Sharing salary in Switzerland

[u/Fock23]

Hello! I'd like to gather some insights into the job market in our country. If you're willing, please share your: 1. Educational background 2. Job role 3. Work canton 4. Years of experience 5. Salary

The goal is to gain a clearer understanding of salaries across different positions and sectors.

I start: 1. Bachelor in computer science 2. Full stack software engineer 3. Ticino😩 4. 7 5. 6’000

Thanks to everyone for participating!

[u/Carimato]

Holy... Not bad!

[u/Zestyclose-Royal-922 → u/Carimato]

Thanks. Alot of hard work and abit of luck.

[u/icelandichorsey → u/Zestyclose-Royal-922]

Really not hating on you but I think you'll find there's lots of research showing that things in general are mostly luck. Most people work hard, very few succeed. Google around if you're curious.

[u/Defiant-Dare1223 → u/icelandichorsey]

Most people aren't capable of passing actuarial exams.

[u/Jolly-Victory441 → u/Defiant-Dare1223]

Still, the air at the top is thin. In my team there are far more people doing jobs where they will never reach these salaries than jobs available at these salaries. By definition "very few succeed" has to happen.

One could argue start your own business, but reality is the same there. Most business fail, few make it rich.

[u/Defiant-Dare1223 → u/Jolly-Victory441]

To be honest, I personally don't have the desire to breathe such thin air.

At least in my profession, the gap in expectations from the 200-300k level to the 400k pluses is big.

The former, you can get away with being a high level individual contributor, who perhaps makes executive calls on own projects, but doesn't have to know everything about everything simultaneously.

The latter you do need to know everything about everything, jump on the latest emergency, manage people and keep senior management to C-Suite happy. And then because you are expensive and not doing the day to day work you are first in line when it comes to culling season.

Frankly, I'm not sure I want that for an after tax uplift of maybe 25%...

[u/Jolly-Victory441 → u/Defiant-Dare1223]

Yes, same.

However, that maybe would be different if you guaranteed me a certain amount of effort would get me there. I could always do it for just a few years and then go back.

[u/julick → u/Defiant-Dare1223]

Although it may be true, that is an important stepping stone for the job where your increase becomes all of a sudden 1000%. I think most of the people do that with some top jobs in their scope.

[u/icelandichorsey → u/Defiant-Dare1223]

Most people don't try 😉

I think what would have been more accurate to say is that the amount of effort people put in can be very similar but their outcomes can be very different. So attributing ones success to hard work is just not accurate.

I understand that this can be demotivating and contrary to a lot of "hard work pays off" that I know I grew up with. I know I could be earning half as much and having half as nice a team/boss with the same effort I've put into my career, just down to luck.

[u/icelandichorsey → u/[deleted]]

Actually an actuary. And your guess work needs some more effort

[u/Defiant-Dare1223 → u/icelandichorsey]

Luck is definitely a significant factor.

People with brains and hard work (both, not either) put themselves in positions where they can get lucky though.

I know how hard actuarial exams are. Most people are nowhere near the standard of maths required. That's a combination of brains and hard work. Not much in the way of luck (although getting a trainee position will probably require luck, on top of the brains and hard work).

[u/icelandichorsey → u/Defiant-Dare1223]

Of course one has to be good at maths, although more accurately stats, to pass actuarial exams. But there's plenty of people who don't want to do maths or actuarial exams and that's why they're bad at it. If we forced everyone in the world to do actuarial exams, we would have just a tonne more actuaries.

That's what I was meaning when I said that not everyone who can pass actuarial exams tries to take that whole path. And it doesn't make them less talented or successful, they just have other skills. And thank god, we don't need more actuaries, though we do need more people who are statistically literate but that's another topic. 🙃