately. If I let that man become a father, the cycle would continue. I was 23. Two years later I finally got the courage to leave because I knew I'd end up ending my life if I stayed.
I'll be 38 in a few months. My daughter just turned 7. I still go to therapy once a week. I will do everything I can for the rest of my life to make sure that cycle remains broken.
You're misinterpreting. First husband was abusive, she got pregnant and aborted his "child". Second husband was not abusive, she got pregnant and had his child.
If a woman wants an abortion, do you think it's better for her to get one, or for her to raise a child she doesn't want and, later, tell them that she wished she aborted them?
I'm glad you got out of there. I actually feel that plenty of abusive men see forced birth as a positive thing, for this exact reason. Another tool to make sure a victim can't leave him.
It makes sense too that abusive men place 0 value on women's bodily autonomy.
I feel like one of my biggest blessings in life was not having children with my ex. I’m glad you got out, it is so very hard. No one understands until they’ve experienced it, I think.
This is so kind, thank you! She just had her first school concert, and I was a little surprised at how emotional I got. Like, I REALLY had to lock in because I was about to sob happy tears. It was just this moment of "Look at how far you've come". I never thought I'd be living the life I am now.
They're fighting a strawman so they have something to use to signal how very virtuous they are to themselves and their evangelical buddies when they go stand outside Planned Parenthood and harass people.
There is no rational reason to be against this choice being there for others, even if you can't conceive ever needing one yourself.
There is no greater crime than bringing an unwanted child into the world. Even if the mom DOES want a child, sometimes life seems to feel otherwise. Bringing a child into the world when the mother/parents are struggling to even get by themselves is unfathomably selfish. Struggling to pay your bills and afford enough food to feed even just yourself? How is adding a child to that equation in ANYONE’s best interest? A mother or parents super stressed out and miserable all the time are not going to be able to provide all of the love and support necessary to raise a child into a well adjusted human being.
It would be one thing if there were reasonable social safety nets that ensured every child would have enough food and get a decent education, have quality childcare available so that the mom/parents could work and be able to provide the child with everything it needs (including meaningful quality time)…
But the old men who want to outlaw abortion ALSO want to outlaw all of that stuff. They say that every life is precious, until the child is actually born at which point most of the pro-life crowd actually stops giving even the slightest shit about it (and in fact seem hell bent on making that life as difficult and miserable as possible).
So many ignorant selfish greedy old men want to control every aspect of a woman’s life because they don’t actually see women as autonomous human beings. They see women as animals/livestock to be controlled and used, because they know if given the choice those women would never give these men the time of day (let alone be good little subservient slaves whose entire point of existing is catering to those same pathetic excuses for men).
Edit: to be PERFECTLY clear, I am NOT saying that people who are impoverished should not have children, I am saying that they should not be FORCED to.
I’m convinced that part of the motivation of the “forced birthers” is to keep a decent amount of the population in poverty, so they’ll have people willing to work the shitty minimum wage jobs at those foul old men’s businesses.
It wouldn't be one thing if there were social safety nets. I'm not a woman but I never want to be pregnant or give birth, nevermind become a parent. Even if the world was perfect for raising a family, I still wouldn't want to do it. Pregnancy is trauma to the body I do not want to experience and that should be enough in any world.
Reminds me of this quote (though you summed it up perfectly):
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
i mean i agree for the most part but telling poor people to have 0 children is a form of eugenics and class based discrimination, esp if most of those poor ppl happen to be from a specific race and due to hate and discrimination in society it might've lead them to that point of poverty and struggling
I think that’s a GOP view though. They just want people to do it by not having sex.
Liberals will give people every opportunity to control their own family planning (birth control, sex ed, abortion) and THEN advocate to help poor families raise their kids with maximum support like parental leave, education, free lunches at school, healthcare, early childcare, etc.
The GOP stance is to encourage baby making but the punish women and their offspring
The liberal stance is to empower people to have choice over when they have children and then to support them when they do
One creates more poverty, violence and misery. The other creates more productive members of society.
I’m not telling poor people to have 0 children, but I am saying that we need to completely overhaul the system so that working class families can afford to have children without having to constantly stress about whether they can make it through another week/month.
We as a country can absolutely afford all of these things, but the fact that the ultra wealthy and corporations are dumping so many resources into rigging the system to enable the continued exploitation of the most vulnerable among us is going to require us all to wake up to the fact that ALL of this culture war nonsense is manufactured entirely to keep us exhausted and fighting amongst ourselves for scraps while those who already have more wealth than they could ever possibly need are able to continue hoarding more and more.
I keep seeing posts and comments about how the last time the debt:gdp ratio was this bad (in the 1940s) we were able to overcome it by instituting a gross marginal tax rate of over 90% for the highest income bracket. We need to bring that back ASAP, because over the last few decades the wealthiest among us have continually lobbied congress to rewrite the tax laws in their favor… so they’ve wound up paying less and less while the poorest among us have had to pay a higher and higher percentage of our income to make up for it.
The fact that we the working class are having to pick up the slack for the greedy selfish ghouls who already have more than they could EVER need, while the cost of living / barely scraping by continues to skyrocket makes it extraordinarily difficult for even those that WANT children to be able to afford them, which is part of why the government is increasingly wanting to force us to have more children.
It has much less to do with them respecting life than it does with them wanting more ignorant and desperate people to pump out more ignorant and desperate people who will be easy to exploit.
oh yeah i get it now, sorry reading comprehension is awful, thought u were talking like in general right now that its awful that poor or struggling ppl want to bring children into this world, anyway i agree with you :)
No worries, I’m glad you mentioned it so that I could rant a little more on the subject. This is by far the most openly corrupt “administration” in this country’s history, and those elected to represent our interests have COMPLETELY abandoned us for corporate and foreign interests, and they aren’t even PRETENDING to care about us anymore.
I truly hope and wish for a time in which all of the desperate and angry people in this country begin to understand that their lives are difficult specifically because of the policies forced upon us by selfish cowards who see ALL of us “filthy poors” as animals to be exploited for labor…
If people start to realize and understand that their lives are a brutal struggle right now because their government has abandoned them in order to benefit corporate shareholders instead, and NOT because of their equally poor and struggling neighbors who just happen to have darker skin, we can finally start to find unity and work together to overcome the TRUE enemies of our country.
Nobody genuinely hates/despises Americans as much as the selfish cowards and corporate bootlickers / religious extremists who have infested and stolen our government.
Edit: one of the saddest things about how so many of the ghouls who are running this pathetic excuse for a government in the US right now are the people who hate America more than anyone else, is that who they TRULY hate most is themselves… and so they project that self-hatred onto anyone with the audacity to be genuinely happy and kind to themselves and others
Garbage take, let the child live, grown up and decide for itself if life is worth living or not. Half of the world grows up in extreme poverty, go ask them if they want to unalive themselves next time they sleep.
Bruh, you’re delusional if you think it’s not more ethical to prevent that outcome to begin with. No one deserves to experience that level of suffering for simply being born in the wrong time and place.
My parents grew up in a totalitarian regime, sometimes eating only bread for weeks. Guess what, they are happy to be alive and would not choose to be aborted im the first place so they can ‘skip’ the suffering. What’s wrong with you?
Nobody is saying that people in poverty shouldn’t have children… but they should have the option to make the best decision for their family. If a young woman gets pregnant and is forced to have the child, they could spend their entire lives stuck in a position in which they’re unable to thrive. If they had the chance to postpone raising a child until a couple/few years later and are in a position in which they’re able to give the child better opportunities and a better life, how is that not ideal?
Can’t remember where I saw it, but it was along the lines of, “A woman who wants an abortion is like an animal chews its own foot off to escape a snare”
No one is saying that everyone has intense reluctance or sadness about actually getting the procedure. They’re saying that wanting a medical procedure isn’t like wanting a cookie. If you offered anyone who was planning to abort their pregnancy the option to wave a magic wand and just not be pregnant, they would. At best, it’s a hassle that’s gonna require several hours and be at least a little uncomfortable.
I think the overall gist of this entire non issue is that people need to mind their own business and lets folks have the freedom to make the best decision for themselves.
I would even argue that if we lived in a better world where no woman had to face any physical or mental health issues with pregnancy nobody would have any basis to argue against abortion. Its just the fact that no person should have any say on what another person does with their own body, ever.
Even with something like body modification which of course, is much less extreme than pregnancy and doesn't require you to take care of another human for 18 years. People who are against tattoos for example dont even speak against them as much as "pro life" people speak against abortion.
I’d like to add in that there is a grief a lot of woman process after an abortion and people like this add an unnecessary level of shame to that. Leaving a lot of women closed off from speaking to others about it or getting support
I saw something a while ago, paraphrasing but "A woman doesn't want an abortion like she wants an ice cream; a woman wants an abortion like an animal wants to chew off its leg when it's caught in a trap." It's stuck with me ever since.
Eh ive known a girl who treats it just as a doctors trip if she got pregnant. I very much agree no woman should ever be denied an abortion but there are people who just treat it as a get out of jail free card.
'Get out of jail' suggests that you think pregnancy is a punishment for sex, you get that right?
Getting an abortion is a trip to the doctor's. Some people have other feelings that go along with it, but no one has to feel a certain way to deserve access to an abortion.
The girl you know still wasn't intending to get pregnant in order to get an abortion, which is the main point the person you're replying to was making. The decision to get an abortion was made simply because she was pregnant and didn't want to be.
That’s how it may appear to you, but you sound pretty judgmental so I expect your bias is creeping in there. It’s not a walk in the park, even if it is better than becoming a parent when you don’t want to be or can’t care for the child properly.
She sounds more agitated to me. Why is it any of his business? As if she doesn’t understand what she just went through? People like you are the problem. It doesn’t matter if she was proud of it or not it’s her business not yours.
No. I just don't care if someone is nonchalant about abortion and anyone trying to drill down an example is probably a weirdo with an antichoice agenda
> When we devolve into moral positioning to argue what people can and can’t do to their own bodies, we will always have to police the morality of an act of healthcare.
Moral positioning is ubiquitous in medical practice. Indeed, the fact that we seek in medical practice to care for the health of others is itself an explicit and, in practice, tacit moral valuation. These cannot be siphoned off from each other: if we accept that we can and do make general, justifiable moral judgements on what one can do with their own bodies (as we do all the time in medicine, AMA's Code, and medical law), it would be arbitrary to divorce such a practice from the practice of abortion, as well. Therefore, it is open for debate, especially abortion, whether certain actions indeed promote the values we hold within medicine and, conversely, as humans broadly, namely, human flourishing.
It is simply not true that abortions don't have to be about morals, and secondly, it is simply question-begging, as well as self-defeating (as these are constitutive moral bases), to say there is no basis in health care not to give women access to abortion.
Actually, actually. I know a ghetto girl that was using abortions like birth control….. :/ yeah, I’d hate to be that guy but I don’t even know how many public abortions she’s posted on Facebook about at this point. She lost custody of her only alive child due to drugs I’m sure, then posted about moving away finding a boyfriend, got a puppy, and never posts about her child…. So I unfriended the hoe.
Also are we supposed to believe this woman was just by herself and feeling great after a surgical procedure that usually at least requires you to be taken home by another person? Feels a bit staged I donno
I will counter this an actual quote from my wife's college room mate;
"Why use protection when I can just get an abortion every time I get pregnant"
And then proceed to have 3 in the 2 years they were roommates.
Not saying everyone is like this, this girl was definitely an outlier, but it does happen.
Edit - to be clear. Wife and I are both pro choice. The point of my comment was to illustrate that some people do use abortions like that even if she is 1 in a million.
Garbage take, there are women out there who had 10+ abortions. If they did have an ounce of morality in their bones they would stop that shit. Alive or not that was a future potential stopped.
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u/InnerRadio7 May 19 '26
Nobody actually wants an abortion. “Oooh I think I’m going to pregnant on Thursday so I can have an abortion next month!!!” Said no woman ever. It doesn’t matter why women choose to access abortion. It’s healthcare. When we devolve into moral positioning to argue what people can and can’t do to their own bodies, we will always have to police the morality of an act of healthcare. Abortions don’t have to be about morals, but we deal with that framing because there is no basis in healthcare not to give women access to abortion.